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1. 07:16 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Tom Fisher)
2. 07:38 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (White_rhino_ps)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs)
4. 09:23 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Tom Fisher)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs)
6. 10:49 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Don Falik)
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8. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Tylor Hall)
9. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs)
10. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs)
11. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs)
12. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Nico CSS)
13. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Moe Mills)
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Subject: | Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps |
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander
drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this
is not a forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
To: commander-list@matronics.com=
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball
Caps
Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today
You = will be helping make the documentary film
58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking
Free = Shipping in US/CAN
at
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
615-474-0590
Skype: = Downs58November
www.58November.com
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Subject: | Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps |
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander kno
wledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
=46rom my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> wro
te:
> Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussi
ons about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until no
w.
> This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander dri
vers.
> If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
> Tom
> (500B)
> (680FLP (Mr.RPM))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andy@58November.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> Tom,
>
> Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts
.
>
> Andy Downs
> 615-474-0590
> Andy Downs
> 615-474-0590
> www.58November.com
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is no
t a forum that likes postings such as this.
> Tom
> (500B)
> (680FLP (Mr. RPM))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andy downs
> To: commander-list@matronics.com=
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today
> You = will be helping make the documentary film
> 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking
>
> Free = Shipping in US/CAN
> at
> http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
>
> Andy Downs
> 58 November
> 1756 Cozumel = Ct
> Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
> USA
> 615-474-0590
> Skype: = Downs58November
> www.58November.com
>
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Subject: | Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps |
Tom and Craig,
First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my
posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of
the
Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one
of
your members.
Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this
project or not.
This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had
legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you
will
all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will
want to
help in some way.
I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I
have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note
with
anyone.
My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me
and
my family would be truly grateful.
I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the
gesture.
Thanks,
Andy Downs
1756 Cozumel Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37127
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander
knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
>From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
wrote:
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site
until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander
drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com
_____
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is
not a
forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today
You = will be helping make the documentary film
58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking
Free = Shipping in US/CAN
at
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
615-474-0590
Skype: = Downs58November
www.58November.com
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Subject: | Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps |
Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further
informed in my knowledge of Commanders.
I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding
authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours,
it is just the ad I did not like.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom and Craig,
First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history
of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site
by one of your members.
Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this project or not.
This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It
had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope
you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you
will want to help in some way.
I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a
bad note with anyone.
My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way
me and my family would be truly grateful.
I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the gesture.
Thanks,
Andy Downs
1756 Cozumel Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37127
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing
Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> wrote:
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow
Commander drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be,
this is not a forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
To: commander-list@matronics.com=
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot
Ball Caps
Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today
You = will be helping make the documentary film
58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking
Free = Shipping in US/CAN
at
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
615-474-0590
Skype: = Downs58November
www.58November.com
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Subject: | Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps |
Tom & the Commander Group,
I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link
http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on
ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again.
I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November
project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This
is
no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No
Buck
Rogers"
This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI
agents
in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the
actual
ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words.
You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs
If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I
would
love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the
Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for
future A&P's
If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns
and
your support
Thanks,
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further
informed in my knowledge of Commanders.
I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding
authorities so
I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the
ad I
did not like.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs <mailto:andy@58November.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom and Craig,
First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my
posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of
the
Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one
of
your members.
Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this
project or not.
This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had
legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you
will
all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will
want to
help in some way.
I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I
have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note
with
anyone.
My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me
and
my family would be truly grateful.
I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the
gesture.
Thanks,
Andy Downs
1756 Cozumel Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37127
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander
knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
>From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
wrote:
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site
until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander
drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com
_____
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is
not a
forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today
You = will be helping make the documentary film
58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking
Free = Shipping in US/CAN
at
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
615-474-0590
Skype: = Downs58November
www.58November.com
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No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
03/28/13
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I agree with Tom...no sales!
Don(ex 500S)
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:18 PM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> wro
te:
> Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussi
ons about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until no
w.
> This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander dri
vers.
> If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
> Tom
> (500B)
> (680FLP (Mr.RPM))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andy@58November.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> Tom,
>
> Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts
.
>
> Andy Downs
> 615-474-0590
> Andy Downs
> 615-474-0590
> www.58November.com
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is no
t a forum that likes postings such as this.
> Tom
> (500B)
> (680FLP (Mr. RPM))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andy downs
> To: commander-list@matronics.com=
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today
> You = will be helping make the documentary film
> 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking
>
> Free = Shipping in US/CAN
> at
> http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
>
> Andy Downs
> 58 November
> 1756 Cozumel = Ct
> Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
> USA
> 615-474-0590
> Skype: = Downs58November
> www.58November.com
>
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball |
Caps
Andy,
I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and
looking at the Hat you have.
You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with
the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.
You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more
like the 690 Turbo Props.
They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo?
How soon can we expect to see the Movie?
Tylor Hall
On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:
> Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list
support you. Good luck. Jd
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "andy downs" <andy@58November.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
> Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am
>
>
> Tom & the Commander Group,
>
> I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link
http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on
ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again.
>
> I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58
November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in
life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff,
"No Bucks, No Buck Rogers"
>
> This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI
agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are
the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words.
> You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the
screen
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs
>
> If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I
would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now
in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance
plane for future A&P's
>
> If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your
concerns and your support
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Downs
> 615-474-0590
> Andy@58November.com
> http://58November.com
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was
further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.
> I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding
authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours,
it is just the ad I did not like.
> Tom
> (500B)
> (680FLP (Mr.RPM))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andy downs
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> Tom and Craig,
>
> First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history
of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site
by one of your members.
>
> Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
>
> Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this project or not.
>
> This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It
had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope
you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you
will want to help in some way.
>
> I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a
bad note with anyone.
>
> My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way
me and my family would be truly grateful.
> I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
>
> I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the gesture.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Downs
> 1756 Cozumel Court
> Murfreesboro, TN 37127
> 615-474-0590
> Andy@58November.com
> http://58November.com
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>
> I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing
Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Craig
>
> =46rom my iPhone 5!
>
> On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> wrote:
>
>> Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site until now.
>> This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow
Commander drivers.
>> If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
>> Tom
>> (500B)
>> (680FLP (Mr.RPM))
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: andy@58November.com
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
>>
>> Andy Downs
>> 615-474-0590
>> Andy Downs
>> 615-474-0590
>> www.58November.com
>> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>> Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700
>> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>> ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
>>
>> In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this
is not a forum that likes postings such as this.
>> Tom
>> (500B)
>> (680FLP (Mr. RPM))
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: andy downs
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com=
>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball
Caps
>>
>> http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
>>
>> Andy Downs
>> 58 November
>> 1756 Cozumel = Ct
>> Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
>> USA
>> www.58November.com
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball |
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Good eye Tylor....
I at the time I did the art work I could not find a suitable picture of
a
681 Turbo Commander. If anyone has a good photo at that same angle I
would
love to incorporate it into the title card.
The film will be ready about 140 days after I raise the funding.
Currently I have about 12 interviews to complete in Jacksonville,
Atlanta
and Nashville. I have located 3 FBI agents who were involved on the ramp
at
JAX, the ATC Chief in JAX, the Federal Judge that heard the air piracy
criminal trial against the surviving hijacking Bobby Wayne Wallace, and
many
other eyewitnesses and attorneys.
I have shot about 25% of the film over the last 6 years and am out of
funding. It has taken years to collect the documents from the FBI and
National Archives. To date I have over 11,000 files from FBI and court
records.
This is a private url address I have posted some info on just for those
interested. Pease be aware that there are crime scene photos on this
site. I
think it would go unsaid that you please not distribute these unless you
ask
me. What you will see is the last photo of my father ever taken.
You will also see the FBI Policy Manual on Hijacking that governed the
FBI
agent's actions. These documents go straight to the heart of the
Pilot-In-Command issues and authority that has eroded over the past
decade.
Additionally you will see the handwritten note from J Edgar Hoover
ordering
commendations for the agents in Jacksonville.
http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3
I have other info for those that would like to help out.
This story is not just about my family loss. It goes to every pilot in
the
sky who will find themselves being ignored by authorities if they are
ever
in a hijacking crisis.
I look forward to your thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November
Pilot
Ball Caps
Andy,
I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and
looking at the Hat you have.
You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with
the
Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.
You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more
like
the 690 Turbo Props.
They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo?
How soon can we expect to see the Movie?
Tylor Hall
On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:
Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list
support
you. Good luck. Jd
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
----- Reply message -----
From: "andy downs" <andy@58November.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom & the Commander Group,
I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link
http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on
ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again.
I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November
project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This
is
no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No
Buck
Rogers"
This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI
agents
in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the
actual
ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words.
You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs
If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I
would
love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the
Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for
future A&P's
If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns
and
your support
Thanks,
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further
informed in my knowledge of Commanders.
I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding
authorities so
I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the
ad I
did not like.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy <mailto:andy@58November.com> downs
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom and Craig,
First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my
posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of
the
Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one
of
your members.
Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this
project or not.
This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had
legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you
will
all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will
want to
help in some way.
I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I
have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note
with
anyone.
My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me
and
my family would be truly grateful.
I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the
gesture.
Thanks,
Andy Downs
1756 Cozumel Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37127
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander
knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
>From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
wrote:
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site
until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander
drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/>
_____
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is
not a
forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/>
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Caps
One note, this url I sent you http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3
does not have my father's picture in it. The pictures are of the victim
Susan Gogge and the Hijacker George Giffe
It also contain emails with FBI-FOIA officials, FBI policy manuals and
FBI
memos from J Edgar Hoover.
This url address contains two picture of the 681 Commander and the
bullet
holes through the windshield next to where my father was killed.
http://imgur.com/a/P8XwN
Andy
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November
Pilot
Ball Caps
Andy,
I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and
looking at the Hat you have.
You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with
the
Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.
You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more
like
the 690 Turbo Props.
They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo?
How soon can we expect to see the Movie?
Tylor Hall
On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:
Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list
support
you. Good luck. Jd
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
----- Reply message -----
From: "andy downs" <andy@58November.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom & the Commander Group,
I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link
http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on
ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again.
I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November
project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This
is
no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No
Buck
Rogers"
This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI
agents
in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the
actual
ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words.
You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs
If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I
would
love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the
Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for
future A&P's
If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns
and
your support
Thanks,
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further
informed in my knowledge of Commanders.
I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding
authorities so
I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the
ad I
did not like.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy <mailto:andy@58November.com> downs
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom and Craig,
First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my
posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of
the
Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one
of
your members.
Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this
project or not.
This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had
legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you
will
all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will
want to
help in some way.
I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I
have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note
with
anyone.
My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me
and
my family would be truly grateful.
I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the
gesture.
Thanks,
Andy Downs
1756 Cozumel Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37127
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander
knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
>From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
wrote:
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site
until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander
drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/>
_____
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is
not a
forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/>
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Caps
This private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene
photos, FBi files ,etc on my father's case.
This url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681
Commander
http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9
Andy
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November
Pilot
Ball Caps
Andy,
I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and
looking at the Hat you have.
You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with
the
Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.
You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more
like
the 690 Turbo Props.
They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo?
How soon can we expect to see the Movie?
Tylor Hall
On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:
Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list
support
you. Good luck. Jd
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
----- Reply message -----
From: "andy downs" <andy@58November.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom & the Commander Group,
I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link
http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on
ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again.
I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November
project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This
is
no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No
Buck
Rogers"
This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI
agents
in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the
actual
ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words.
You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs
If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I
would
love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the
Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for
future A&P's
If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns
and
your support
Thanks,
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further
informed in my knowledge of Commanders.
I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding
authorities so
I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the
ad I
did not like.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy <mailto:andy@58November.com> downs
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom and Craig,
First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my
posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of
the
Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one
of
your members.
Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this
project or not.
This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had
legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you
will
all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will
want to
help in some way.
I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I
have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note
with
anyone.
My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me
and
my family would be truly grateful.
I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the
gesture.
Thanks,
Andy Downs
1756 Cozumel Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37127
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander
knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
>From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
wrote:
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site
until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander
drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/>
_____
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is
not a
forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball |
Caps
I feel if a Commander product/interest is offered to the list it's to
the
benefit of all. If I am trying to sell you a good block of stocks in the
Brooklyn Bridge, I agree that would be inappropriate, but to have a
blanket
ban on Commander stuff/interests is not serving the community. Just
don't
respond and move on.
I appreciate folks advertising their wares on the list. One day someone
might just put something on the list that someone else is looking for,
or
remember it was offered before. I remember many occasions where this has
happened. Struts, instruments, cylinders, propellers, many things have
changed hands through this list by folks who advertised their stuff.
We have Commander sponsors on our website, I invite Commander providers
to
advertise on the Commander Facebook page; it's what makes the world go
around.
So, there is my speech.
PS. You wanna piece of the Brooklyn bridge?
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy
downs
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November
Pilot
Ball Caps
This private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene
photos, FBi files ,etc on my father's case.
This url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681
Commander
http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9
Andy
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November
Pilot
Ball Caps
Andy,
I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and
looking at the Hat you have.
You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with
the
Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.
You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more
like
the 690 Turbo Props.
They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo?
How soon can we expect to see the Movie?
Tylor Hall
On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:
Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list
support
you. Good luck. Jd
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
----- Reply message -----
From: "andy downs" <andy@58November.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom & the Commander Group,
I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link
http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on
ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again.
I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November
project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This
is
no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No
Buck
Rogers"
This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI
agents
in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the
actual
ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words.
You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs
If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I
would
love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the
Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for
future A&P's
If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns
and
your support
Thanks,
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further
informed in my knowledge of Commanders.
I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding
authorities so
I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the
ad I
did not like.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs <mailto:andy@58November.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom and Craig,
First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about
my
posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of
the
Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one
of
your members.
Second, I will not post any more messages like that.
Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind
this
project or not.
This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had
legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you
will
all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will
want to
help in some way.
I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused
anyone. I
have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note
with
anyone.
My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me
and
my family would be truly grateful.
I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future.
I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in
Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate
the
gesture.
Thanks,
Andy Downs
1756 Cozumel Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37127
615-474-0590
Andy@58November.com
http://58November.com <http://58November.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander
knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already.
My 2 cents.
Craig
>From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
wrote:
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the
site
until now.
This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander
drivers.
If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr.RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy@58November.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Tom,
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your
thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/>
_____
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is
not a
forum that likes postings such as this.
Tom
(500B)
(680FLP (Mr. RPM))
----- Original Message -----
From: andy downs
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943
Andy Downs
58 November
1756 Cozumel = Ct
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128
USA
www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/>
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot |
Ball Caps
I agree with Nico.
Moe Mills
N680RR680F(p)
From: nico@cybersuperstore.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo
t Ball Caps
I feel if a Commander product/interest is offered to the list it's to the b
enefit of all. If I am trying to sell you a good block of stocks in the Bro
oklyn Bridge=2C I agree that would be inappropriate=2C but to have a blanke
t ban on Commander stuff/interests is not serving the community. Just don't
respond and move on. I appreciate folks advertising their wares on the lis
t. One day someone might just put something on the list that someone else i
s looking for=2C or remember it was offered before. I remember many occasio
ns where this has happened. Struts=2C instruments=2C cylinders=2C propeller
s=2C many things have changed hands through this list by folks who advertis
ed their stuff. We have Commander sponsors on our website=2C I invite Comma
nder providers to advertise on the Commander Facebook page=3B it's what mak
es the world go around. So=2C there is my speech. PS. You wanna piece of th
e Brooklyn bridge? From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto
:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs
Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo
t Ball Caps This private site contains letters from US Senators=2C more cri
me scene photos=2C FBi files =2Cetc on my father's case.This url does conta
in my father=3Bs picture in the front of the 681 Commanderhttp://imgur.com/
a/7dTu9 Andy From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo
t Ball CapsAndy=2C I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in T
rade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have.You are using a short body=2C
Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an earl
y 680/560.You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks m
ore like the 690 Turbo Props.They look very different. What is the reason
for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor
Hall On Mar 30=2C 2013=2C at 3:08 PM=2C yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:Andy. I see
nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luc
k. Jd
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----
From: "andy downs" <andy@58November.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
ate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/
x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word t
hat will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help
us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything
happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right
Stuff=2C "No Bucks=2C No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father
trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their r
aid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's la
st known words.You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on
the screenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know
where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact t
he owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Comm
unity College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of
you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your supp
ort Thanks=2CAndy Downs615-474-0590Andy@58November.comhttp://58November.com
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball CapsDon't get
me wrong=2C I read your post=2C went to your site and was further informed
in my knowledge of Commanders.I am continually disgusted by the antics of
some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in yo
ur endeavours=2C it is just the ad I did not like.Tom(500B)(680FLP (Mr.RPM)
)----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list@matronics
.com Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 8:11 AMSubject: RE: Commander-List:
Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig=2C First I want to say
I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a uni
que project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series.
I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Sec
ond=2C I will not post any more messages like that. Third=2C I will leave i
t to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This
hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal e
ffects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all tak
e the time to check out out site. I think if you do=2C you will want to hel
p in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has c
aused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don=3Bt want to le
ave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would li
ke to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish
you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached
a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hi
jacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks=2CAndy Do
wns1756 Cozumel CourtMurfreesboro=2C TN 37127615-474-0590Andy@58November.co
mhttp://58November.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [ma
ilto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps
Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball CapsI'd prefe
r this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge.
There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig
>From my iPhone 5!
On Mar 30=2C 2013=2C at 7:18 AM=2C "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.
ca> wrote:Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for
discussions about Commanders=2C no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the s
ite until now.This is my preference=2C thought I knew the minds of my fello
w Commander drivers.If no one else objects I guess times have changed=2C fi
ll your boots.Tom(500B)(680FLP (Mr.RPM))----- Original Message ----- From:
andy@58November.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday=2C March
29=2C 2013 3:25 PMSubject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot
Ball Caps Tom=2C
Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts.
Andy Downs
615-474-0590 Andy Downs
615-474-0590
www.58November.comFrom: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender:
owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com Date: Fri=2C 29 Mar 2013 14:50:5
2 -0700To: <commander-list@matronics.com>ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.
comSubject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my
esteemed opinion=2C as noble as your cause = may be=2C this is not
a forum that likes postings such as this.Tom(500B)(680FLP (Mr. RPM))----- O
riginal Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list@matroni
cs.com= Sent: Friday=2C March 29=2C 2013 = 2:39 PMSubject: C
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