---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/04/15: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: Stunning photos of 680V in flight. (BobsV35B@aol.com) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Glenn Hancock) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Glenn Hancock) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 5. 09:17 AM - [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (stratobee) 6. 09:31 AM - Re: Stunning photos of 680V in flight. (Gil Walker) 7. 11:09 AM - Re: New (Free) Aviation App (gbrasch) 8. 12:00 PM - Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS (Gil Walker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:40 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Stunning photos of 680V in flight. Hi Chris, Did you note the Aztec in the group photo? Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 10/4/2015 1:27:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, adam@adamfrisch.com writes: http://igor113.livejournal.com/445871.html ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS From: Glenn Hancock Russell, It would be nice if the current Forum link on twincommander.org pointed to twincommandergroup.com to allow people quick access to the forum no matter which site we enter from. I've added a link to the top of the forum to get back to twincommander.org and listed it as the parent site. We can tweak this anyway you guys want as my end goal is to give us a more organized way to communicate. I would like to maintain control over the site at least in the beginning since I do this for a living and can get things done a lot faster than most. After its up and running I'm perfectly fine with transferring ownership to someone else or giving access to others that want it. I am also taking your updates and posting them onto the forum. If that is not ok, let me know and I'll remove them. I have had a few people call me for updates because they didn't have time to go back through emails trying to figure out what was going on. So figured it would be the best way to deal with it. In the goal of getting the forum going I'm also posting a few others posts over there and giving them credit for them. Thanks, Glenn On 10/3/15 11:13 PM, Russell Legg wrote: > G'day Adam, > > My apologies for not having made contact earlier. > > The Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) website at > www.twincommander.org was developed by > Barry Colman (Aero Commander historian) and myself (with help from > Gabe Fernandez) to provide a definitive and detailed knowledge base > for current owners, prospective owners and otherwise interested persons. > The website was 'gifted' to James (Jimbob) and Sue Metzger to maintain > on behalf of the TCFG at the 2011 Flyin at Carson City. The website > URL www.twincommander.org is owned by > Jim & Sue, and passwords to 'Member's Only section were issued to > financial members of the Group. > At the time it was considered that 'financial membership' of the Group > be a reasonable incentive to facilitate access to the significant > repository of resources and technical information which had been > gathered (at some financial costs). > Over the years since, the website has been 'tweaked' by Sue, but in > recent times this has not been possible. > There is considerable scope to further develop some areas of the website. > > The email forum associated with the TCFG (Twin Commander Flight Group) > was established back in 2001 and over the years provided an > exceptional forum for technical discussions on a wide range of AD/SBs > and hosted detailed discussions on most piston Models. The TCFG > website provided an immediate link to this forum. > > It is fair to say that the email medium has waned in its effectiveness > over the past five years, and there is definitely 'connection' issues > with several TCFG members and the /Matronics/ mainframe. Some members > have been unable to 'broadcast' to the forum, with these problems > continuing despite some intervention by /Matronics./ > It is fair to say that in the past, discussions focussed on turbine > Models have been limited, probably mainly due to the TCFG not having > had many turbine owner members. > > The TCAC (Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation) sponsored a rejuvenated > forum for turbine owners (several years ago) and certainly hosted > early turbine Model discussions - I am unsure of its current status. > > Some years ago, Nicu developed the Aero Commander Facebook forum and > much of the 'social' discussion within the TCFG has subsequently (and > popularly) migrated to this forum. > > The past two weeks have been tumultuous for JImbob and Sue, but while > at the hospital Sue & I found time to discuss a 'new' email forum > possibility and we would be very supportive of any new initiative that > yourself or yourself and Glen were able to produce on behalf of the Group. > We would simply ask that you find a way to link the website > (www.twincommander.org ) with the new > email forum to facilitate optimum future connectivity. > > Cheers > > Russell > > Russell Legg > VH-CAU > Model 560E s/n 726 > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 1:17 AM, stratobee > wrote: > > > > > So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? > I can do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who > already owns the best suitable domain name? I did register > www.twincommanders.com the other day. > > Best, > A. > > -------- > Adam > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615 > > > ========== > br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS From: Glenn Hancock Nico, I also posted a link back to the facebook site from the forum. I'm going to clean things up this week and make it look better, right now just trying to get the important parts up. Thanks, Glenn On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote: > > Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS > crashed on landing at Boise ID airport. > > > > The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no > person by that name in the hospital. Weird. > > > > I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very > concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers. > > > > Read all about it with pictures and video: > https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Nico > hMail > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get > a vital Commander forum? > > > > The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list > > > > Adam, > > > > I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com > domain, which is forwarded to www.twincommander.org > where TCFG's web page is located. I put > "own" in quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I > just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries. > > > > I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight > facebook page. It is > reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all > over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter > crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing > by the thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. > The facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero > Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other > technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years > ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There > are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain > more about these resources as they have been intimately involved in > shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others' > contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of > turbines and piston Commanders there. > > > > If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used > productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to > follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not > really used in its current form. > > > > If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know. > > > > Thanks > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > *From:*owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Glenn Hancock > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a > vital Commander forum? > > > > So I'm a bit confused: > > 1) There is already a site at > http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to > commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there > before finding this email list that to this day still has not been > responded to. Why? > > 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com > and plan to leave it up as long as > you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one > use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it > and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list? > > The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it > keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old > topics. > > Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone > stuck on the email list? > > Thanks, > > Glenn > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams > > > wrote: > > > > > Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com > sound good to me. > > > > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee > wrote: > > > > > > > > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com > is available, but it kind of suggest > turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com > is available, and so is > aerocommanderforum.com , but I'm not > sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under > Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > -------- > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > > --glenn hancock > > > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag > you down to their level and beat you with experience. > > > > * * > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > * * > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:43 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS Hi Gil, I do not have photos of Jim=99s plane. I only saw the images included in the news article I found on the internet. Below is a message from Morris Kernick regarding Jim=99s condition. Randy Randy: Last contact I had with them, Jim is improving. He is in intensive care after one of may surgeries he will need. His son sent me pictures, the airplane is destroyed, N numbers are still useable, the tail separated just forward of the dorsal fin, one engine gear box, & propeller broke off the engine, cockpit & fuselage is badly damaged to behind the pilot seat area, both outboard wing sections are bent up about 30 degrees. He is lucky to have survived. Morris logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS Randy could you send the photo's of Jim's plane to me . I missed them if they were posted here . Also I would like to know how Jim is doing . Thanks Gil Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:19 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" wrote: Has anyone got information on how Jim Metzger is doing..?? From the photos, it looks like the plane is a total loss. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F/N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote: Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up tonight. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a login. Let me know if you have any issues Glenn On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee > wrote: So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the other day. Best, A. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615 br> ander-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. -- --glenn hancock You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:51 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS From: "stratobee" Great Glenn! Good initiative. And maybe even in the future we could get Twin Commander Inc to point their more or less dead forum this way, too. That way, we're all in the same place. Going over to register now. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447633#447633 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Stunning photos of 680V in flight. From: Gil Walker Do you know what city the Commander is based ? Gil Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2015, at 1:26 AM, "stratobee" wrote: > > > This, I think is former N11HM, now in Russian RA registration. In any case, on Igor's website there are some fantastic photos taken of it flying a display and also in formation with a Cessna Mustang. What a beauty! > > http://igor113.livejournal.com/445871.html > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447627#447627 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:33 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App From: "gbrasch" Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) Tucson, Arizona Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447654#447654 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS From: Gil Walker Thank you. , lucky Guy. ! Thanks for the up date on Jim . Gil Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2015, at 9:43 AM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" w rote: > > Hi Gil, > I do not have photos of Jim=99s plane. I only saw the images includ ed in the news article I found on the internet. Below is a message from Mor ris Kernick regarding Jim=99s condition. > > Randy > > Randy: Last contact I had with them, Jim is improving. He is in intensiv e care after one of may surgeries he will need. His son sent me pictures, t he airplane is destroyed, N numbers are still useable, the tail separated ju st forward of the dorsal fin, one engine gear box, & propeller broke off the engine, cockpit & fuselage is badly damaged to behind the pilot seat area, b oth outboard wing sections are bent up about 30 degrees. He is lucky to hav e survived. Morris > > > > > Dettmer Architecture > 663 Hill Street > San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 > 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 > www.dettmerarchitecture.com > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 4:46 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS > > Randy could you send the photo's of Jim's plane to me . I missed them if t hey were posted here . Also I would like to know how Jim is doing . Thanks G il > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:19 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" w rote: > > Has anyone got information on how Jim Metzger is doing..?? =46rom the pho tos, it looks like the plane is a total loss. > > Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB > 680F/N6253X > > > > Dettmer Architecture > 663 Hill Street > San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 > 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 > www.dettmerarchitecture.com > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:57 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS > > Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com > > > > On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote: > Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up to night. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a login. Let me know if you have any issues > > > Glenn > > On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee wrote: > > So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can d o it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns the b est suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the other da y. > > Best, > A. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615 > > > > > > > > ========== > br> ander-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Comma nder-List > ========== > FORUMS - > _blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > --glenn hancock > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you d own to their level and beat you with experience. > > > > > -- > --glenn hancock > > You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. 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