---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/29/15: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:18 AM - 500B for sale on ebay (Barry Collman) 2. 01:08 PM - Re: 500B for sale on ebay (Tylor Hall) 3. 01:30 PM - Re: 500B for sale on ebay (John Vormbaum) 4. 03:27 PM - Re: 500B for sale on ebay (Tylor Hall) 5. 03:39 PM - Re: 500B for sale on ebay (John Vormbaum) 6. 06:08 PM - Re: 500B for sale on ebay (Gil Walker) 7. 09:21 PM - Re: 500B for sale on ebay (stratobee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:10 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay Hello All, If anyone=99s on the lookout for a 500B, there=99s one being advertised for sale on ebay for $129,500. It=99s currently owned by Fleet Guy LLC (dba: Truck Guy), of Sacramento, California, having been bought in November 2013. Prior to that it was with Bryan County Sheriff's Office, of Durant, Oklahoma (Bought in December 2006) Prior to that it was owned since new by the US Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. That=99s it, just 3 owners since Certificated in June 1964. Serial number is 1450-159 Best Regards, Barry http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Commander-500B/151648680508?_trksid=p5713. c100284.m3505 &_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29396%26meid%3 Ddbef58c992c14d44a0961be364beedf9%26pid%3D100284%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26me hot%3Dpp%26sd%3D141577254321 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:54 PM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay Team, About a year ago, I had the opportunity to start the engines and taxi the 171Z around a little. There is still the USFS marking on the tail and under the Left wing. That is USFS ORANGE paint that can not be missed. I was not able to see if the turbos worked being the aircraft is in Van Nuys, CA at sea level. The interior is near original and is basic. There is lots of spare parts. The Sheriff Office in Durant, OK did not take care of it very well and let it go. The annual it went through included new breaks, some hoses. and both props overhauled. The annual has been done, but not logged. The aircraft has not been flown since that I know of because the owner does has not pilots on staff. There appears to have been deice on the aircraft in the past or when it was new? Barry could look that up. The turbos are there, but the cowl flaps are still on the aircraft and the oil cooler has not been moved behind the firewall which keeps the heat of the engine area and will allow higher altitude flying and keeping things cool. It is listed on Controller.com . Cash offer would bring the price down. I have some photos I took of the aircraft if you want them. It does have the USFS radio system with it, but parts have been removed. Anyone can call me for more info. Tylor Hall tylorhall@mac.com PHP Agency 6100 Seagull NE Albuquerque, NM 87109 505-400-8373 > On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Barry Collman wrote: > > Hello All, > > If anyone=99s on the lookout for a 500B, there=99s one being advertised for sale on ebay for $129,500. > > It=99s currently owned by Fleet Guy LLC (dba: Truck Guy), of Sacramento, California, having been bought in November 2013. > Prior to that it was with Bryan County Sheriff's Office, of Durant, Oklahoma (Bought in December 2006) > Prior to that it was owned since new by the US Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. > > That=99s it, just 3 owners since Certificated in June 1964. > Serial number is 1450-159 > > Best Regards, > Barry > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Commander-500B/151648680508?_trksid=p5713.c 100284.m3505&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D293 96%26meid%3Ddbef58c992c14d44a0961be364beedf9%26pid%3D100284%26rk%3D6%26rkt %3D10%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D141577254321 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:51 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay Tylor, curious about your comments on the turbos. My 500B is turbocharged. And it has cowl flaps, and the oil coolers are still forward of the firewall. I don=99t know that I=99ve ever seen a Commander without cowl flaps... From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay Team, About a year ago, I had the opportunity to start the engines and taxi the 171Z around a little. There is still the USFS marking on the tail and under the Left wing. That is USFS ORANGE paint that can not be missed. I was not able to see if the turbos worked being the aircraft is in Van Nuys, CA at sea level. The interior is near original and is basic. There is lots of spare parts. The Sheriff Office in Durant, OK did not take care of it very well and let it go. The annual it went through included new breaks, some hoses. and both props overhauled. The annual has been done, but not logged. The aircraft has not been flown since that I know of because the owner does has not pilots on staff. There appears to have been deice on the aircraft in the past or when it was new? Barry could look that up. The turbos are there, but the cowl flaps are still on the aircraft and the oil cooler has not been moved behind the firewall which keeps the heat of the engine area and will allow higher altitude flying and keeping things cool. It is listed on Controller.com . Cash offer would bring the price down. I have some photos I took of the aircraft if you want them. It does have the USFS radio system with it, but parts have been removed. Anyone can call me for more info. Tylor Hall tylorhall@mac.com PHP Agency 6100 Seagull NE Albuquerque, NM 87109 505-400-8373 On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Barry Collman > wrote: Hello All, If anyone=99s on the lookout for a 500B, there=99s one being advertised for sale on ebay for $129,500. It=99s currently owned by Fleet Guy LLC (dba: Truck Guy), of Sacramento, California, having been bought in November 2013. Prior to that it was with Bryan County Sheriff's Office, of Durant, Oklahoma (Bought in December 2006) Prior to that it was owned since new by the US Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. That=99s it, just 3 owners since Certificated in June 1964. Serial number is 1450-159 Best Regards, Barry http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Commander-500B/151648680508?_trksid=p5713. c100284.m3505 &_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29396%26meid%3 Ddbef58c992c14d44a0961be364beedf9%26pid%3D100284%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26me hot%3Dpp%26sd%3D141577254321 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List class="">http://forums.matronics.com class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:09 PM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay John, That was part of a later version of the RPM STC to put the IO-720 engines in to keep them cooler. The cowl flaps get removed and the opening on the top of the cowling. The stepping motors from the cowl flaps are used to open and close the waste gate. This removed the long cables that were originally used manually. The moving of the oil cooler to behind the firewall and adding a scoop under the cowling to duct air over the oil cooler, removes a lot of the heat in the engine compartment. It lowers the inlet air temperature to the engine. Paul Gendron could tell you more. Tylor Hall > On Apr 29, 2015, at 2:30 PM, John Vormbaum wrote: > > Tylor, curious about your comments on the turbos. My 500B is turbocharged. And it has cowl flaps, and the oil coolers are still forward of the firewall. I don=99t know that I=99ve ever seen a Commander without cowl flaps... > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:09 PM > To: Commander list > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay > > Team, > About a year ago, I had the opportunity to start the engines and taxi the 171Z around a little. > There is still the USFS marking on the tail and under the Left wing. That is USFS ORANGE paint that can not be missed. > I was not able to see if the turbos worked being the aircraft is in Van Nuys, CA at sea level. > The interior is near original and is basic. There is lots of spare parts. > > The Sheriff Office in Durant, OK did not take care of it very well and let it go. The annual it went through included new breaks, some hoses. and both props overhauled. The annual has been done, but not logged. The aircraft has not been flown since that I know of because the owner does has not pilots on staff. > > There appears to have been deice on the aircraft in the past or when it was new? Barry could look that up. > > The turbos are there, but the cowl flaps are still on the aircraft and the oil cooler has not been moved behind the firewall which keeps the heat of the engine area and will allow higher altitude flying and keeping things cool. > It is listed on Controller.com . > > Cash offer would bring the price down. > I have some photos I took of the aircraft if you want them. > > It does have the USFS radio system with it, but parts have been removed. > Anyone can call me for more info. > > Tylor Hall > tylorhall@mac.com > PHP Agency > 6100 Seagull NE > Albuquerque, NM 87109 > 505-400-8373 > > > >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Barry Collman > wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> If anyone=99s on the lookout for a 500B, there=99s one being advertised for sale on ebay for $129,500. >> >> It=99s currently owned by Fleet Guy LLC (dba: Truck Guy), of Sacramento, California, having been bought in November 2013. >> Prior to that it was with Bryan County Sheriff's Office, of Durant, Oklahoma (Bought in December 2006) >> Prior to that it was owned since new by the US Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. >> >> That=99s it, just 3 owners since Certificated in June 1964. >> Serial number is 1450-159 >> >> Best Regards, >> Barry >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Commander-500B/151648680508?_trksid=p5713.c 100284.m3505&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D293 96%26meid%3Ddbef58c992c14d44a0961be364beedf9%26pid%3D100284%26rk%3D6%26rkt %3D10%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D141577254321 >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List " class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> class="">http://forums.matronics.com >> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:32 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay Oh gotcha, it was part of the Mr. RPM mod. From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay John, That was part of a later version of the RPM STC to put the IO-720 engines in to keep them cooler. The cowl flaps get removed and the opening on the top of the cowling. The stepping motors from the cowl flaps are used to open and close the waste gate. This removed the long cables that were originally used manually. The moving of the oil cooler to behind the firewall and adding a scoop under the cowling to duct air over the oil cooler, removes a lot of the heat in the engine compartment. It lowers the inlet air temperature to the engine. Paul Gendron could tell you more. Tylor Hall On Apr 29, 2015, at 2:30 PM, John Vormbaum > wrote: Tylor, curious about your comments on the turbos. My 500B is turbocharged. And it has cowl flaps, and the oil coolers are still forward of the firewall. I don=99t know that I=99ve ever seen a Commander without cowl flaps... From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay Team, About a year ago, I had the opportunity to start the engines and taxi the 171Z around a little. There is still the USFS marking on the tail and under the Left wing. That is USFS ORANGE paint that can not be missed. I was not able to see if the turbos worked being the aircraft is in Van Nuys, CA at sea level. The interior is near original and is basic. There is lots of spare parts. The Sheriff Office in Durant, OK did not take care of it very well and let it go. The annual it went through included new breaks, some hoses. and both props overhauled. The annual has been done, but not logged. The aircraft has not been flown since that I know of because the owner does has not pilots on staff. There appears to have been deice on the aircraft in the past or when it was new? Barry could look that up. The turbos are there, but the cowl flaps are still on the aircraft and the oil cooler has not been moved behind the firewall which keeps the heat of the engine area and will allow higher altitude flying and keeping things cool. It is listed on Controller.com . Cash offer would bring the price down. I have some photos I took of the aircraft if you want them. It does have the USFS radio system with it, but parts have been removed. Anyone can call me for more info. Tylor Hall tylorhall@mac.com PHP Agency 6100 Seagull NE Albuquerque, NM 87109 505-400-8373 On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Barry Collman > wrote: Hello All, If anyone=99s on the lookout for a 500B, there=99s one being advertised for sale on ebay for $129,500. It=99s currently owned by Fleet Guy LLC (dba: Truck Guy), of Sacramento, California, having been bought in November 2013. Prior to that it was with Bryan County Sheriff's Office, of Durant, Oklahoma (Bought in December 2006) Prior to that it was owned since new by the US Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. That=99s it, just 3 owners since Certificated in June 1964. Serial number is 1450-159 Best Regards, Barry http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Commander-500B/151648680508?_trksid=p5713. c100284.m3505 &_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29396%26meid%3 Ddbef58c992c14d44a0961be364beedf9%26pid%3D100284%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26me hot%3Dpp%26sd%3D141577254321 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List class="">http://forums.matronics.com class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List class="">http://forums.matronics.com class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay From: Gil Walker 680's don't have cowal flaps . Gil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM, "John Vormbaum" wrote: > > Tylor, curious about your comments on the turbos. My 500B is turbocharged. And it has cowl flaps, and the oil coolers are still forward of the firewal l. I don=99t know that I=99ve ever seen a Commander without cowl flaps... > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:09 PM > To: Commander list > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B for sale on ebay > > Team, > About a year ago, I had the opportunity to start the engines and taxi the 1 71Z around a little. > There is still the USFS marking on the tail and under the Left wing. That is USFS ORANGE paint that can not be missed. > I was not able to see if the turbos worked being the aircraft is in Van Nu ys, CA at sea level. > The interior is near original and is basic. There is lots of spare parts. > > The Sheriff Office in Durant, OK did not take care of it very well and let it go. The annual it went through included new breaks, some hoses. and bot h props overhauled. The annual has been done, but not logged. The aircraft has not been flown since that I know of because the owner does has not pil ots on staff. > > There appears to have been deice on the aircraft in the past or when it wa s new? Barry could look that up. > > The turbos are there, but the cowl flaps are still on the aircraft and the oil cooler has not been moved behind the firewall which keeps the heat of t he engine area and will allow higher altitude flying and keeping things cool .. > It is listed on Controller.com. > > Cash offer would bring the price down. > I have some photos I took of the aircraft if you want them. > > It does have the USFS radio system with it, but parts have been removed. > Anyone can call me for more info. > > Tylor Hall > tylorhall@mac.com > PHP Agency > 6100 Seagull NE > Albuquerque, NM 87109 > 505-400-8373 > > > > On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Barry Collman wrote: > > Hello All, > > If anyone=99s on the lookout for a 500B, there=99s one being a dvertised for sale on ebay for $129,500. > > It=99s currently owned by Fleet Guy LLC (dba: Truck Guy), of Sacrame nto, California, having been bought in November 2013. > Prior to that it was with Bryan County Sheriff's Office, of Durant, Oklaho ma (Bought in December 2006) > Prior to that it was owned since new by the US Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. > > That=99s it, just 3 owners since Certificated in June 1964. > Serial number is 1450-159 > > Best Regards, > Barry > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Commander-500B/151648680508?_trksid=p5713.c 100284.m3505&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29396 %26meid%3Ddbef58c992c14d44a0961be364beedf9%26pid%3D100284%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D1 0%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D141577254321 > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" class="">http ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > class="">http://forums.matronics.com > class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:21 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: 500B for sale on ebay From: "stratobee" Seems a little steep to me considering the AFTT and the engine times. Looks like a nice plane, though. 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