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1. 08:58 AM - 680FP (Zac Armstrong)
2. 10:14 AM - Re: 680FP (Kerry Johnson)
3. 10:24 AM - Re: 680FP (stratobee)
4. 10:33 AM - Re: 680FP (Moe Mills)
5. 11:29 AM - Re: 680FP (BillLeff1@aol.com)
6. 08:02 PM - Re: 680FP (cybersuperstore)
7. 08:08 PM - Re: 680FP (cybersuperstore)
8. 08:48 PM - Re: 680FP (Moe Mills)
9. 11:18 PM - Re: 680FP (cybersuperstore)
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Hello All.
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is l
ooking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas=2C LA=2C and O
K. In thinking outside of the box=2C I was looking at the FP models of the
Aero Commander in lieu of the usual 421=2C 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X=2C which can be foun
d online: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Comm
ander/680FP/987942.html
I know=2C especially with Aero Commanders=2C that getting into a complex=2C
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance=2C esp
ecially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said=2C
outside of this specific aircraft=2C what kind of speeds can be expected=2C
fuel burns=2C etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight
500 series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely=2C
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bonda
ge to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage to
liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B f
rom selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apathy
to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exc
eption to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not r
emember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Sa
ntayana.
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I've never owned a Twin Commander, so I can't say how they compare, but I've
owned and flown a Beech B60 Duke a 59P Baron and a few 601P and 700
Aerostars. The pressurization system required minimal maintenance and those
planes all have pretty well tested power plants, so I didn't see anything
out of the ordinary in the way of expensive maintenance. The Duke and 58P
Baron had similar speed and climb profiles; you could expect to climb at
1000 - 1500 FPM to FL200 and then from there up much less climb. Cruise
speeds were in the 200-225 knot TAS range; the Duke burned around 50 gph,
the 58P 32-36 gph.
The Aerostar is a whole other animal; much much faster, with cruise speeds
ranging from 220-260 knots TAS, fuel burn from 32-40 gph. The Aerostar is a
much more efficient aircraft at any altitude and really blows the Beech
planes into the weeds during climb and descent with a redline of over 200
knots indicated and climbing at 1500-2000 fpm @ 150 - 160 knots indicated.
I like the Aerostar best and I like an intercooled 601P better than a 700.
The 700 is faster, but it burns a lot more fuel and has no more range.
Also; Ted Smith designed and built the Aerostar, so I consider it as a part
of the same family as the Twin Commander.
Anyway, that's my experience; hope it helps.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zac
Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
Hello All.
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is
looking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas, LA, and OK.
In thinking outside of the box, I was looking at the FP models of the Aero
Commander in lieu of the usual 421, 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X, which can be found
online:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Commander/680FP
/987942.html
I know, especially with Aero Commanders, that getting into a complex,
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance,
especially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said,
outside of this specific aircraft, what kind of speeds can be expected, fuel
burns, etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight 500
series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely,
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from
bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from
selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to
dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception
to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the
past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George
Santayana.
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/images/null.gif>
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Force - Yellow Rose - B-25 SQDN.
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Moe Mills who owns one will prob come along soon and answer what you need to know.
However, I can tell you that the FP uses a hydraulic driven pressurization
system that can be a little harder to get parts for. The IGSO-engines are also
quite highly strung and will prob need some top end work before they reach TBO.
Lovely plane and I've been keeping an eye on them myself...
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Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378650#378650
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Hi Zac=2C Regarding your post=2C I have been flying a 680F(p) for several y
ears (about 1=2C000 hours) and would be happy to discuss things with you. (
310) 350-4594 EVERYONE ELSE ON COMMANDER-LIST=2C If you received a bogus e
mail from me yesterday please excuse it. I was SPAMMED and it wen to every
one in my laptop. Moe MillsN680RR680F(p)
From: transam403@hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
Hello All.
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is l
ooking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas=2C LA=2C and O
K. In thinking outside of the box=2C I was looking at the FP models of the
Aero Commander in lieu of the usual 421=2C 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X=2C which can be foun
d online: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Comm
ander/680FP/987942.html
I know=2C especially with Aero Commanders=2C that getting into a complex=2C
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance=2C esp
ecially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said=2C
outside of this specific aircraft=2C what kind of speeds can be expected=2C
fuel burns=2C etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight
500 series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely=2C
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bonda
ge to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage to
liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B f
rom selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apathy
to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exc
eption to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not r
emember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Sa
ntayana.
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I have known 72X for more than 15 years. If you have any questions call me
at 937-369-3334 later tonight
It is a good one
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid
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From: Zac Armstrong <transam403@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 15:58:43 GMT+00:00
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
Hello All.
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is
looking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas, LA, and OK.
In thinking outside of the box, I was looking at the FP models of the Aero
Commander in lieu of the usual 421, 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X, which can be found
online:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Commander/680FP/
987942.html
I know, especially with Aero Commanders, that getting into a complex,
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance,
especially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said,
outside of this specific aircraft, what kind of speeds can be expected, fuel
burns, etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight 500
series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely,
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from
bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from
selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to
dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception
to history, then we
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Hi Kerry,
That's what I suspected about the Aerostars. Didn't know the 601P was a more
efficient configuration than the 700. Ted knew how to put the forces of
nature together minimum conflict.
Thanks for the response. We would like to have a story of your flights for
our facebook page, if you don't mind.
Go to www.facebook.com/commanderflight and LIKE the site. No signup
required.
Thanks,
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP
I've never owned a Twin Commander, so I can't say how they compare, but I've
owned and flown a Beech B60 Duke a 59P Baron and a few 601P and 700
Aerostars. The pressurization system required minimal maintenance and those
planes all have pretty well tested power plants, so I didn't see anything
out of the ordinary in the way of expensive maintenance. The Duke and 58P
Baron had similar speed and climb profiles; you could expect to climb at
1000 - 1500 FPM to FL200 and then from there up much less climb. Cruise
speeds were in the 200-225 knot TAS range; the Duke burned around 50 gph,
the 58P 32-36 gph.
The Aerostar is a whole other animal; much much faster, with cruise speeds
ranging from 220-260 knots TAS, fuel burn from 32-40 gph. The Aerostar is a
much more efficient aircraft at any altitude and really blows the Beech
planes into the weeds during climb and descent with a redline of over 200
knots indicated and climbing at 1500-2000 fpm @ 150 - 160 knots indicated.
I like the Aerostar best and I like an intercooled 601P better than a 700.
The 700 is faster, but it burns a lot more fuel and has no more range.
Also; Ted Smith designed and built the Aerostar, so I consider it as a part
of the same family as the Twin Commander.
Anyway, that's my experience; hope it helps.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zac
Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
Hello All.
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is
looking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas, LA, and OK.
In thinking outside of the box, I was looking at the FP models of the Aero
Commander in lieu of the usual 421, 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X, which can be found
online:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Commander/680FP
/987942.html
I know, especially with Aero Commanders, that getting into a complex,
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance,
especially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said,
outside of this specific aircraft, what kind of speeds can be expected, fuel
burns, etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight 500
series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely,
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from
bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from
selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to
dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception
to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the
past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George
Santayana.
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/images/null.gif>
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/membership/default.asp> Commemorative Air
Force - Yellow Rose - B-25 SQDN.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Hi Moe,
Would you write some stories for the Commander facebook page? It would be
such a blast to publish some of the memories of flights of other pilots.
I noticed that as I publish something, the visit-rate spikes, so it is about
content, content, content.
The Commander facebook page is at www.facebook.com/commanderflight and when
you are in, just LIKE the page and write or paste your story.
Thanks,
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP
Hi Zac,
Regarding your post, I have been flying a 680F(p) for several years (about
1,000 hours) and would be happy to discuss things with you. (310) 350-4594
EVERYONE ELSE ON COMMANDER-LIST, If you received a bogus email from me
yesterday please excuse it. I was SPAMMED and it wen to everyone in my
laptop.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
_____
From: transam403@hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
Hello All.
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is
looking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas, LA, and OK.
In thinking outside of the box, I was looking at the FP models of the Aero
Commander in lieu of the usual 421, 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X, which can be found
online:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Commander/680FP
/987942.html
I know, especially with Aero Commanders, that getting into a complex,
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance,
especially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said,
outside of this specific aircraft, what kind of speeds can be expected, fuel
burns, etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight 500
series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely,
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from
bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from
selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to
dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception
to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the
past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George
Santayana.
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/images/null.gif>
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/membership/default.asp> Commemorative Air
Force - Yellow Rose - B-25 SQDN.
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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Hi Nico=2C I will try to put something together and post it=2C even though
I don't really have any horror stories to speak of. Regards=2C Moe
From: nico@cybersuperstore.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP
Hi Moe=2CWould you write some stories for the Commander facebook page? It w
ould be such a blast to publish some of the memories of flights of other pi
lots. I noticed that as I publish something=2C the visit-rate spikes=2C so
it is about content=2C content=2C content. The Commander facebook page is a
t www.facebook.com/commanderflight and when you are in=2C just LIKE the pag
e and write or paste your story. Thanks=2CNico From: owner-commander-list-
server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Wednesday=2C July 18=2C 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Hi Zac=2C
Regarding your post=2C I have been flying a 680F(p) for several years (abou
t 1=2C000 hours) and would be happy to discuss things with you. (310) 350-4
594
EVERYONE ELSE ON COMMANDER-LIST=2C If you received a bogus email from me y
esterday please excuse it. I was SPAMMED and it wen to everyone in my lapt
op.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: transam403@hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is l
ooking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas=2C LA=2C and O
K. In thinking outside of the box=2C I was looking at the FP models of the
Aero Commander in lieu of the usual 421=2C 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X=2C which can be foun
d online: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Comm
ander/680FP/987942.html
I know=2C especially with Aero Commanders=2C that getting into a complex=2C
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance=2C esp
ecially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said=2C
outside of this specific aircraft=2C what kind of speeds can be expected=2C
fuel burns=2C etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight
500 series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely=2C
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bond
age to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage t
o liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B
from selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apath
y to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the ex
ception to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not
remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -Based on statements/excepts
from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Santayana. st" target="_
blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matro
nics.com="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.mat
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Thanks, Moe. No need for horror stories, folks enjoy nicely written regular
flights, too.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP
Hi Nico,
I will try to put something together and post it, even though I don't really
have any horror stories to speak of.
Regards,
Moe
_____
From: nico@cybersuperstore.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP
Hi Moe,
Would you write some stories for the Commander facebook page? It would be
such a blast to publish some of the memories of flights of other pilots.
I noticed that as I publish something, the visit-rate spikes, so it is about
content, content, content.
The Commander facebook page is at www.facebook.com/commanderflight and when
you are in, just LIKE the page and write or paste your story.
Thanks,
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP
Hi Zac,
Regarding your post, I have been flying a 680F(p) for several years (about
1,000 hours) and would be happy to discuss things with you. (310) 350-4594
EVERYONE ELSE ON COMMANDER-LIST, If you received a bogus email from me
yesterday please excuse it. I was SPAMMED and it wen to everyone in my
laptop.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
_____
From: transam403@hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
Hello All.
I hope everyone is doing well these days. I have a client of mine who is
looking for a pressurized aircraft to make trips around Texas, LA, and OK.
In thinking outside of the box, I was looking at the FP models of the Aero
Commander in lieu of the usual 421, 414 etc.
I was wondering if anyone has any history about N6272X, which can be found
online:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Multi+Engine+Piston/1962/Commander/680FP
/987942.html
I know, especially with Aero Commanders, that getting into a complex,
pressurized bird such as this can eat anyone's lunch on maintenance,
especially if it hasn't been flown or taken care of. With that being said,
outside of this specific aircraft, what kind of speeds can be expected, fuel
burns, etc from these birds as I am only familiar with the straight 500
series aircraft.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Sincerely,
Zac Armstrong
936-577-1117
Allegiance Aviation Services
www.allegianceaviation.com
zac@allegianceaviation.com
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from
bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from
selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to
dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception
to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the
past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George
Santayana.
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/images/null.gif>
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/membership/default.asp> Commemorative Air
Force - Yellow Rose - B-25 SQDN.
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