---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/11/12: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:09 AM - Re: Greasers. (stratobee) 2. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Greasers. (cybersuperstore) 3. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Greasers. (Tylor Hall) 4. 11:48 PM - Re: Re: Greasers. (cybersuperstore) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:34 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. From: "stratobee" I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the next. What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:59 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. Depending on one's style, one can hold the flare until a high deck angle is achieved making the touch-down speed real low, thus saving on tires and brakes. A few inches above the runway is about the only place where one would want to be in this configuration. After a bit of practice it is possible to transition into this configuration in one fluid motion, land on the numbers, hold the nose off the ground for a while and roll to the first exit without applying brakes. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the next. What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. From: Tylor Hall When I lived in Kansas City, I would watch the A/C from Central Air land back at Downtown airport on the mains and hold the nose wheel off for over 500' down the runway until it had to come down. They seem to do it to show off a little. Two or three aircraft would land and each was trying to keep the nose wheel off longer that the one before him. These were 500B's and these were flown 5-6 days a week hauling boxes all over the midwest. Tylor Hall On Mar 11, 2012, at 6:27 PM, cybersuperstore wrote: > > Depending on one's style, one can hold the flare until a high deck angle is > achieved making the touch-down speed real low, thus saving on tires and > brakes. A few inches above the runway is about the only place where one > would want to be in this configuration. > After a bit of practice it is possible to transition into this configuration > in one fluid motion, land on the numbers, hold the nose off the ground for a > while and roll to the first exit without applying brakes. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:09 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. > > > I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting > it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the > next. > > What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. > Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:59 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. I suppose this technique would not work on a T-Tail plane, because I would imagine that the propwash is crucial in keeping the nose wheel off the tarmac. Incidentally, power in the flare is required for a STOL-equipped Cessna 210 (perhaps other models, too; it's that I have some hours in one), which are landed below a regular 210's stalling speed, because once the propwash is removed from the tail, it stalls immediately slamming the nose wheel into the ground, damaging the firewall, because the nose strut is mounted on the firewall. I believe in extreme cases (like cutting power too high off the runway) it would result in a prop-strike, too. I like the power on ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. When I lived in Kansas City, I would watch the A/C from Central Air land back at Downtown airport on the mains and hold the nose wheel off for over 500' down the runway until it had to come down. They seem to do it to show off a little. Two or three aircraft would land and each was trying to keep the nose wheel off longer that the one before him. These were 500B's and these were flown 5-6 days a week hauling boxes all over the midwest. Tylor Hall On Mar 11, 2012, at 6:27 PM, cybersuperstore wrote: > > Depending on one's style, one can hold the flare until a high deck angle is > achieved making the touch-down speed real low, thus saving on tires and > brakes. A few inches above the runway is about the only place where one > would want to be in this configuration. > After a bit of practice it is possible to transition into this configuration > in one fluid motion, land on the numbers, hold the nose off the ground for a > while and roll to the first exit without applying brakes. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:09 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. > > > I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting > it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the > next. > > What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. > Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.