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1. 07:52 AM - Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? (stratobee)
2. 09:29 AM - Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? ()
3. 09:35 AM - Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? (stratobee)
4. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? ()
5. 11:03 AM - Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? (Jim Addington)
6. 11:12 AM - Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? (John denDekker)
7. 02:25 PM - Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? (Jim Addington)
8. 05:51 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Autopilots_for_680's,_680V's,_681's=3F? ()
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| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard only
S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for support.
Are there any used systems approved?
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Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Hi Adam,
As far as I know, the only two autopilots that are approved for the pre-690 turboprops
are the S-Tec 65 and the original Honeywell H-14. Rate-based autopilots
like the S-Tec are not as precise as attitude-based autopilots, but I still
like my S-Tec. I've never had a problem with it in the nine years it's been installed,
so I can't speak to the customer service quality of the manufacturer.
Regards,
Stan
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>From: stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2015 7:52 AM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
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>Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard only
S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for support.
Are there any used systems approved?
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>Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Thanks Stan. I suspected as much. Just checked the price on the S-Tec 65 and it's
$40K, so won't be doing that in a hurry. [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Having said that, I wonder if there is an easy way to get an autopilot for the
690 series approved for the 680V, since they are both under the same type certificate?
I've seen the Bendix M4 and the Bendix/King KFC 300 in 690s, and I remember
my dad's 680E had an M4C in it, so it might be possible. You'd still have
to balance the aquisition, installation, and approval costs with the availability
of parts and service (especially for the M4).
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>From: stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2015 9:35 AM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
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>Thanks Stan. I suspected as much. Just checked the price on the S-Tec 65 and it's
$40K, so won't be doing that in a hurry. [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
I had the S-Tec auto pilot installed in my 500A back in 1988. The airplane
was used for the STC and it worked great until a year ago and I have just
not been flying that much so have not gotten it fixed. The thing I like
about the S-Tec is that if you lose the attitude gyro the auto pilot keeps
flying level. If you lose electricity the attitude indicator will keep you
going. My ex-son-in-laws father was riding with a friend that had over 20000
hours and lost the attitude gyro and the plane followed tyro and away from
him and he ended up pulling the wings off. That would not have happened with
the S-Tec. They were in a Cessna 210 with the Cessna autopilot.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
swperk@earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Hi Adam,
As far as I know, the only two autopilots that are approved for the pre-690
turboprops are the S-Tec 65 and the original Honeywell H-14. Rate-based
autopilots like the S-Tec are not as precise as attitude-based autopilots,
but I still like my S-Tec. I've never had a problem with it in the nine
years it's been installed, so I can't speak to the customer service quality
of the manufacturer.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
>From: stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2015 7:52 AM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
>
>
>Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've
heard only S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation
for support. Are there any used systems approved?
>
>--------
>Adam
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436886#436886
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| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Adam,
Century lists the 680F, FL and FLP on their STC's for the Century 2000.
S-TEC autopilots for this size of airplane are "okay". It's one of those
scenarios whereas in the absence of an autopilot having the S-TEC is better
than not having one.
S-TEC has the SYSTEM 65 STC'd for various models (E, T, V, W). Aside from
their newer digital autopilots (which are not approved for this airplane)
I'd say the 65 is the most robust.
The problem with used autopilots is we (avionics shops) must have the STC
data or other "Approved Data" in order to do the installation. When shopping
for a used autopilot you also have to remember there may be a number of
brackets, cables, and/or bridle cables that may be required beyond the main
pieces of equipment. Making sure you capture all the required parts is a big
part of the reason to have the Approved Data.
At the end of the day, if you are considering a used system the best case
scenario is to have a complete airframe that you can salvage all the parts
from, but even then official data for the installation is necessary.
Best regards,
John DenDekker
www.carpenteravionics.com
800.300.0352 Toll Free
615.355.9970 office
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard
only S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for
support. Are there any used systems approved?
--------
Adam
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| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
You will eat your heart out but I had the S-Tec 65 with flight director, all
the whistles and bells but the yaw damper ( we did not think the Commander
needed it) they installed my used Collins PN101, an ADF, all lighted flight
instruments, for $8000. Of course that was in 1988.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
denDekker
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
<john@carpenteravionics.com>
Adam,
Century lists the 680F, FL and FLP on their STC's for the Century 2000.
S-TEC autopilots for this size of airplane are "okay". It's one of those
scenarios whereas in the absence of an autopilot having the S-TEC is better
than not having one.
S-TEC has the SYSTEM 65 STC'd for various models (E, T, V, W). Aside from
their newer digital autopilots (which are not approved for this airplane)
I'd say the 65 is the most robust.
The problem with used autopilots is we (avionics shops) must have the STC
data or other "Approved Data" in order to do the installation. When shopping
for a used autopilot you also have to remember there may be a number of
brackets, cables, and/or bridle cables that may be required beyond the main
pieces of equipment. Making sure you capture all the required parts is a big
part of the reason to have the Approved Data.
At the end of the day, if you are considering a used system the best case
scenario is to have a complete airframe that you can salvage all the parts
from, but even then official data for the installation is necessary.
Best regards,
John DenDekker
www.carpenteravionics.com
800.300.0352 Toll Free
615.355.9970 office
NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached
materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18
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unauthorized person. If you have received this transmission in error you are
PROHIBITED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or relying
upon it. Please immediately delete it from your system without copying and
notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard
only S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for
support. Are there any used systems approved?
--------
Adam
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