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| Subject: | Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers |
Thanks Nico,
I think Adam was referring to later model 500s such as the B, U or S models when
he mentioned 190 kts cruise.
That sounds like quite an adventure you had with your 500 from that island in the
Indian Ocean. Sure, I'd love to see the video.
Let me know.
Thanks,
Joel
On May 6, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Nico Nicsysco <nico@nicsysco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> I flew a straight 500 for about 1,000 hours but that was about 25 years ago,
> so I don't remember much of the operational data any longer. I do remember,
> however, that it would never do 190kts in level flight as Adam has stated
> but it wasn't subject to spar inspections (1959 model) and it burned about
> 11 gal per side (imperial gallons). It is a great hauler if you operate near
> sea level but not above, say, 5,000 ft runway alt. The maintenance on the
> airframe and systems was not exorbitant and the 250hp direct drive Lycomings
> were unbeatable for reliability.
>
> Here I am flying her in 1984:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7
>
> Once I had to almost-evacuate 8 people off an island in the Indian Ocean. At
> sea level the 500 took 9 people with scuba gear off of a small strip without
> drama for the pilot. Some of the pax were fighter jocks and they had
> concerns but came to love the Commander after we had to make another landing
> before we could fly home.
>
> I can find the video of the trip and send it to you if you are interested.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel carter
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
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> --> <joel.carter131@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want to know
> about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your 520
> --------
> Joel
> On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote:
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>> --> <adam@adamfrisch.com>
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>> Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I only
> run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a
> useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at 170-190kts at
> 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs, is published to run
> at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I normally cruise at 140kts
> to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls to the wall TAS. My useful load
> is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to 1400lbs after new weigh in.
>>
>> The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the spar
> cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel bit
> and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think the models
> after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The Commander wing is
> strong and it's relatively easy to comply with.
>>
>> I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported and
> solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520
> instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field
> capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year.
>>
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>> Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers |
If I ever meet a 500B that flies at 190kts cruise, I'd buy it. I can go 190
up high, with full boost in my 500B if it's exceptionally cold out, the
airplane is washed, and there are no loose rivets, but I have to be willing
to use 34 gallons per hour to do it.
You can block a 500B at 170kts. It will fly ~175kts in cruise between
10-13000, but I prefer to pull the props back a little for noise reduction
and plan on 170 kts. At that, I can yank on the red levers and only burn 28
gal/hr. total, and cruise in comfort.
/J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel carter
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
--> <joel.carter131@gmail.com>
Thanks Nico,
I think Adam was referring to later model 500s such as the B, U or S models
when he mentioned 190 kts cruise.
That sounds like quite an adventure you had with your 500 from that island
in the Indian Ocean. Sure, I'd love to see the video.
Let me know.
Thanks,
Joel
On May 6, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Nico Nicsysco <nico@nicsysco.com> wrote:
> --> <nico@nicsysco.com>
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> I flew a straight 500 for about 1,000 hours but that was about 25
> years ago, so I don't remember much of the operational data any
> longer. I do remember, however, that it would never do 190kts in level
> flight as Adam has stated but it wasn't subject to spar inspections
> (1959 model) and it burned about
> 11 gal per side (imperial gallons). It is a great hauler if you
> operate near sea level but not above, say, 5,000 ft runway alt. The
> maintenance on the airframe and systems was not exorbitant and the
> 250hp direct drive Lycomings were unbeatable for reliability.
>
> Here I am flying her in 1984:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7
>
> Once I had to almost-evacuate 8 people off an island in the Indian
> Ocean. At sea level the 500 took 9 people with scuba gear off of a
> small strip without drama for the pilot. Some of the pax were fighter
> jocks and they had concerns but came to love the Commander after we
> had to make another landing before we could fly home.
>
> I can find the video of the trip and send it to you if you are interested.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel
> carter
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world
> numbers
>
> --> <joel.carter131@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want to
> know about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your 520
> --------
> Joel
> On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote:
>
>> --> <adam@adamfrisch.com>
>>
>> Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I
>> only
> run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a
> useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at
> 170-190kts at 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs,
> is published to run at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I
> normally cruise at 140kts to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls
> to the wall TAS. My useful load is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to
1400lbs after new weigh in.
>>
>> The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the
>> spar
> cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel
> bit and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think
> the models after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The
> Commander wing is strong and it's relatively easy to comply with.
>>
>> I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported
>> and
> solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520
> instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field
> capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year.
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032
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| Subject: | Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers |
JOHN, I CAN EVEN GET 200 KNOTS OUT OF MY 500B (DOWNHILL). YOUR SPEEDS
ARE RIGHT ON, DON'T BELIEVE THEIR ADS.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum<mailto:john@vormbaum.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world
numbers
<john@vormbaum.com<mailto:john@vormbaum.com>>
If I ever meet a 500B that flies at 190kts cruise, I'd buy it. I can
go 190
up high, with full boost in my 500B if it's exceptionally cold out,
the
airplane is washed, and there are no loose rivets, but I have to be
willing
to use 34 gallons per hour to do it.
You can block a 500B at 170kts. It will fly ~175kts in cruise between
10-13000, but I prefer to pull the props back a little for noise
reduction
and plan on 170 kts. At that, I can yank on the red levers and only
burn 28
gal/hr. total, and cruise in comfort.
/J
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-ser
ver@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel
carter
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:23 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world
numbers
--> <joel.carter131@gmail.com<mailto:joel.carter131@gmail.com>>
Thanks Nico,
I think Adam was referring to later model 500s such as the B, U or S
models
when he mentioned 190 kts cruise.
That sounds like quite an adventure you had with your 500 from that
island
in the Indian Ocean. Sure, I'd love to see the video.
Let me know.
Thanks,
Joel
On May 6, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Nico Nicsysco
<nico@nicsysco.com<mailto:nico@nicsysco.com>> wrote:
> --> <nico@nicsysco.com<mailto:nico@nicsysco.com>>
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> I flew a straight 500 for about 1,000 hours but that was about 25
> years ago, so I don't remember much of the operational data any
> longer. I do remember, however, that it would never do 190kts in
level
> flight as Adam has stated but it wasn't subject to spar inspections
> (1959 model) and it burned about
> 11 gal per side (imperial gallons). It is a great hauler if you
> operate near sea level but not above, say, 5,000 ft runway alt. The
> maintenance on the airframe and systems was not exorbitant and the
> 250hp direct drive Lycomings were unbeatable for reliability.
>
> Here I am flying her in 1984:
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7<h
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7>
>
> Once I had to almost-evacuate 8 people off an island in the Indian
> Ocean. At sea level the 500 took 9 people with scuba gear off of a
> small strip without drama for the pilot. Some of the pax were
fighter
> jocks and they had concerns but came to love the Commander after we
> had to make another landing before we could fly home.
>
> I can find the video of the trip and send it to you if you are
interested.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-ser
ver@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel
> carter
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:43 PM
> To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world
> numbers
>
> --> <joel.carter131@gmail.com<mailto:joel.carter131@gmail.com>>
>
> Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want
to
> know about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your
520
> --------
> Joel
> On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee
<adam@adamfrisch.com<mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>> wrote:
>
>> --> <adam@adamfrisch.com<mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>>
>>
>> Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I
>> only
> run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly
a
> useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at
> 170-190kts at 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same
specs,
> is published to run at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I
> normally cruise at 140kts to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165
balls
> to the wall TAS. My useful load is about 1700lbs on paper, but
closer to
1400lbs after new weigh in.
>>
>> The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the
>> spar
> cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless
steel
> bit and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I
think
> the models after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal.
The
> Commander wing is strong and it's relatively easy to comply with.
>>
>> I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well
supported
>> and
> solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the
520
> instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field
> capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year.
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032<http://forums
.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032>
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