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1. 05:17 AM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (alexandc10@aol.com)
2. 05:49 AM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 (Dan)
3. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
4. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 (Russell Legg)
5. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 (John Vormbaum)
6. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 (K.S.Gordon)
7. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 (Russell Legg)
8. 07:42 PM - Re: Commander Parts (William J Hamilton)
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| Subject: | Re: 680FP Speed Question |
I haven't flown the FP, but 181 MPH indicated (IAS) at 13500 is 198 knots TAS.
If you were under the impression that the airplane would INDICATE 200 knots
at 13500, then that's simply not going to happen. That's 250+ KTAS. The seven
minutes could be explained by higher head-winds at 13500, time-to-climb, more
conservative descent, etc.
If you're saying he was doing 181 (MPH) TRUE airspeed at 13500, then that seems
also unlikely, as that's 158 Knots (KTAS), and you would likely have beaten him
home.
Net, if you're only 2 KTAS off book on a 50 year old airplane, sounds pretty good!
AD
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2015 9:29 pm
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from NM. It was
about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my wife and 3 year old
son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to 13500. I am not sure how he managed
the engines or how he did anything for that matter, but what I was most interested
in was his speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that
it was at least a 200knot airplane.
So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my absolute
disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he was doing 181MPH
indicated which was basically the same speed I was doing in my 310 at a lower
altitude.
So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as the 310Q?
Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not flying it properly?
I still love the plane and not changing my mind, just won't be quite as happy
with it if it's that slow. It has flap gap seals and winglets although I'm not
sure how much either adds to actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn
compared to my 26gph.
Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
Thanks,
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down
to their level and beat you with experience.
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to me.
Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me receiving scrambled
messages as shown below?
Thanks, Dan
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> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
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> Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
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>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
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>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 07:28:43 PM PST US
> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
>
> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from NM. It
> was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my wife and 3
> year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to 13500. I am not sure
> how he managed the engines or how he did anything for that matter, but what
> I was most interested in was his speed. I purchased this airplane with the
> understanding that it was at least a 200knot airplane.
>
> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he was
> doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was doing in my
> 310 at a lower altitude.
>
> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as the
> 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not flying it
> properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind, just won't be
> quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap gap seals and
> winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to actual speed. He
> averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>
> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
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> Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
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> Time: 08:39:50 PM PST US
> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11@MSN.COM>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
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> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:44:23 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: John Ives <seafever32@hotmail.com>
>
> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install new mate
> rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job better done
>
> John Ives
> AC 685
> VH NJT
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@MSN.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F. Anyb
> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A &
> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>> <image001.gif>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>> 663 Hill Street
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:45:45 PM PST US
> From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> <image001.gif>
>
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street*
>
> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:58:43 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander@GMAIL.COM>
>
> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal guy
> that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates you remove
> from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z couplings. I have
> a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and side windows. Let me
> know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul Gendron
> On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>
>>
>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>
>> *663 Hill Street*
>>
>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865 <805%20541%204865>*
>>
>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
Hi Dan,
Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
for business to sell.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
Thanks, Dan
>
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> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/15: 7
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:28:43 PM PST US
> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
>
> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
least a 200knot airplane.
>
> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
> doing in my
> 310 at a lower altitude.
>
> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>
> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
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> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:39:50 PM PST US
> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11@MSN.COM>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
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> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:44:23 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: John Ives <seafever32@hotmail.com>
>
> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
> better done
>
> John Ives
> AC 685
> VH NJT
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@MSN.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anyb
> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
&
> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>> <image001.gif>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>> 663 Hill Street
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:45:45 PM PST US
> From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> <image001.gif>
>
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street*
>
> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:58:43 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander@GMAIL.COM>
>
> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>
>>
>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>
>> *663 Hill Street*
>>
>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>
>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Sometimes scrambled here - would rather receive emails sunny side up!
Sent from my iPhone
> On 22 Jul 2015, at 1:19 am, Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dan,
> Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
> likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
> for business to sell.
>
> Randy
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
>
>
>
>> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
>
> Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
> me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
> receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
> Thanks, Dan
>>
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>>
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>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
>> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
>> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
>> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
>> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
>> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
>> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US
>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>>
>> 663 Hill Street
>>
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:28:43 PM PST US
>> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
>>
>> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
>> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
>> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
>> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
>> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
>> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
> least a 200knot airplane.
>>
>> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
>> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
>> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
>> doing in my
>> 310 at a lower altitude.
>>
>> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
>> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
>> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
>> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
>> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
>> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>>
>> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> --
>> --glenn hancock
>>
>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
>> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:39:50 PM PST US
>> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11@MSN.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
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>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
>> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>>
>> 663 Hill Street
>>
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:44:23 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>> From: John Ives <seafever32@hotmail.com>
>>
>> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
>> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
>> better done
>>
>> John Ives
>> AC 685
>> VH NJT
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@MSN.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anyb
>> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
> &
>> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>> <image001.gif>
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:45:45 PM PST US
>> From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> <image001.gif>
>>
>>
>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>
>> *663 Hill Street*
>>
>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>>
>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:58:43 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander@GMAIL.COM>
>>
>> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
>> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
>> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
>> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
>> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
>> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
>> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>
>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>
>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>
>>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>>
>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
All US emails arrive upside down for you, dont they Russell?
Cheers from topside,
/John
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Russell Legg <aero560e@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sometimes scrambled here - would rather receive emails sunny side up!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 22 Jul 2015, at 1:19 am, Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>> Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
>> likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
>> for business to sell.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>> 663 Hill Street
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
>>
>>
>>
>>> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
>>
>> Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
>> me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
>> receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
>> Thanks, Dan
>>>
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>>>
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>>> the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>> formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
>>> Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes
>>> the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed
>>> with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>
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>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Commander-List Digest Archive
>>> ---
>>> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/15: 7
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Message Index:
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
>>> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
>>> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
>>> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
>>> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
>>> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
>>> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US
>>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>>>
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 07:28:43 PM PST US
>>> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
>>>
>>> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
>>> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
>>> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
>>> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
>>> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
>>> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
>> least a 200knot airplane.
>>>
>>> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
>>> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
>>> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
>>> doing in my
>>> 310 at a lower altitude.
>>>
>>> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
>>> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
>>> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
>>> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
>>> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
>>> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>>>
>>> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --glenn hancock
>>>
>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
>>> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US
>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
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>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 08:39:50 PM PST US
>>> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11@MSN.COM>
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
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>>> div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} -->
>>>
>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
>>> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 08:44:23 PM PST US
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>> From: John Ives <seafever32@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
>>> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
>>> better done
>>>
>>> John Ives
>>> AC 685
>>> VH NJT
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@MSN.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anyb
>>> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
>> &
>>> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>> <image001.gif>
>>>>
>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 08:45:45 PM PST US
>>> From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>> <image001.gif>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>
>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>
>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>
>>> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>>>
>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 7
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 08:58:43 PM PST US
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander@GMAIL.COM>
>>>
>>> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
>>> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
>>> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
>>> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
>>> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
>>> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
>>> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>>
>>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>>
>>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>>
>>>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>>>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>>>
>>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
Haha John - will come to terms with all of that someday!!
Sent from my iPhone
> On 22 Jul 2015, at 7:36 am, John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com> wrote:
>
>
> All US emails arrive upside down for you, dont they Russell?
>
> Cheers from topside,
>
> /John
>
>
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Russell Legg <aero560e@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sometimes scrambled here - would rather receive emails sunny side up!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 22 Jul 2015, at 1:19 am, Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
>>> likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
>>> for business to sell.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
>>>
>>> Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
>>> me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
>>> receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
>>> Thanks, Dan
>>>>
>>>> =================================================
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>>>>
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>>>> the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed
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>>>>
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>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Commander-List Digest Archive
>>>> ---
>>>> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/15: 7
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>> ----------------------
>>>>
>>>> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
>>>> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
>>>> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
>>>> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
>>>> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
>>>> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
>>>> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>>
>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>>
>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>>
>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>
>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 07:28:43 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>>> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM>
>>>>
>>>> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
>>>> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
>>>> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
>>>> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
>>>> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
>>>> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
>>> least a 200knot airplane.
>>>>
>>>> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
>>>> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
>>>> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
>>>> doing in my
>>>> 310 at a lower altitude.
>>>>
>>>> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
>>>> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
>>>> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
>>>> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
>>>> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
>>>> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>>>>
>>>> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --glenn hancock
>>>>
>>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
>>>> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>>> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
>>>>
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>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 08:39:50 PM PST US
>>>> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11@MSN.COM>
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
>>>> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>>
>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>>
>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>>
>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>
>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 08:44:23 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>> From: John Ives <seafever32@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
>>>> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
>>>> better done
>>>>
>>>> John Ives
>>>> AC 685
>>>> VH NJT
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@MSN.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>>> Anyb
>>>> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
>>> &
>>>> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>>
>>>>> <image001.gif>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 08:45:45 PM PST US
>>>> From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman <lloydsss11@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image001.gif>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>>
>>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>>
>>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>>
>>>> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>>>>
>>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 7
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 08:58:43 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander@GMAIL.COM>
>>>>
>>>> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
>>>> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
>>>> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
>>>> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
>>>> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
>>>> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
>>>> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>>>
>>>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>>>
>>>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>>>
>>>>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>>>>
>>>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
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Randy,
The best (and probably the cheapest) answer is to make them.
Most of them are single curvature, only moderate radii.
Any competent aircraft sheet metal worker should be able to do this.
Donor airframe --- what condition is an equally old skin likely to be?
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
Hello Commander fans,
We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>
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