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1. 06:46 AM - Needed parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
2. 07:01 AM - Re: Needed parts (Nico Nicsysco)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: Needed parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Needed parts (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
5. 02:31 PM - How much power does the pressurisation use? (stratobee)
6. 05:31 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (Moe Mills)
7. 07:17 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (Paul Gendron)
8. 09:19 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (andy downs)
9. 09:55 PM - Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? (CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon)
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Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the
next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard
# 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me
know. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Hi Randy,
Post your request on the Commander Facebook page, too. There are many
Commander owners and pilots there that are not on the list.
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:46 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Needed parts
Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the
next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard
# 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me
know. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Will do. Thanks Nico.
Randy
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico
Nicsysco
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Needed parts
Hi Randy,
Post your request on the Commander Facebook page, too. There are many
Commander owners and pilots there that are not on the list.
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:46 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Needed parts
Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the
next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard
# 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me
know. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Subject: | Re: Needed parts |
Might try Morris at commander services . Gil
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Subject: | How much power does the pressurisation use? |
I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the cabin with
electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-the-re** hydraulic
pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work properly. How much
power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/690/695?
Does anyone have an idea?
Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then upgrade the
alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation pump.
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Adam
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Subject: | How much power does the pressurisation use? |
Hi Adam=2C
I have no idea as to just how much horsepower the pressurisation pumps use
=2C however I can not tell the difference in either performance or fuel bur
n (at the same altitude of course) regardless of whether my 680F(p) is bein
g pressurized or not. Having said that the POH prohibits use of pressuriza
tion on take off and landing. The motor for the pressurization is a Vicker
s P/N MF033BOO7B . Currently I am having one overhauled at Western Airpar
ts and will ask them next week when I talk to them.
Given the small number of aircraft out there with this system that are not
turbocharged (where bleed air can be used) it would not be finically feasab
le for anyone to get an STC. As far as I know all of these aircraft have g
enerators (100 amp or smaller) that are gear driven=2C and that conversion
alone would be a major undertaking.
Regards=2C
MoeN680RR680F(p)
PS rumor has it that you bought an star a few months back.
> Subject: Commander-List: How much power does the pressurisation use?
> From: adam@adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri=2C 31 May 2013 14:31:06 -0700
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
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> I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the ca
bin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-th
e-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work prope
rly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/69
0/695?
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> Does anyone have an idea?
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> Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense=2C then up
grade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation p
ump.
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Subject: | Re: How much power does the pressurisation use? |
Adam, anytime you have a "FAA-certified" wheel turning that fast, (as in a
pressurization pump) its going to cost alot.
I would venture that the B-787 electric cabin supercharger individually
probably costs exponentially more than multiples (maybe even scores) of the
old hydraulic pumps.
I own the MRRPM Conversions with 4 turbo's per airplane, using bleed air
pressurization thus getting rid of those problemsome Hyd pumps. That may be
your best option.
I am sure it is possible for a turbo to be added to a IGSO to run the
pressurization, I agree with Moe, Just not sure there is a market for such
an expense.
I would recommend looking at the several MRRPM conversions available on the
"For Sale" market hovering near $220k *+*$40k
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:31 PM, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote:
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> I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the
> cabin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old
> pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never
> work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a
> 680FP/FPL/685/690/695?
>
> Does anyone have an idea?
>
> Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then
> upgrade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation
> pump.
>
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> Adam
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699
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Thank You
Paul Gendron for
www.RPMCommander.com LLC
954-547-3002
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Subject: | How much power does the pressurisation use? |
It is rare for a pressurization conversion to work. I have seen guys going
broke over trying to upgrade King Air A90's in the past
Andy
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 4:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: How much power does the pressurisation use?
I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the cabin
with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old
pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never
work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a
680FP/FPL/685/690/695?
Does anyone have an idea?
Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then upgrade
the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation pump.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699
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Subject: | How much power does the pressurisation use? |
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