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2. 03:30 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (William J Hamilton)
3. 03:43 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (John Vormbaum)
4. 08:12 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (William J Hamilton)
5. 08:26 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (Kerry Johnson)
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Subject: | FW: Landing in New Zealand |
LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..
Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand you
could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is specta
cular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live video feed
from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to amuse and bed
azzle their weary travellers. Most of the new Generation Aircraft , in the
last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed Cabin, for PTVs ( Per
sonal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put it on the Main screens
during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for some Time ! This is the
descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice the mountain range he is fl
ying toward. It must take great faith in your instruments to pilot an appro
ach like this but the rush must be amazing.
Cockpit view landing through thick cloud<http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilo
tnewzdalnd1>
(Please open to Full Screen)
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Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
Folks,=0AThis is an example of the capability of modern GPS based naviga
tion=0Asystems.=0AThe aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must b
e certified to=0ARequired Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning tr
ack keeping to=0A+/- 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guid
ance, to=0Aaccuracy close to a G/S.=0AQantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zea
land separately developed their=0Aproprietary procedures and crew traini
ng necessary for their=0Aoperations, and it had been hugely beneficial b
oth for arrival and=0Adeparture reliability, for departure it has also e
nabled a B737-800 to=0Alift a considerably greater payload, making Queen
stown direct to a=0Agreater range of Australian destinations possible.
=0AQueenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.=0AThe whole
of the south island of NZ has some truly=C2- spectacular=0Aflying, bu
t if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are=0Aalways so
me equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.=0AComing from Wana
ka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend=0Aof mine who has s
pent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A,=0Awe sat in the up
side of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising=0A"top of the green",
with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up=0A--- great way to k
eep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas=0Aprices.=0ACommonly comi
ng over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have=0Afound myself wit
h approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and=0Aclimbing 2000 fpm.=0A
In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend=0Aove
r the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.=0ATheir are=C2- n
umber of airfields in China=C2- where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet,=0Afor one) ha
s made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on=0AYouTube.=0A
Cheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom:=0A com
mander-list@matronics.com=0A=0ATo:=0A"commander-list@matronics.com" <com
mander-list@matronics.com>=0ACc:=0A=0ASent:=0AWed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53
=C2- =0A=0ALANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..=0A=0A=C2
-=0A=0A=C2-=0AKnown as the land of the long white cloud, if you f
ly into New Zealand=0Ayou could well encounter this scenario.=C2- Hold
on to your seat.=C2- This=0Ais spectacular.=C2- One wonders why the
airline industry doesn't have a=0Alive video feed from the aircraft's n
ose streamed into the cabin in=0Aorder to amuse and bedazzle their weary
travellers.=C2-MOST OF THE NEW=0AGENERATION AIRCRAFT , IN THE LAST 10
YRS OR SO DO HAVE CAMERAS,=0ACONNECTED TO FEED=C2- CABIN, FOR PTVS (
PERSONAL TVS ON SEATS )OR THE=0ACABIN SUPERVISOR DOES PUT IT ON THE MAI
N SCREENS DURING TAKEOFF AND=0ALANDINGS ! ! ITS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME
!=C2-This is the descent into=0AQueenstown,=C2-=0ANew Zealand .=C2
- Notice the mountain range he is flying toward.=0A=C2-=0AIt must ta
ke great faith in your instruments to pilot an approach like=0Athis but
the rush must be amazing.=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=0A=0ACOCKPIT VI
EW=C2-LANDING THROUGH THICK CLOUD [1]=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A
=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A(Please open to Full Screen)=0A=0A=C2-
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p://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1=0A
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Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
Bill, you=99ve done the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-).
I=99m plenty happy swimming around in the shallows of the
mini-mountain-waves of the Sierra Nevada mountains here in California,
and getting my 1-3 hours of actual IMC time each year
That being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young
500B owner that I might have ended up in a bad spot were it not for the
tutelage of Morris.
Cheers,
/J
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> This is an example of the capability of modern GPS based navigation
systems.
> The aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to
Required Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to
+/- 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guidance, to accuracy
close to a G/S.
> Qantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their
proprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their operations,
and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and departure
reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to lift a
considerably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a greater
range of Australian destinations possible.
> Queenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.
> The whole of the south island of NZ has some truly spectacular
flying, but if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are
always some equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.
> Coming from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend
of mine who has spent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A,
we sat in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising "top
of the green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up ---
great way to keep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas prices.
> Commonly coming over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have
found myself with approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and
climbing 2000 fpm.
> In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend
over the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.
> Their are number of airfields in China where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet, for
one) has made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on
YouTube.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> commander-list@matronics.com
>
> To:
> "commander-list@matronics.com" <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53 +0000
> Subject:
> Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand
>
>
>
>
> LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..
>
>
>
>
> Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New
Zealand you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat.
This is spectacular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have
a live video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in
order to amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers. Most of the new
Generation Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras,
connected to feed Cabin, for PTVs ( Personal TVs on Seats )or the cabin
Supervisor does put it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings !
! Its been there for some Time ! This is the descent into Queenstown,
New Zealand . Notice the mountain range he is flying toward. It must
take great faith in your instruments to pilot an approach like this but
the rush must be amazing.
>
>
> Cockpit view=C2-landing through thick cloud
<http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (Please open to Full Screen)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email sent using Optus Webmail
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Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
John=0AOver the years, I have had "some interesting experiences" over th
e=0ASierra Nevadas, but only at high level, I am glad my first experienc
es=0Aof same were with more senior colleagues, to whom it came as no=0As
urprise -- all in a day's work.=0AIt is quite startling how far east of
Denver the lee-waves from the=0Afront range can extend, it's a matter o
f "strap in and hang on".=0ASame thing happens over the Andes --- or alm
ost anywhere the mountains=0Aare around 90 degrees to the prevailing win
ds.=0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom:
=0A commander-list@matronics.com=0A=0ATo:=0A<commander-list@matronics.co
m>=0ACc:=0A=0ASent:=0AWed, 20 Apr 2016 15:42:36 -0700=0ASubject:=0ARe: C
ommander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand=0A=0A Bill, you=99ve don
e the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-).=0AI=99m plenty happ
y swimming around in the shallows of the=0Amini-mountain-waves of the Si
erra Nevada mountains here in California,=0Aand getting my 1-3 hours of
actual IMC time each year=0A=0AThat being said, there was more
than one occasion when I was a young=0A500B owner that I might have end
ed up in a bad spot were it not for=0Athe tutelage of Morris.=0A=0ACheer
s,=0A=0A/J=0A=0AOn Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton=0A<wjrha
milton@optusnet.com.au [1]> wrote:=0A=0AFolks,=0AThis is an example of t
he capability of modern GPS based navigation=0Asystems.=0AThe aircraft (
for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to=0ARequired Naviga
tional Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to=0A+/- 0.1 NM., pl
us the necessary precision vertical guidance, to=0Aaccuracy close to a G
/S.=0AQantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their
=0Aproprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their=0Aoperat
ions, and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and=0Adeparture
reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to=0Alift a c
onsiderably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a=0Agreater ran
ge of Australian destinations possible.=0AQueenstown is the main entry p
oint to the NZ ski-fields.=0AThe whole of the south island of NZ has som
e truly=C2- spectacular=0Aflying, but if you go there, get well briefe
d by the locals, there are=0Aalways some equally spectacular turbulence
and mountain waves.=0AComing from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion,
with a good friend=0Aof mine who has spent his flying life in these mou
ntains, in the 500A,=0Awe sat in the upside of a rotor for over an hour,
FL 130, cruising=0A"top of the green", with only a trickle of power on
to keep the CHT up=0A--- great way to keep the NAMP down --- particular
ly at NZ avgas=0Aprices.=0ACommonly coming over the hills into Christchu
rch (B747-400) I have=0Afound myself with approach flap, gear down, engi
nes at idle, and=0Aclimbing 2000 fpm.=0AIn the B767, there were days whe
n I would overfly NZCH and descend=0Aover the sea, such was the turbulen
ce in the lee-waves.=0ATheir are=C2- number of airfields in China=C2
- where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet,=0Afor one) has made the previously impossib
le, possible. Have a look on=0AYouTube.=0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A-
---- Original Message -----=0AFrom:=0A commander-list@matronics.com [2]
=0A=0ATo:=0A"commander-list@matronics.com [3]" <commander-list@matronics
.com [4]>=0ACc:=0A=0ASent:=0AWed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53 +0000=0ASubject:
=0ACommander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0ALANDIN
G IN NEW ZEALAND..=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0AKnown as the land of
the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand=0Ayou could well enco
unter this scenario.=C2- Hold on to your seat.=C2- This=0Ais spectac
ular.=C2- One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a=0Alive v
ideo feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in=0Aorder to
amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers.=C2-MOST OF THE NEW=0AGENER
ATION AIRCRAFT , IN THE LAST 10 YRS OR SO DO HAVE CAMERAS,=0ACONNECTED T
O FEED=C2- CABIN, FOR PTVS ( PERSONAL TVS ON SEATS )OR THE=0ACABIN SUP
ERVISOR DOES PUT IT ON THE MAIN SCREENS DURING TAKEOFF AND=0ALANDINGS !
! ITS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME !=C2-This is the descent into=0AQueens
town,=C2-=0ANew Zealand .=C2- Notice the mountain range he is flying
toward.=0A=C2-=0AIt must take great faith in your instruments to pilo
t an approach like=0Athis but the rush must be amazing.=0A=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=0A=0ACOCKPIT VIEW=C2-LANDING THROUGH THICK CLOUD [5]
=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A(Please open
to Full Screen)=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A--
-----------------------=0AEmail sent using Optus Webmail =0A=0A=0A=0ALin
ks:=0A------=0A[1] mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au=0A[2] mailto:comma
nder-list@matronics.com=0A[3] mailto:commander-list@matronics.com=0A[4]
mailto:commander-list@matronics.com=0A[5] http://www.chonday.com/Videos
/pilotnewzdalnd1=0A
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Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
That's an awesome video and the music it perfect!
Reminds me of a flight I made in my B60 Duke back in 94-95 from Lake Tahoe
to Monterey. It was severe clear until we got to Monterey where the marine
layer had the field right at minimums, we broke out at 250' AGL right on
centerline.. It's one of those memories I will always have...
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:12 PM, William J Hamilton <
wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> John
> Over the years, I have had "some interesting experiences" over the Sierra
> Nevadas, but only at high level, I am glad my first experiences of same
> were with more senior colleagues, to whom it came as no surprise -- all i
n
> a day's work.
> It is quite startling how far east of Denver the lee-waves from the front
> range can extend, it's a matter of "strap in and hang on".
> Same thing happens over the Andes --- or almost anywhere the mountains ar
e
> around 90 degrees to the prevailing winds.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> commander-list@matronics.com
>
> To:
> <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:42:36 -0700
> Subject:
> Re: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand
>
>
> Bill, you=99ve done the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-). I
=99m plenty
> happy swimming around in the shallows of the mini-mountain-waves of the
> Sierra Nevada mountains here in California, and getting my 1-3 hours of
> actual IMC time each year
>
> That being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young 500B
> owner that I might have ended up in a bad spot were it not for the tutela
ge
> of Morris.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /J
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton <
> wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> This is an example of the capability of modern GPS based navigation
> systems.
> The aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to
> Required Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to +/-
> 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guidance, to accuracy clos
e
> to a G/S.
> Qantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their
> proprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their operations,
> and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and departure
> reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to lift a
> considerably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a greater range
> of Australian destinations possible.
> Queenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.
> The whole of the south island of NZ has some truly spectacular flying,
> but if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are always som
e
> equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.
> Coming from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend of
> mine who has spent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A, we sa
t
> in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising "top of the
> green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up --- great way
to
> keep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas prices.
> Commonly coming over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have found
> myself with approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and climbing 2000
> fpm.
> In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend over
> the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.
> Their are number of airfields in China where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet, for one
)
> has made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on YouTube.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> commander-list@matronics.com
>
> To:
> "commander-list@matronics.com" <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53 +0000
> Subject:
> Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand
>
>
> LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..
>
>
> Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand
> you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is
> spectacular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live
> video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to
> amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers. *Most of the new Generation
> Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed
> Cabin, for PTVs ( Personal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put
> it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for
> some Time ! *This is the descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice
> the mountain range he is flying toward. It must take great faith in your
> instruments to pilot an approach like this but the rush must be amazing.
>
>
> *Cockpit view **l**anding through thick cloud*
> <http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1>
>
>
> (Please open to Full Screen)
>
>
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> Email sent using Optus Webmail
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