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Sat 07/04/15


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     1. 07:56 AM - Re: Hello World (Glenn Hancock)
     2. 09:01 AM - Re: Hello World (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
     3. 09:56 AM - Re: Hello World (Glenn Hancock)
     4. 10:47 AM - Re: Hello World (K.S.Gordon)
     5. 11:54 AM - Re: Hello World (K.S.Gordon)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:56:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hello World
    From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
    So a few question: 1) Do you really run the engines up to 3000RPM during preflight tests? 2) Is there an actual preflight guide for 680FP's that explains the main things you should be looking for during preflight or is just the same basic stuff as every other plane? 3) Where do you check the oil? I understand its a dry sump engine but never had any experience with them. Just curious as the manual says nothing about this. 4) Can you run the engines LOP and is there any information on the proper process for this or is it pretty much same as every other engine? 5) Is there any information on proper decent techniques? I understand these geared engines don't like being driven by the props but just curious of proper technique because the manual again has zero info on this. 6) Why do you leave the mixtures in the full rich setting after shutdown? 7) It mentions times for filling tanks but not process. Do you only fill one tank and all the others fill from it? Only fill the two left tanks? How many tanks are there? Again, manual says to give it time but doesn't give any real detail about it. I purchased a new manual from Twin Commander people but it has a good bit of information I'm used to seeing missing so not sure if there is a better source for this information or is it just stuff you learn when you start flying them? Another missing piece is cruise performance at different altitudes and fuel/power settings. Sorry for all the questions but haven't been able to find it anywhere else so figured I'd try.. :-) Have a good weekend. Glenn On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, its official, going to try another trip next weekend and will spend > this week getting the 310 flying again. Disappointed but as it turns out > there is a huge line of storms across GA that would have cancelled the > flight anyway. I'll let you know when we get off for New Mexico. > > Glenn > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, I found a problem with my right alternator on the 310 tonight while >> replacing the fuel pump on the same engine. Looks like I'm having to >> reschedule or try to find a delta flight to get us out there. >> >> hopefully will figure it out. >> >> Glenn >> >> >> On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Richard <Richard@flycorp.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Welcome Glenn. >>> >>> >>> >>> I too have spent many hours in this aircraft. Flew it with Moe shortly >>> before his passing. >>> >>> Once you have flown Aero Commanders you will never go back to Cessnas ! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Hancock >>> *Sent:* Friday, 3 July 2015 2:21 AM >>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Hello World >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes i will most likely make it there . Just came back from there last >>> month from twin cessna convention. >>> >>> >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Steele, Bob <Bob.Steele@kzf.com> wrote: >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> >>> >>> If you decide to buy N680RR and join the TCFG it would be great if you >>> could make it to the TCFG Fly-In this September in Colorado Springs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tylor Hall >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:41 AM >>> *To:* Commander list >>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Hello World >>> >>> >>> >>> Glenn, >>> >>> I live in Albuquerque, NM and have flown N680RR with Moe Mills. >>> >>> If I can help in any way, let me know. >>> >>> It is a very special plane. >>> >>> Call me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tylor Hall >>> >>> tylorhall@mac.com >>> >>> First Fueling Systems, Inc. >>> >>> 401 Monte Alto PL NE >>> >>> Albuquerque, NM 87123 >>> >>> 505-400-8373 Cell >>> >>> 505-247-3001 >>> >>> www.firstfueling.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just wanted to introduce myself. I am traveling to New Mexico tomorrow >>> to do a pre-buy on a Twin Commander 680Fp and hoping everything goes >>> awesome and I can get it home to start the annual on it. Not sure how >>> active this group is but wanted to say hello and I hope to be joining >>> your ranks soon. >>> >>> Glenn Hancock >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>* >>> >>> *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>* >>> >>> *tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* >>> >>> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> --glenn hancock >>> >>> >>> >>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag >>> you down to their level and beat you with experience. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>* >>> >>> *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>* >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> >> -- >> --glenn hancock >> >> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you >> down to their level and beat you with experience. >> >> >> > > > -- > --glenn hancock > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you > down to their level and beat you with experience. > > -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


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    Time: 09:01:53 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
    Subject: Hello World
    Hi Glenn I have a 680F, with the same engines. I will let you know how I operate my plane, which should be pretty much the same as the 680FP. See responses below. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hello World So a few question: 1) Do you really run the engines up to 3000RPM during preflight tests? I was taught to run up to 30000 rpm, however, the manual does not say that. For the past 7 yrs or so, I do not run up to 3000 rpm, and I have had no problems. My run up is to 2200 rpm for mag check and systems. 2) Is there an actual preflight guide for 680FP's that explains the main things you should be looking for during preflight or is just the same basic stuff as every other plane? Not aware of any pre-flight guide. I do the following: Check static port port side, check hinges of elevators, look at rudder, check static port starboard side, drain main tank sump (access door on side of fuselage under wing), check brake lines & pads, pull/adjust bungee, look into gear well for hoses, cables, etc, check flap hinges & aileron hinges, drain port side outboard tank sump, check bungee, open outer engine nacelle and inspect interior for oil, wires, cables, etc, look into engine past prop for oil leaks, grab magnetos to assure anchorage, check pitot tube, check nose wheel, do the same on the port side. Be sure to check pressure in the gear blow down gauge in wheel well. Should be around 200 psi. 3) Where do you check the oil? Oil access panel on top of engine nacelle. Min 4 gallons per engine. I understand its a dry sump engine but never had any experience with them. Just curious as the manual says nothing about this. 4) Can you run the engines LOP and is there any information on the proper process for this or is it pretty much same as every other engine? I run the engines ROP, just to be safe. 5) Is there any information on proper decent techniques? I understand these geared engines don't like being driven by the props but just curious of proper technique because the manual again has zero info on this. I start down early for a 500 FPM descent, pulling back power 2 inches at a time and adjusting mixture in the descent. Final approach at 100 knots, with full flaps, and about 15 inches. Don=99t pull back to idle until touchdown so not to drive the engines with the props. 6) Why do you leave the mixtures in the full rich setting after shutdown? There are springs in the Simmons fuel pumps which are stretched when the mixture levers are in the idle position, and eventually become fatigued. 7) It mentions times for filling tanks but not process. Do you only fill one tank and all the others fill from it? Only fill the two left tanks? How many tanks are there? Again, manual says to give it time but doesn't give any real detail about it. Three tanks =93 main tank, with fuel port on top of wing between starboard engine and fuselage. Fill last few gallons slowly because of baffles in the tanks. Two outboard tanks outboard of the engines. Fill each tank separately. I purchased a new manual from Twin Commander people but it has a good bit of information I'm used to seeing missing so not sure if there is a better source for this information or is it just stuff you learn when you start flying them? Another missing piece is cruise performance at different altitudes and fuel/power settings. I always cruise at around 70% power =93 30 inches, 2600rpm, 190 knots true. Sorry for all the questions but haven't been able to find it anywhere else so figured I'd try.. :-) Have a good weekend. Glenn On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com> wrote: Well, its official, going to try another trip next weekend and will spend this week getting the 310 flying again. Disappointed but as it turns out there is a huge line of storms across GA that would have cancelled the flight anyway. I'll let you know when we get off for New Mexico. Glenn On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com> wrote: Well, I found a problem with my right alternator on the 310 tonight while replacing the fuel pump on the same engine. Looks like I'm having to reschedule or try to find a delta flight to get us out there. hopefully will figure it out. Glenn On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Richard <Richard@flycorp.com.au> wrote: Welcome Glenn. I too have spent many hours in this aircraft. Flew it with Moe shortly before his passing. Once you have flown Aero Commanders you will never go back to Cessnas ! Cheers, Richard From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock Sent: Friday, 3 July 2015 2:21 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hello World Yes i will most likely make it there . Just came back from there last month from twin cessna convention. Glenn On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Steele, Bob <Bob.Steele@kzf.com> wrote: Glenn If you decide to buy N680RR and join the TCFG it would be great if you could make it to the TCFG Fly-In this September in Colorado Springs. Bob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hello World Glenn, I live in Albuquerque, NM and have flown N680RR with Moe Mills. If I can help in any way, let me know. It is a very special plane. Call me. Tylor Hall tylorhall@mac.com First Fueling Systems, Inc. 401 Monte Alto PL NE Albuquerque, NM 87123 505-400-8373 Cell 505-247-3001 www.firstfueling.com On Jul 2, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM> wrote: Just wanted to introduce myself. I am traveling to New Mexico tomorrow to do a pre-buy on a Twin Commander 680Fp and hoping everything goes awesome and I can get it home to start the annual on it. Not sure how active this group is but wanted to say hello and I hope to be joining your ranks soon. Glenn Hancock http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


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    Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hello World
    From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
    Thanks for all the info. My manual and the check list I got from Twin Commander both say to run up to 3000RPM, which was why I was asking. Since you have the same engines though, if I end up with any engine problems, are there any replacements available for the 680F(p) that would allow getting away from the geared engines or possibly going to Turbine? Hoping I have no issues but have heard it's hard to get these rebuilt and just making sure I won't end up with an airframe that I can't put an engine on. Also, what is the difference between the airframes on a 680F and a 680T? Thanks, Glenn On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net> wrote: > Hi Glenn > > I have a 680F, with the same engines. I will let you know how I operate > my plane, which should be pretty much the same as the 680FP. See respons es > below. > > > Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB > > 680F / N6253X > > > [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi] > > > *Dettmer Architecture* > > *663 Hill Street* > > *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405* > > *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865 <805%20541%204865>* > > *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>* > > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Hancock > *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 7:56 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Hello World > > > So a few question: > > > 1) Do you really run the engines up to 3000RPM during preflight tests? I > was taught to run up to 30000 rpm, however, the manual does not say that. > For the past 7 yrs or so, I do not run up to 3000 rpm, and I have had no > problems. My run up is to 2200 rpm for mag check and systems. > > > 2) Is there an actual preflight guide for 680FP's that explains the main > things you should be looking for during preflight or is just the same bas ic > stuff as every other plane? Not aware of any pre-flight guide. I do the > following: Check static port port side, check hinges of elevators, look > at rudder, check static port starboard side, drain main tank sump (access > door on side of fuselage under wing), check brake lines & pads, pull/adju st > bungee, look into gear well for hoses, cables, etc, check flap hinges & > aileron hinges, drain port side outboard tank sump, check bungee, open > outer engine nacelle and inspect interior for oil, wires, cables, etc, lo ok > into engine past prop for oil leaks, grab magnetos to assure anchorage, > check pitot tube, check nose wheel, do the same on the port side. Be sur e > to check pressure in the gear blow down gauge in wheel well. Should be > around 200 psi. > > > 3) Where do you check the oil? Oil access panel on top of engine > nacelle. Min 4 gallons per engine. I understand its a dry sump engine > but never had any experience with them. Just curious as the manual says > nothing about this. > > > 4) Can you run the engines LOP and is there any information on the proper > process for this or is it pretty much same as every other engine? I run > the engines ROP, just to be safe. > > > 5) Is there any information on proper decent techniques? I understand > these geared engines don't like being driven by the props but just curiou s > of proper technique because the manual again has zero info on this. I > start down early for a 500 FPM descent, pulling back power 2 inches at a > time and adjusting mixture in the descent. Final approach at 100 knots, > with full flaps, and about 15 inches. Don=99t pull back to idle un til > touchdown so not to drive the engines with the props. > > > 6) Why do you leave the mixtures in the full rich setting after shutdown? > There are springs in the Simmons fuel pumps which are stretched when the > mixture levers are in the idle position, and eventually become fatigued. > > > 7) It mentions times for filling tanks but not process. Do you only fill > one tank and all the others fill from it? Only fill the two left tanks? > How many tanks are there? Again, manual says to give it time but doesn' t > give any real detail about it. Three tanks =93 main tank, with fue l port > on top of wing between starboard engine and fuselage. Fill last few > gallons slowly because of baffles in the tanks. Two outboard tanks > outboard of the engines. Fill each tank separately. > > > I purchased a new manual from Twin Commander people but it has a good bit > of information I'm used to seeing missing so not sure if there is a bette r > source for this information or is it just stuff you learn when you start > flying them? > > > Another missing piece is cruise performance at different altitudes and > fuel/power settings. I always cruise at around 70% power =93 30 in ches, > 2600rpm, 190 knots true. > > > Sorry for all the questions but haven't been able to find it anywhere els e > so figured I'd try.. :-) > > > Have a good weekend. > > > Glenn > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, its official, going to try another trip next weekend and will spend > this week getting the 310 flying again. Disappointed but as it turns out > there is a huge line of storms across GA that would have cancelled the > flight anyway. I'll let you know when we get off for New Mexico. > > > Glenn > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, I found a problem with my right alternator on the 310 tonight while > replacing the fuel pump on the same engine. Looks like I'm having to > reschedule or try to find a delta flight to get us out there. > > > hopefully will figure it out. > > > Glenn > > > On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Richard <Richard@flycorp.com.au> wrote: > > Welcome Glenn. > > > I too have spent many hours in this aircraft. Flew it with Moe shortly > before his passing. > > Once you have flown Aero Commanders you will never go back to Cessnas ! > > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > <owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Hancock > *Sent:* Friday, 3 July 2015 2:21 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Hello World > > > Yes i will most likely make it there . Just came back from there last > month from twin cessna convention. > > > Glenn > > On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Steele, Bob <Bob.Steele@kzf.com> wrote: > > Glenn > > > If you decide to buy N680RR and join the TCFG it would be great if you > could make it to the TCFG Fly-In this September in Colorado Springs. > > > Bob > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > <owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Tylor Hall > *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:41 AM > *To:* Commander list > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Hello World > > > Glenn, > > I live in Albuquerque, NM and have flown N680RR with Moe Mills. > > If I can help in any way, let me know. > > It is a very special plane. > > Call me. > > > Tylor Hall > > tylorhall@mac.com > > First Fueling Systems, Inc. > > 401 Monte Alto PL NE > > Albuquerque, NM 87123 > > 505-400-8373 Cell > > 505-247-3001 > > www.firstfueling.com > > > On Jul 2, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > > > Just wanted to introduce myself. I am traveling to New Mexico tomorrow > to do a pre-buy on a Twin Commander 680Fp and hoping everything goes > awesome and I can get it home to start the annual on it. Not sure how > active this group is but wanted to say hello and I hope to be joining > your ranks soon. > > Glenn Hancock > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Commander-List>* > > *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion>* > > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <h ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/ contribution>* > > > -- > --glenn hancock > > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you > down to their level and beat you with experience. > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Commander-List>* > > *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion>* > > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <h ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/ contribution>* > > > -- > --glenn hancock > > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you > down to their level and beat you with experience. > > > -- > > --glenn hancock > > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you > down to their level and beat you with experience. > > > -- > > --glenn hancock > > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you > down to their level and beat you with experience. > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Commander-List>* > > *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion>* > > -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


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    Time: 10:47:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hello World
    From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
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    Time: 11:54:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hello World
    From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
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