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1. 05:58 AM - Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Glenn Hancock)
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3. 03:18 PM - Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Gil Walker)
4. 05:59 PM - Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Glenn)
5. 06:31 PM - Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Nico hMail)
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem
is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post
pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow
conversations or search for specific information is impossible. I would
like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and that we
can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if
something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing
the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the
popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size
limits and other possible problems in that situation as well as costs
involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich
but I do have the money to cover the server and operational costs. I
just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what interests us
about the Commanders family and not have to join an email list that I
have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have
to filter through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to
be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
> crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>
>
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
> person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
>
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>
>
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video:
> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Nico
> hMail
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get
> a vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
>
>
> Adam,
>
>
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com>
> domain, which is forwarded to www.twincommander.org
> <http://www.twincommander.org> where TCFG's web page is located. I put
> "own" in quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I
> just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
>
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
> <http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
> over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter
> crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing
> by the thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting.
> The facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
> Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
> technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years
> ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There
> are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain
> more about these resources as they have been intimately involved in
> shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others'
> contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of
> turbines and piston Commanders there.
>
>
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
> productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
> follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
> really used in its current form.
>
>
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
> vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
>
> 1) There is already a site at
> http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to
> commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there
> before finding this email list that to this day still has not been
> responded to. Why?
>
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
> <http://twincommandersgroup.com> and plan to leave it up as long as
> you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one
> use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it
> and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list?
>
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
> keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old
> topics.
>
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
> stuck on the email list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
> <williams.ericlofton@gmail.com <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> <williams.ericlofton@gmail.com <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>>
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com <http://twincommanders.com>
> sound good to me.
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com
> <mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>> wrote:
> >
> <adam@adamfrisch.com <mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>>
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
> <http://Www.twincommanders.com> is available, but it kind of suggest
> turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
> <http://Www.aerocommanders.com> is available, and so is
> aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com>, but I'm not
> sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under
> Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==========
> br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> ==========
> FORUMS -
> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> b Site -
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
> --
>
> --glenn hancock
>
>
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
>
> * *
> * *
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List*
> * *
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Glen and Nico
Jim is doing better and is going into surgery today some time. This is
to put his hip back together.
He was able to wiggle his toes and that is suppose to be good.
The meeting here in Colorado Springs went well and people are now
leaving to go home.
Call me on my cell and I can tell you more.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall@mac.com
ACN IBO Member
401 Monte Alto PL NE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
505-247-3001
505-400-8373 Cell
tylorhall.acndirect.com
> On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Nico,
>
> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The
problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and
post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to
follow conversations or search for specific information is impossible.
I would like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and
that we can control better.
>
> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
>
> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that
if something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
>
> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me
placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one
of the popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into
disk size limits and other possible problems in that situation as well
as costs involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm
not rich but I do have the money to cover the server and operational
costs. I just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what
interests us about the Commanders family and not have to join an email
list that I have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook
where I have to filter through everything.
>
> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem
to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
>
> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>>
>> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>>
>> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
prayers.
>>
>> Read all about it with pictures and video:
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
<https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT>
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Nico
hMail
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
>>
>> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com
<http://www.aerocommander.com/> domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org/> where TCFG's web
page is located. I put "own" in quotes because it really is the property
of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's
DNS entries.
>>
>> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
<http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
>>
>> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will
have to follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is
not really used in its current form.
>>
>> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
>>
>> So I'm a bit confused:
>>
>> 1) There is already a site at
http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
<http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/> that seems dedicated to
commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there before
finding this email list that to this day still has not been responded
to. Why?
>>
>> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
<http://twincommandersgroup.com/> and plan to leave it up as long as you
guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one use the
other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it and why
don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list?
>>
>> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old
topics.
>>
>> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is
everyone stuck on the email list?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
<williams.ericlofton@gmail.com <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>>
wrote:
<williams.ericlofton@gmail.com <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>>
>>
>> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com
<http://twincommanders.com/> sound good to me.
>>
>> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com
<mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>> wrote:
>> >
<adam@adamfrisch.com <mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>>
>> >
>> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
<http://www.twincommanders.com/> is available, but it kind of suggest
turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
<http://www.aerocommanders.com/> is available, and so is
aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com/>, but I'm not
sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under
Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Adam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>> ==========
>> FORUMS -
>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
<http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> ==========
>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --glenn hancock
>>
>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Glad to hear Jim is going to be OK . How did the accident happen ? Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 27, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Tylor Hall <tylorhall@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Glen and Nico
> Jim is doing better and is going into surgery today some time. This is to
put his hip back together.
> He was able to wiggle his toes and that is suppose to be good.
>
> The meeting here in Colorado Springs went well and people are now leaving t
o go home.
>
> Call me on my cell and I can tell you more.
>
> Tylor Hall
> tylorhall@mac.com
> ACN IBO Member
> 401 Monte Alto PL NE
> Albuquerque, NM 87123
> 505-247-3001
> 505-400-8373 Cell
> tylorhall.acndirect.com
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Nico,
>>
>> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem i
s that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post pictures
and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow conversations o
r search for specific information is impossible. I would like to see a foru
m that is specific to our common interests and that we can control better.
>>
>> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com an
d created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we all n
eed to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one person be
involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on, the other
s can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of you has regist
ered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my server and both domain
s would resolve to the same place for now but could be different later.
>>
>> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if s
omething were to happen to the person owning the server, that others can hav
e it transferred to another server.
>>
>> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing t
he forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the popular
sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size limits and o
ther possible problems in that situation as well as costs involved that I
'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich but I do have the mo
ney to cover the server and operational costs. I just want somewhere that w
e can all gather and discuss what interests us about the Commanders family a
nd not have to join an email list that I have a hard time keeping track of c
onversations or Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>>
>> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to b
e some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so far. I c
an't believe an engine failure would cause something like that unless power w
as added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that I haven't begun to
fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope he recovers and gets ba
ck to flying soon.
>>
>> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>>> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
on landing at Boise ID airport.
>>>
>>> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no pe
rson by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>>>
>>> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very conce
rned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>>>
>>> Read all about it with pictures and video: https://www.facebook.com/COM
MANDERFLIGHT
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-
list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico hMail
>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vi
tal Commander forum?
>>>
>>> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to ww
w.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in quotes b
ecause it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN regis
ter to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>>>
>>> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all over
the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash after a
n aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the thousands e
very day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accomm
odates posts from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Man
y of the articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded from th
e original CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on
the facebook page. There are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will b
e able to explain more about these resources as they have been intimately in
volved in shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others' cont
ributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines an
d piston Commanders there.
>>>
>>> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used productively
. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to follow the domain, t
oo. I kept it up for a generation and it is not really used in its current f
orm.
>>>
>>> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-
list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital C
ommander forum?
>>>
>>> So I'm a bit confused:
>>>
>>> 1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ t
hat seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted some
thing there before finding this email list that to this day still has not be
en responded to. Why?
>>>
>>> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to lea
ve it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why
does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly a
s it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email lis
t?
>>>
>>> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
>>>
>>> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone s
tuck on the email list?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams <williams.e
riclofton@gmail.com> wrote:
@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
>>>
>>> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote:
>>> >
>
>>> >
>>> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, bu
t it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is ava
ilable, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was the corr
ect manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Ag
ain, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>>> >
>>> > Thoughts?
>>> >
>>> > --------
>>> > Adam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --glenn hancock
>>>
>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag yo
u down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Great to hear.
Glenn
On 09/27/2015 11:24 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
> Glen and Nico
> Jim is doing better and is going into surgery today some time. This
> is to put his hip back together.
> He was able to wiggle his toes and that is suppose to be good.
>
> The meeting here in Colorado Springs went well and people are now
> leaving to go home.
>
> Call me on my cell and I can tell you more.
>
> Tylor Hall
> tylorhall@mac.com <mailto:tylorhall@mac.com>
> ACN IBO Member
> 401 Monte Alto PL NE
> Albuquerque, NM 87123
> 505-247-3001
> 505-400-8373 Cell
> tylorhall.acndirect.com <http://tylorhall.acndirect.com>
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Glenn Hancock <glennh@GMAIL.COM
>> <mailto:glennh@GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>
>> Nico,
>>
>> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The
>> problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk
>> and post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying
>> to follow conversations or search for specific information is
>> impossible. I would like to see a forum that is specific to our
>> common interests and that we can control better.
>>
>> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at
>> twincommandergroup.com <http://twincommandergroup.com> and created a
>> few sections for conversations. There are a few things we all need
>> to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one person be
>> involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on, the
>> others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
>> you has registered twincommanders.com <http://twincommanders.com>.
>> That could be pointed at my server and both domains would resolve to
>> the same place for now but could be different later.
>>
>> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that
>> if something were to happen to the person owning the server, that
>> others can have it transferred to another server.
>>
>> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me
>> placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from
>> one of the popular sites and we could place it there. You will get
>> into disk size limits and other possible problems in that situation
>> as well as costs involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the
>> moment. I'm not rich but I do have the money to cover the server and
>> operational costs. I just want somewhere that we can all gather and
>> discuss what interests us about the Commanders family and not have to
>> join an email list that I have a hard time keeping track of
>> conversations or Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>>
>> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem
>> to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report
>> so far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like
>> that unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a
>> 680F that I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what
>> happened. I hope he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
>>
>> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
>>> crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>>>
>>> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is
>>> no person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>>>
>>> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
>>> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
>>> prayers.
>>>
>>> Read all about it with pictures and video:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>> *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Nico hMail
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
>>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com <http://matronics.com>] Re:
>>> Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum?
>>>
>>> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com
>>> <http://www.aerocommander.com/> domain, which is forwarded to
>>> www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org/> where TCFG's
>>> web page is located. I put "own" in quotes because it really is the
>>> property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN register to manage
>>> the domain's DNS entries.
>>>
>>> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
>>> <http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
>>> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from
>>> all over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the
>>> helicopter crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000
>>> and climbing by the thousands every day. The average is about
>>> 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommodates posts from
>>> aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Many of the
>>> articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded from the
>>> original CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall) and are
>>> visible on the facebook page. There are tons of stuff there. The
>>> Metzger friends will be able to explain more about these resources
>>> as they have been intimately involved in shaping what these sites
>>> have become, not discounting others' contributions over the years.
>>> You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
>>> Commanders there.
>>>
>>> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
>>> productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
>>> follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
>>> really used in its current form.
>>>
>>> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>> *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Glenn Hancock
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
>>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* [matronics.com <http://matronics.com>] Re:
>>> Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum?
>>>
>>> So I'm a bit confused:
>>>
>>> 1) There is already a site at
>>> http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to
>>> commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there
>>> before finding this email list that to this day still has not been
>>> responded to. Why?
>>>
>>> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
>>> <http://twincommandersgroup.com/> and plan to leave it up as long as
>>> you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one
>>> use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it
>>> and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email
>>> list?
>>>
>>> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
>>> keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search
>>> old topics.
>>>
>>> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is
>>> everyone stuck on the email list?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
>>> <williams.ericlofton@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <williams.ericlofton@gmail.com <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> Aerocommanders.com <http://Aerocommanders.com> and
>>> twincommanders.com <http://twincommanders.com/> sound good to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com
>>> <mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> <adam@adamfrisch.com <mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>>
>>> >
>>> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
>>> <http://www.twincommanders.com/> is available, but it kind of
>>> suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
>>> <http://www.aerocommanders.com/> is available, and so is
>>> aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com/>, but I'm not
>>> sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made
>>> under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel
>>> excluded.
>>> >
>>> > Thoughts?
>>> >
>>> > --------
>>> > Adam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>> ==========
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>>>
>>> --
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>>> --glenn hancock
>>>
>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just
>>> drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
I don't disagree with you, guys.
I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business,
political, religious and aviation.
Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no
possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to keep
Facebook alive.
Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep my
customer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response basis.
We are looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is what I
think we may consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is limited to
subscribers only.
Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under
assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me
against the coming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the
Occident to totalitarianism.
Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty
one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a
generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching more
truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have ever used. Education
in good moral values which sustain liberty, peace and prosperity only
counts in quality if quantity gets to see it.
I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I
cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I
owned a straight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I put
on her. However, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating matter
to me, which is why I broadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero
Commanders. The helicopter flop and breakup into the ocean after an
aerobatic maneuver gone bad, for example, reached almost 90,000 people!
For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree
that a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the majority
of the people visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight pages, might not
be able to make a productive contribution anyway. We would want to see
Morris, the Metzgers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others
become members of such a portal.
That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site
might serve our purpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS
records and costs of ownership. I belong to a secret page on some other
forum and only invited members can participate, see the postings, and
can be expelled for misbehavior and other counterproductive issues. It
just prevents having another userid and password floating around for
most folks.
If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to
whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum
would be established.
Just my take on things.
Thanks for the feedback.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem
is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post
pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow
conversations or search for specific information is impossible. I would
like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and that we
can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if
something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing
the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the
popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size
limits and other possible problems in that situation as well as costs
involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich
but I do have the money to cover the server and operational costs. I
just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what interests us
about the Commanders family and not have to join an email list that I
have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have
to filter through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to
be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
on landing at Boise ID airport.
The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
prayers.
Read all about it with pictures and video:
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico
hMail
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in
quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my
ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital
Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
something there before finding this email list that to this day still
has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to
leave it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question
is, why does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored
as badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using
this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
<williams.ericlofton@gmail.com> wrote:
<williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote:
>
<adam@adamfrisch.com>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available,
but it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
is available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that
was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell
and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>
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