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3. 11:27 AM - Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (William Boelte)
4. 11:03 PM - Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Nico hMail)
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
So my 2 cents:
First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do I
want to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get in
touch with like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the
question comes down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sorts
or a forum. To understand the difference you'd only have to go to
facebook and try to find a conversation that got started 2 months ago
that you were participating in or going to a forum and doing the same.
The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entire
conversation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than a
bunch of people posting comments about this that or the other and there
is no easy way to search through history or to find a specific topic you
might be interested in, and post a comment.
I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook as
those people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commander.
I'm only interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the
planes today that can help me and that I might be able to help.
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching
videos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in
personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person
instead of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit
then pops back in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
Glenn
On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> I don't disagree with you, guys.
>
>
>
> I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business,
> political, religious and aviation.
>
>
>
> Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no
> possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to
> keep Facebook alive.
>
>
>
> Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep
> my customer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response
> basis. We are looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is
> what I think we may consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is
> limited to subscribers only.
>
>
>
> Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under
> assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me
> against the coming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the
> Occident to totalitarianism.
>
>
>
> Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty
> one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a
> generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching more
> truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have ever used.
> Education in good moral values which sustain liberty, peace and
> prosperity only counts in quality if quantity gets to see it.
>
>
>
> I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I
> cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I
> owned a straight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I
> put on her. However, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating
> matter to me, which is why I broadened the scope of my Facebook page
> on Aero Commanders. The helicopter flop and breakup into the ocean
> after an aerobatic maneuver gone bad, for example, reached almost
> 90,000 people!
>
>
>
> For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree
> that a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the
> majority of the people visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight
> pages, might not be able to make a productive contribution anyway. We
> would want to see Morris, the Metzgers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon
> and many others become members of such a portal.
>
>
>
> That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
> bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site
> might serve our purpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS
> records and costs of ownership. I belong to a secret page on some
> other forum and only invited members can participate, see the
> postings, and can be expelled for misbehavior and other
> counterproductive issues. It just prevents having another userid and
> password floating around for most folks.
>
>
>
> If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to
> whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum
> would be established.
>
>
>
> Just my take on things.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The
> problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk
> and post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to
> follow conversations or search for specific information is
> impossible. I would like to see a forum that is specific to our
> common interests and that we can control better.
>
> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
> and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things
> we all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
> person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes
> on, the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that
> one of you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed
> at my server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now
> but could be different later.
>
> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that
> if something were to happen to the person owning the server, that
> others can have it transferred to another server.
>
> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me
> placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one
> of the popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into
> disk size limits and other possible problems in that situation as well
> as costs involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm
> not rich but I do have the money to cover the server and operational
> costs. I just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what
> interests us about the Commanders family and not have to join an email
> list that I have a hard time keeping track of conversations or
> Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>
> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem
> to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report
> so far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like
> that unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a
> 680F that I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what
> happened. I hope he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
>
> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
> crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>
>
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is
> no person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
>
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
> prayers.
>
>
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video:
> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Nico hMail
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we
> get a vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
>
>
> Adam,
>
>
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com
> <http://www.aerocommander.com> domain, which is forwarded to
> www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org> where TCFG's
> web page is located. I put "own" in quotes because it really is
> the property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN register to
> manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
>
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
> <http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from
> all over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the
> helicopter crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at
> 89,000 and climbing by the thousands every day. The average is
> about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommodates posts
> from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Many
> of the articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded
> from the original CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall)
> and are visible on the facebook page. There are tons of stuff
> there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more about
> these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
> what these sites have become, not discounting others'
> contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence
> of turbines and piston Commanders there.
>
>
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
> productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have
> to follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is
> not really used in its current form.
>
>
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get
> a vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
>
> 1) There is already a site at
> http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to
> commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there
> before finding this email list that to this day still has not been
> responded to. Why?
>
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
> <http://twincommandersgroup.com> and plan to leave it up as long
> as you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does
> no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as
> badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop
> using this email list?
>
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
> keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search
> old topics.
>
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is
> everyone stuck on the email list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
> <williams.ericlofton@gmail.com
> <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> <williams.ericlofton@gmail.com <mailto:williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>>
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com
> <http://twincommanders.com> sound good to me.
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com
> <mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>> wrote:
> >
> <adam@adamfrisch.com <mailto:adam@adamfrisch.com>>
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
> <http://Www.twincommanders.com> is available, but it kind of
> suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
> <http://Www.aerocommanders.com> is available, and so is
> aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com>, but I'm
> not sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models
> made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make
> anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching video
s isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conver
sations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of t
he group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops ba
ck in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
And that's where I am, too.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
So my 2 cents:
First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do
I want to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get
in touch with like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the
question comes down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sort
s or a forum. To understand the difference you'd only have to go to fac
ebook and try to find a conversation that got started 2 months ago that
you were participating in or going to a forum and doing the same.
The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entir
e conversation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than
a bunch of people posting comments about this that or the other and ther
e is no easy way to search through history or to find a specific topic y
ou might be interested in, and post a comment.
I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook
as those people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commande
r. I'm only interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the
planes today that can help me and that I might be able to help.
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching v
ideos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personall
y.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conver
sations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of t
he group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops ba
ck in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
Glenn
On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
I don't disagree with you, guys.
I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal,
business, political, religious and aviation.
Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have h
ad no possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause
for me to keep Facebook alive.
Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to
keep my customer service with my customers on an almo
st-instant-response basis. We are looking at testing a "secret"
site on Facebook, which is what I think we may consider for an A
ero Commander forum, which is limited to subscribers only.
Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are
under assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand
with me against the coming overthrow of democratic in
stitutions and return the Occident to totalitarianism.
Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a
faulty one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine
for a generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching
more truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have
ever used. Education in good moral values which sustain libert
y, peace and prosperity only counts in quality if quantity gets
to see it.
I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is
about. I cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympat
hies expressed here. I owned a straight-500 and will always cher
ish the about 1,000 hours I put on her. However, aviation and na
ture in general is a fascinating matter to me, which is why I br
oadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero Commanders. The he
licopter flop and breakup into the ocean after an aerobatic mane
uver gone bad, for example, reached almost 90,000 people!
For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would
agree that a generalized forum might be counterproductive,
since the majority of the people visiting the facebook.com
/commanderflight pages, might not be able to make a productive c
ontribution anyway. We would want to see Morris, the Metzgers, A
ndy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others become members of su
ch a portal.
That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret
facebook site might serve our purpose, which takes care of the
domain ownership, DNS records and costs of ownership. I belong
to a secret page on some other forum and only invited members ca
n participate, see the postings, and can be expelled for misbeha
vior and other counterproductive issues. It just prevents having
another userid and password floating around for most folks.
If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com
domain to whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in
which such a forum would be established.
Just my take on things.
Thanks for the feedback.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On B
ehalf Of Glenn Hancock
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim
Metzger and N222JS
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook.
The problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people g
o to talk and post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific
and trying to follow conversations or search for specific informa
tion is impossible. I would like to see a forum that is specific
to our common interests and that we can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincomm
andergroup.com and created a few sections for conversations. Ther
e are a few things we all need to consider with a forum like this.
1) That more than one person be involved in the domain name so t
hat when one of us passes on, the others can pickup the forum. On
e possible solution is that one of you has registered twincommande
rs.com. That could be pointed at my server and both domains would
resolve to the same place for now but could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written ag
reement that if something were to happen to the person owning the
server, that others can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of
me placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a se
rver from one of the popular sites and we could place it there. Y
ou will get into disk size limits and other possible problems in t
hat situation as well as costs involved that I'm more than happy t
o foot at the moment. I'm not rich but I do have the money to cov
er the server and operational costs. I just want somewhere that w
e can all gather and discuss what interests us about the Commander
s family and not have to join an email list that I have a hard tim
e keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have to filte
r through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident
would seem to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the
accident report so far. I can't believe an engine failure would c
ause something like that unless power was added after the failure.
I just purchased a 680F that I haven't begun to fly so am very i
nterested in what happened. I hope he recovers and gets back to f
lying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when
N222JS crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said
there is no person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we
are very concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim
and Sue in your prayers.
Read all about it with pictures and video: https://www.facebo
ok.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Nico hMail
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Command
er-List: Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forward
ed to www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I
put "own" in quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, w
hich I just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS
entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook pag
e. It is reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fa
ns are from all over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had
is the helicopter crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stan
ds at 89,000 and climbing by the thousands every day. The averag
e is about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommodates p
osts from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular.
Many of the articles, brochures, and other technical data were
uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago by (I canno
t recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are tons
of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain
more about these resources as they have been intimately in
volved in shaping what these sites have become, not discounting
others' contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct
presence of turbines and piston Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used prod
uctively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is
not really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Beh
alf Of Glenn Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re:
How can we get a vital Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevel
sonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to commande
rs but no one seems to use it. I posted something t
here before finding this email list that to this day
still has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.c
om and plan to leave it up as long as you guys want to
use it but I guess the question is, why does no
one use the other one? Is this one going to get
ignored as badly as it and why don't we all just
move over there and stop using this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are
made and it keeps all of the posts organized so
people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum
or is everyone stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams <williams.eri
clofton@gmail.com> wrote:
--> Commander-List message posted by: Eric Williams <william
s.ericlofton@gmail.com>
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com so
und good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch
.com> wrote:
>
"stratobee" <adam@adamfrisch.com>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
is available, but it kind of suggest turbines are not
welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is ava
ilable, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not su
re that was the correct manufacturing name for the model
s made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want
to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#
447422
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I am in agreement with Keith and Glen.
Kindest regards,
Bill
On Oct 2, 2015, at 13:12, "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching videos i
sn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
>
> This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conversation
s. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of the group a
nd the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops back in later wi
th half the conversation missing.
>
> so there we are: :-)
> And that's where I am, too.
>
> Keith S Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> KHND RNAV Lead
> FAASTeam, Las Vegas
> NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
> Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com>
> To: commander-list <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:38 am
> Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> So my 2 cents:
>
> First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do I wan
t to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get in touch w
ith like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the question come
s down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sorts or a forum. To u
nderstand the difference you'd only have to go to facebook and try to find a
conversation that got started 2 months ago that you were participating in o
r going to a forum and doing the same.
>
> The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entire conv
ersation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than a bunch of
people posting comments about this that or the other and there is no easy w
ay to search through history or to find a specific topic you might be intere
sted in, and post a comment.
>
> I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook as th
ose people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commander. I'm on
ly interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the planes today t
hat can help me and that I might be able to help.
>
> I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching videos i
sn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
>
> This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conversation
s. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of the group a
nd the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops back in later wi
th half the conversation missing.
>
> so there we are: :-)
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
> I don't disagree with you, guys.
>
> I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business, political,
religious and aviation.
>
> Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no poss
ible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to keep Faceboo
k alive.
>
> Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep my cu
stomer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response basis. We are
looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is what I think we ma
y consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is limited to subscribers only
.
>
> Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under assa
ult and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me against the co
ming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the Occident to totalit
arianism.
>
> Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty one
to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a generation or so
and Facebook turned out to be reaching more truth-seekers than with any oth
er forum that I have ever used. Education in good moral values which sustain
liberty, peace and prosperity only counts in quality if quantity gets to se
e it.
>
> I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I canno
t agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I owned a st
raight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I put on her. Howev
er, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating matter to me, which is w
hy I broadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero Commanders. The helicop
ter flop and breakup into the ocean after an aerobatic maneuver gone bad, fo
r example, reached almost 90,000 people!
>
> For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree that
a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the majority of the p
eople visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight pages, might not be able to m
ake a productive contribution anyway. We would want to see Morris, the Metzg
ers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others become members of such a p
ortal.
>
> That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers, bandwidth
and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site might serve our p
urpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS records and costs of o
wnership. I belong to a secret page on some other forum and only invited mem
bers can participate, see the postings, and can be expelled for misbehavior a
nd other counterproductive issues. It just prevents having another userid an
d password floating around for most folks.
>
> If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to whom
ever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum would be e
stablished.
>
> Just my take on things.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> Nico,
>
> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem is
that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post pictures a
nd videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow conversations or s
earch for specific information is impossible. I would like to see a forum t
hat is specific to our common interests and that we can control better.
>
> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com and
created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we all ne
ed to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one person be invo
lved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on, the others can pic
kup the forum. One possible solution is that one of you has registered twin
commanders.com. That could be pointed at my server and both domains would r
esolve to the same place for now but could be different later.
>
> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if so
mething were to happen to the person owning the server, that others can have
it transferred to another server.
>
> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing t
he forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the popular
sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size limits and o
ther possible problems in that situation as well as costs involved that I'm m
ore than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich but I do have the money t
o cover the server and operational costs. I just want somewhere that we can
all gather and discuss what interests us about the Commanders family and no
t have to join an email list that I have a hard time keeping track of conver
sations or Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>
> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to be
some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so far. I c
an't believe an engine failure would cause something like that unless power w
as added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that I haven't begun to
fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope he recovers and gets ba
ck to flying soon.
>
> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>
> Glenn
> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed o
n landing at Boise ID airport.
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no pers
on by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very concern
ed and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video: https://www.facebook.com/COMMA
NDERFLIGHT
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico hMail
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vita
l Commander forum?
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
> Adam,
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to www.
twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in quotes be
cause it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN regist
er to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is r
easonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all over t
he globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash after an a
erobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the thousands ever
y day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommoda
tes posts from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Many o
f the articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded from the o
riginal CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on th
e facebook page. There are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be a
ble to explain more about these resources as they have been intimately invol
ved in shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others' contrib
utions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and p
iston Commanders there.
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used productively. T
he burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to follow the domain, too.
I kept it up for a generation and it is not really used in its current form
.
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital Co
mmander forum?
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
> 1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ th
at seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted somet
hing there before finding this email list that to this day still has not bee
n responded to. Why?
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to leave
it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why d
oes no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as i
t and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list?
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps a
ll of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone stu
ck on the email list?
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams <williams.ericlofton@gmail.
com> wrote:
mail.com>
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, but i
t kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is availa
ble, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was the correct
manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again
, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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So am I.
I just capitulated to some verbal diarrhea about Facebook, not
necessarily singing its praises.
The email list was working when it was the only practical medium.
There are so many more practical solutions out there today, it seems
wise to use them. The domain aerocommander.com is available if it is
needed. I am willing to promote such a closed group on my facebook page,
which has hundreds of Commander pilots from all over the world who would
certainly consider joining.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Boelte
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
I am in agreement with Keith and Glen.
Kindest regards,
Bill
On Oct 2, 2015, at 13:12, "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote:
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching
videos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in
personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person
instead of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit
then pops back in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
And that's where I am, too.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hancock <glennh@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
So my 2 cents:
First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do I
want to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get in
touch with like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the
question comes down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sorts
or a forum. To understand the difference you'd only have to go to
facebook and try to find a conversation that got started 2 months ago
that you were participating in or going to a forum and doing the same.
The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entire
conversation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than a
bunch of people posting comments about this that or the other and there
is no easy way to search through history or to find a specific topic you
might be interested in, and post a comment.
I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook as
those people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commander.
I'm only interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the
planes today that can help me and that I might be able to help.
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching
videos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in
personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person
instead of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit
then pops back in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
Glenn
On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
I don't disagree with you, guys.
I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business,
political, religious and aviation.
Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no
possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to keep
Facebook alive.
Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep my
customer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response basis.
We are looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is what I
think we may consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is limited to
subscribers only.
Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under
assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me
against the coming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the
Occident to totalitarianism.
Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty
one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a
generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching more
truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have ever used. Education
in good moral values which sustain liberty, peace and prosperity only
counts in quality if quantity gets to see it.
I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I
cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I
owned a straight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I put
on her. However, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating matter
to me, which is why I broadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero
Commanders. The helicopter flop and breakup into the ocean after an
aerobatic maneuver gone bad, for example, reached almost 90,000 people!
For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree
that a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the majority
of the people visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight pages, might not
be able to make a productive contribution anyway. We would want to see
Morris, the Metzgers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others
become members of such a portal.
That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site
might serve our purpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS
records and costs of ownership. I belong to a secret page on some other
forum and only invited members can participate, see the postings, and
can be expelled for misbehavior and other counterproductive issues. It
just prevents having another userid and password floating around for
most folks.
If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to
whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum
would be established.
Just my take on things.
Thanks for the feedback.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem
is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post
pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow
conversations or search for specific information is impossible. I would
like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and that we
can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if
something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing
the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the
popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size
limits and other possible problems in that situation as well as costs
involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich
but I do have the money to cover the server and operational costs. I
just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what interests us
about the Commanders family and not have to join an email list that I
have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have
to filter through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to
be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
on landing at Boise ID airport.
The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
prayers.
Read all about it with pictures and video:
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico
hMail
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in
quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my
ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital
Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
something there before finding this email list that to this day still
has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to
leave it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question
is, why does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored
as badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using
this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
<williams.ericlofton@gmail.com> wrote:
<williams.ericlofton@gmail.com>
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote:
>
<adam@adamfrisch.com>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available,
but it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
is available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that
was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell
and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
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