---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/30/13: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:16 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Tom Fisher) 2. 07:38 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (White_rhino_ps) 3. 08:11 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs) 4. 09:23 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Tom Fisher) 5. 10:12 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs) 6. 10:49 AM - Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Don Falik) 7. 02:09 PM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IENvbW1hbmRlci1MaXN0OiBDb21tYW5kZXIgNTggTm92ZW1iZXIgUGlsb3Qg?= =?utf-8?B?QmFsbCBDYXBz? (=?utf-8?B?eW91cnRjZmdAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) 8. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Tylor Hall) 9. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs) 10. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs) 11. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (andy downs) 12. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Nico CSS) 13. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps (Moe Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:55 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 To: ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list@matronics.com= Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today You = will be helping make the documentary film 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking Free = Shipping in US/CAN at http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 Andy Downs 58 November 1756 Cozumel = Ct Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 USA 615-474-0590 Skype: = Downs58November www.58November.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps From: White_rhino_ps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander kno wledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig =46rom my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wro te: > Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussi ons about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until no w. > This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander dri vers. > If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy@58November.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Tom, > > Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts .. > > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > www.58November.com > From: "Tom Fisher" > Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 > To: > ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is no t a forum that likes postings such as this. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy downs > To: commander-list@matronics.com= > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM > Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today > You = will be helping make the documentary film > 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking > > Free = Shipping in US/CAN > at > http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 > > Andy Downs > 58 November > 1756 Cozumel = Ct > Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 > USA > 615-474-0590 > Skype: = Downs58November > www.58November.com > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/contribution > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=C2=B7~=B0=C2=B2,=03pr=B0=C2=AC=C3=93}=03=C2=A2z=C3=81=C2 =AE > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:40 AM PST US From: "andy downs" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today You = will be helping make the documentary film 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking Free = Shipping in US/CAN at http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 Andy Downs 58 November 1756 Cozumel = Ct Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 USA 615-474-0590 Skype: = Downs58November www.58November.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/co ntribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:15 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 To: ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list@matronics.com= Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today You = will be helping make the documentary film 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking Free = Shipping in US/CAN at http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 Andy Downs 58 November 1756 Cozumel = Ct Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 USA 615-474-0590 Skype: = Downs58November www.58November.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/c3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:12 AM PST US From: "andy downs" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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Don(ex 500S) Sent from my iPad On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:18 PM, "Tom Fisher" wro te: > Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussi ons about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until no w. > This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander dri vers. > If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy@58November.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Tom, > > Would you mind offering me why? 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I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote: > Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "andy downs" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am > > > Tom & the Commander Group, > > I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. > > I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" > > This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. > You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs > > If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's > > If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support > > Thanks, > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > Andy@58November.com > http://58November.com > > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. > I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy downs > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Tom and Craig, > > First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. > > Second, I will not post any more messages like that. > > Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. > > This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. > > I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. > > My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. > I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. > > I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. > > Thanks, > Andy Downs > 1756 Cozumel Court > Murfreesboro, TN 37127 > 615-474-0590 > Andy@58November.com > http://58November.com > > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. > > My 2 cents. > > Craig > > =46rom my iPhone 5! > > On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: > >> Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. >> This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. >> If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. >> Tom >> (500B) >> (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: andy@58November.com >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps >> >> Tom, >> >> Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. >> >> Andy Downs >> 615-474-0590 >> Andy Downs >> 615-474-0590 >> www.58November.com >> From: "Tom Fisher" >> Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 >> To: >> ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps >> >> In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. >> Tom >> (500B) >> (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: andy downs >> To: commander-list@matronics.com= >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM >> Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps >> >> http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 >> >> Andy Downs >> 58 November >> 1756 Cozumel = Ct >> Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 >> USA >> www.58November.com >> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/c3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D >> >> =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE >> >> >> ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ========= >> cs.com >> ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========= >> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:45 PM PST US From: "andy downs" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Good eye Tylor.... I at the time I did the art work I could not find a suitable picture of a 681 Turbo Commander. If anyone has a good photo at that same angle I would love to incorporate it into the title card. The film will be ready about 140 days after I raise the funding. Currently I have about 12 interviews to complete in Jacksonville, Atlanta and Nashville. I have located 3 FBI agents who were involved on the ramp at JAX, the ATC Chief in JAX, the Federal Judge that heard the air piracy criminal trial against the surviving hijacking Bobby Wayne Wallace, and many other eyewitnesses and attorneys. I have shot about 25% of the film over the last 6 years and am out of funding. It has taken years to collect the documents from the FBI and National Archives. To date I have over 11,000 files from FBI and court records. This is a private url address I have posted some info on just for those interested. Pease be aware that there are crime scene photos on this site. I think it would go unsaid that you please not distribute these unless you ask me. What you will see is the last photo of my father ever taken. You will also see the FBI Policy Manual on Hijacking that governed the FBI agent's actions. These documents go straight to the heart of the Pilot-In-Command issues and authority that has eroded over the past decade. Additionally you will see the handwritten note from J Edgar Hoover ordering commendations for the agents in Jacksonville. http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3 I have other info for those that would like to help out. This story is not just about my family loss. It goes to every pilot in the sky who will find themselves being ignored by authorities if they are ever in a hijacking crisis. I look forward to your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:13 PM PST US From: "andy downs" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps One note, this url I sent you http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3 does not have my father's picture in it. The pictures are of the victim Susan Gogge and the Hijacker George Giffe It also contain emails with FBI-FOIA officials, FBI policy manuals and FBI memos from J Edgar Hoover. This url address contains two picture of the 681 Commander and the bullet holes through the windshield next to where my father was killed. http://imgur.com/a/P8XwN Andy _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:32 PM PST US From: "andy downs" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps This private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene photos, FBi files ,etc on my father's case. This url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681 Commander http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9 Andy _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:44 PM PST US From: "Nico CSS" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I feel if a Commander product/interest is offered to the list it's to the benefit of all. If I am trying to sell you a good block of stocks in the Brooklyn Bridge, I agree that would be inappropriate, but to have a blanket ban on Commander stuff/interests is not serving the community. Just don't respond and move on. I appreciate folks advertising their wares on the list. One day someone might just put something on the list that someone else is looking for, or remember it was offered before. I remember many occasions where this has happened. Struts, instruments, cylinders, propellers, many things have changed hands through this list by folks who advertised their stuff. We have Commander sponsors on our website, I invite Commander providers to advertise on the Commander Facebook page; it's what makes the world go around. So, there is my speech. PS. You wanna piece of the Brooklyn bridge? From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:53 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps This private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene photos, FBi files ,etc on my father's case. This url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681 Commander http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9 Andy _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg@aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy@58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" Sender: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:12 PM PST US From: Moe Mills Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I agree with Nico. Moe Mills N680RR680F(p) From: nico@cybersuperstore.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo t Ball Caps I feel if a Commander product/interest is offered to the list it's to the b enefit of all. If I am trying to sell you a good block of stocks in the Bro oklyn Bridge=2C I agree that would be inappropriate=2C but to have a blanke t ban on Commander stuff/interests is not serving the community. Just don't respond and move on. I appreciate folks advertising their wares on the lis t. One day someone might just put something on the list that someone else i s looking for=2C or remember it was offered before. I remember many occasio ns where this has happened. Struts=2C instruments=2C cylinders=2C propeller s=2C many things have changed hands through this list by folks who advertis ed their stuff. We have Commander sponsors on our website=2C I invite Comma nder providers to advertise on the Commander Facebook page=3B it's what mak es the world go around. So=2C there is my speech. PS. You wanna piece of th e Brooklyn bridge? From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto :owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 5:53 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo t Ball Caps This private site contains letters from US Senators=2C more cri me scene photos=2C FBi files =2Cetc on my father's case.This url does conta in my father=3Bs picture in the front of the 681 Commanderhttp://imgur.com/ a/7dTu9 Andy From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo t Ball CapsAndy=2C I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in T rade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have.You are using a short body=2C Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an earl y 680/560.You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks m ore like the 690 Turbo Props.They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30=2C 2013=2C at 3:08 PM=2C yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luc k. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps ate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/ x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word t hat will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff=2C "No Bucks=2C No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their r aid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's la st known words.You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact t he owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Comm unity College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your supp ort Thanks=2CAndy Downs615-474-0590Andy@58November.comhttp://58November.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball CapsDon't get me wrong=2C I read your post=2C went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in yo ur endeavours=2C it is just the ad I did not like.Tom(500B)(680FLP (Mr.RPM) )----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list@matronics .com Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 8:11 AMSubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig=2C First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a uni que project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Sec ond=2C I will not post any more messages like that. Third=2C I will leave i t to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal e ffects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all tak e the time to check out out site. I think if you do=2C you will want to hel p in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has c aused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don=3Bt want to le ave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would li ke to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hi jacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks=2CAndy Do wns1756 Cozumel CourtMurfreesboro=2C TN 37127615-474-0590Andy@58November.co mhttp://58November.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [ma ilto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball CapsI'd prefe r this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30=2C 2013=2C at 7:18 AM=2C "Tom Fisher" wrote:Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders=2C no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the s ite until now.This is my preference=2C thought I knew the minds of my fello w Commander drivers.If no one else objects I guess times have changed=2C fi ll your boots.Tom(500B)(680FLP (Mr.RPM))----- Original Message ----- From: andy@58November.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday=2C March 29=2C 2013 3:25 PMSubject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom=2C Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. 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