Commander-List Digest Archive

Fri 05/31/13


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 06:46 AM - Needed parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
     2. 07:01 AM - Re: Needed parts (Nico Nicsysco)
     3. 07:16 AM - Re: Needed parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
     4. 08:15 AM - Re: Needed parts (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
     5. 02:31 PM - How much power does the pressurisation use? (stratobee)
     6. 05:31 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (Moe Mills)
     7. 07:17 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (Paul Gendron)
     8. 09:19 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (andy downs)
     9. 09:55 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:46:23 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
    Subject: Needed parts
    Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard # 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me know. Thanks very much. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com


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    Time: 07:01:39 AM PST US
    From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico@nicsysco.com>
    Subject: Needed parts
    Hi Randy, Post your request on the Commander Facebook page, too. There are many Commander owners and pilots there that are not on the list. www.facebook.com/commanderflight I hope this helps. Thanks, Nico From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: Commander-List: Needed parts Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard # 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me know. Thanks very much. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com


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    Time: 07:16:03 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
    Subject: Needed parts
    Will do. Thanks Nico. Randy logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico Nicsysco Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:01 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Needed parts Hi Randy, Post your request on the Commander Facebook page, too. There are many Commander owners and pilots there that are not on the list. www.facebook.com/commanderflight I hope this helps. Thanks, Nico From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: Commander-List: Needed parts Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard # 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me know. Thanks very much. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com


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    Time: 08:15:45 AM PST US
    From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Needed parts
    Might try Morris at commander services . Gil


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    Time: 02:31:27 PM PST US
    Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
    From: "stratobee" <adam@adamfrisch.com>
    I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the cabin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/690/695? Does anyone have an idea? Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then upgrade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation pump. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699


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    Time: 05:31:57 PM PST US
    From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
    Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
    Hi Adam=2C I have no idea as to just how much horsepower the pressurisation pumps use =2C however I can not tell the difference in either performance or fuel bur n (at the same altitude of course) regardless of whether my 680F(p) is bein g pressurized or not. Having said that the POH prohibits use of pressuriza tion on take off and landing. The motor for the pressurization is a Vicker s P/N MF033BOO7B . Currently I am having one overhauled at Western Airpar ts and will ask them next week when I talk to them. Given the small number of aircraft out there with this system that are not turbocharged (where bleed air can be used) it would not be finically feasab le for anyone to get an STC. As far as I know all of these aircraft have g enerators (100 amp or smaller) that are gear driven=2C and that conversion alone would be a major undertaking. Regards=2C MoeN680RR680F(p) PS rumor has it that you bought an star a few months back. > Subject: Commander-List: How much power does the pressurisation use? > From: adam@adamfrisch.com > Date: Fri=2C 31 May 2013 14:31:06 -0700 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the ca bin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-th e-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work prope rly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/69 0/695? > > Does anyone have an idea? > > Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense=2C then up grade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation p ump. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 07:17:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: How much power does the pressurisation use?
    From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander@GMAIL.COM>
    Adam, anytime you have a "FAA-certified" wheel turning that fast, (as in a pressurization pump) its going to cost alot. I would venture that the B-787 electric cabin supercharger individually probably costs exponentially more than multiples (maybe even scores) of the old hydraulic pumps. I own the MRRPM Conversions with 4 turbo's per airplane, using bleed air pressurization thus getting rid of those problemsome Hyd pumps. That may be your best option. I am sure it is possible for a turbo to be added to a IGSO to run the pressurization, I agree with Moe, Just not sure there is a market for such an expense. I would recommend looking at the several MRRPM conversions available on the "For Sale" market hovering near $220k *+*$40k On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:31 PM, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote: > > I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the > cabin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old > pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never > work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a > 680FP/FPL/685/690/695? > > Does anyone have an idea? > > Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then > upgrade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation > pump. > > -------- > Adam > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699 > > -- Thank You Paul Gendron for www.RPMCommander.com LLC 954-547-3002


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    Time: 09:19:53 PM PST US
    From: "andy downs" <andy@58November.com>
    Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
    It is rare for a pressurization conversion to work. I have seen guys going broke over trying to upgrade King Air A90's in the past Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 4:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: How much power does the pressurisation use? I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the cabin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/690/695? Does anyone have an idea? Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then upgrade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation pump. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699


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    Time: 09:55:28 PM PST US
    Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
    From: "CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
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