---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/20/16: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:55 AM - FW: Landing in New Zealand (Steele, Bob) 2. 03:30 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (William J Hamilton) 3. 03:43 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (John Vormbaum) 4. 08:12 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (William J Hamilton) 5. 08:26 PM - Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand (Kerry Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:20 AM PST US From: "Steele, Bob" Subject: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND.. Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is specta cular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to amuse and bed azzle their weary travellers. Most of the new Generation Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed Cabin, for PTVs ( Per sonal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for some Time ! This is the descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice the mountain range he is fl ying toward. It must take great faith in your instruments to pilot an appro ach like this but the rush must be amazing. Cockpit view landing through thick cloud (Please open to Full Screen) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand From: "William J Hamilton" Folks,=0AThis is an example of the capability of modern GPS based naviga tion=0Asystems.=0AThe aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must b e certified to=0ARequired Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning tr ack keeping to=0A+/- 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guid ance, to=0Aaccuracy close to a G/S.=0AQantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zea land separately developed their=0Aproprietary procedures and crew traini ng necessary for their=0Aoperations, and it had been hugely beneficial b oth for arrival and=0Adeparture reliability, for departure it has also e nabled a B737-800 to=0Alift a considerably greater payload, making Queen stown direct to a=0Agreater range of Australian destinations possible. =0AQueenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.=0AThe whole of the south island of NZ has some truly=C2- spectacular=0Aflying, bu t if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are=0Aalways so me equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.=0AComing from Wana ka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend=0Aof mine who has s pent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A,=0Awe sat in the up side of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising=0A"top of the green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up=0A--- great way to k eep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas=0Aprices.=0ACommonly comi ng over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have=0Afound myself wit h approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and=0Aclimbing 2000 fpm.=0A In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend=0Aove r the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.=0ATheir are=C2- n umber of airfields in China=C2- where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet,=0Afor one) ha s made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on=0AYouTube.=0A Cheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom:=0A com mander-list@matronics.com=0A=0ATo:=0A"commander-list@matronics.com" =0ACc:=0A=0ASent:=0AWed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53 =C2- =0A=0ALANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..=0A=0A=C2 -=0A=0A=C2-=0AKnown as the land of the long white cloud, if you f ly into New Zealand=0Ayou could well encounter this scenario.=C2- Hold on to your seat.=C2- This=0Ais spectacular.=C2- One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a=0Alive video feed from the aircraft's n ose streamed into the cabin in=0Aorder to amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers.=C2-MOST OF THE NEW=0AGENERATION AIRCRAFT , IN THE LAST 10 YRS OR SO DO HAVE CAMERAS,=0ACONNECTED TO FEED=C2- CABIN, FOR PTVS ( PERSONAL TVS ON SEATS )OR THE=0ACABIN SUPERVISOR DOES PUT IT ON THE MAI N SCREENS DURING TAKEOFF AND=0ALANDINGS ! ! ITS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME !=C2-This is the descent into=0AQueenstown,=C2-=0ANew Zealand .=C2 - Notice the mountain range he is flying toward.=0A=C2-=0AIt must ta ke great faith in your instruments to pilot an approach like=0Athis but the rush must be amazing.=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=0A=0ACOCKPIT VI EW=C2-LANDING THROUGH THICK CLOUD [1]=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A(Please open to Full Screen)=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A----------------- --------=0AEmail sent using Optus Webmail=0A=0ALinks:=0A------=0A[1] htt p://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:02 PM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand Bill, you=99ve done the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-). I=99m plenty happy swimming around in the shallows of the mini-mountain-waves of the Sierra Nevada mountains here in California, and getting my 1-3 hours of actual IMC time each year That being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young 500B owner that I might have ended up in a bad spot were it not for the tutelage of Morris. Cheers, /J > On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton wrote: > > Folks, > This is an example of the capability of modern GPS based navigation systems. > The aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to Required Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to +/- 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guidance, to accuracy close to a G/S. > Qantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their proprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their operations, and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and departure reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to lift a considerably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a greater range of Australian destinations possible. > Queenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields. > The whole of the south island of NZ has some truly spectacular flying, but if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are always some equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves. > Coming from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend of mine who has spent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A, we sat in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising "top of the green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up --- great way to keep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas prices. > Commonly coming over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have found myself with approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and climbing 2000 fpm. > In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend over the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves. > Their are number of airfields in China where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet, for one) has made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on YouTube. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > commander-list@matronics.com > > To: > "commander-list@matronics.com" > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53 +0000 > Subject: > Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand > > > > > LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND.. > > > > > Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is spectacular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers. Most of the new Generation Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed Cabin, for PTVs ( Personal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for some Time ! This is the descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice the mountain range he is flying toward. It must take great faith in your instruments to pilot an approach like this but the rush must be amazing. > > > Cockpit view=C2-landing through thick cloud > > > > > > > (Please open to Full Screen) > > > > > > > > > > > Email sent using Optus Webmail ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand From: "William J Hamilton" John=0AOver the years, I have had "some interesting experiences" over th e=0ASierra Nevadas, but only at high level, I am glad my first experienc es=0Aof same were with more senior colleagues, to whom it came as no=0As urprise -- all in a day's work.=0AIt is quite startling how far east of Denver the lee-waves from the=0Afront range can extend, it's a matter o f "strap in and hang on".=0ASame thing happens over the Andes --- or alm ost anywhere the mountains=0Aare around 90 degrees to the prevailing win ds.=0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: =0A commander-list@matronics.com=0A=0ATo:=0A=0ACc:=0A=0ASent:=0AWed, 20 Apr 2016 15:42:36 -0700=0ASubject:=0ARe: C ommander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand=0A=0A Bill, you=99ve don e the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-).=0AI=99m plenty happ y swimming around in the shallows of the=0Amini-mountain-waves of the Si erra Nevada mountains here in California,=0Aand getting my 1-3 hours of actual IMC time each year=0A=0AThat being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young=0A500B owner that I might have end ed up in a bad spot were it not for=0Athe tutelage of Morris.=0A=0ACheer s,=0A=0A/J=0A=0AOn Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton=0A wrote:=0A=0AFolks,=0AThis is an example of t he capability of modern GPS based navigation=0Asystems.=0AThe aircraft ( for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to=0ARequired Naviga tional Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to=0A+/- 0.1 NM., pl us the necessary precision vertical guidance, to=0Aaccuracy close to a G /S.=0AQantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their =0Aproprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their=0Aoperat ions, and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and=0Adeparture reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to=0Alift a c onsiderably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a=0Agreater ran ge of Australian destinations possible.=0AQueenstown is the main entry p oint to the NZ ski-fields.=0AThe whole of the south island of NZ has som e truly=C2- spectacular=0Aflying, but if you go there, get well briefe d by the locals, there are=0Aalways some equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.=0AComing from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend=0Aof mine who has spent his flying life in these mou ntains, in the 500A,=0Awe sat in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising=0A"top of the green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up=0A--- great way to keep the NAMP down --- particular ly at NZ avgas=0Aprices.=0ACommonly coming over the hills into Christchu rch (B747-400) I have=0Afound myself with approach flap, gear down, engi nes at idle, and=0Aclimbing 2000 fpm.=0AIn the B767, there were days whe n I would overfly NZCH and descend=0Aover the sea, such was the turbulen ce in the lee-waves.=0ATheir are=C2- number of airfields in China=C2 - where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet,=0Afor one) has made the previously impossib le, possible. Have a look on=0AYouTube.=0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A- ---- Original Message -----=0AFrom:=0A commander-list@matronics.com [2] =0A=0ATo:=0A"commander-list@matronics.com [3]" =0ACc:=0A=0ASent:=0AWed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53 +0000=0ASubject: =0ACommander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0ALANDIN G IN NEW ZEALAND..=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0AKnown as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand=0Ayou could well enco unter this scenario.=C2- Hold on to your seat.=C2- This=0Ais spectac ular.=C2- One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a=0Alive v ideo feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in=0Aorder to amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers.=C2-MOST OF THE NEW=0AGENER ATION AIRCRAFT , IN THE LAST 10 YRS OR SO DO HAVE CAMERAS,=0ACONNECTED T O FEED=C2- CABIN, FOR PTVS ( PERSONAL TVS ON SEATS )OR THE=0ACABIN SUP ERVISOR DOES PUT IT ON THE MAIN SCREENS DURING TAKEOFF AND=0ALANDINGS ! ! ITS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME !=C2-This is the descent into=0AQueens town,=C2-=0ANew Zealand .=C2- Notice the mountain range he is flying toward.=0A=C2-=0AIt must take great faith in your instruments to pilo t an approach like=0Athis but the rush must be amazing.=0A=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=0A=0ACOCKPIT VIEW=C2-LANDING THROUGH THICK CLOUD [5] =0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A(Please open to Full Screen)=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A-- -----------------------=0AEmail sent using Optus Webmail =0A=0A=0A=0ALin ks:=0A------=0A[1] mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au=0A[2] mailto:comma nder-list@matronics.com=0A[3] mailto:commander-list@matronics.com=0A[4] mailto:commander-list@matronics.com=0A[5] http://www.chonday.com/Videos /pilotnewzdalnd1=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand From: Kerry Johnson That's an awesome video and the music it perfect! Reminds me of a flight I made in my B60 Duke back in 94-95 from Lake Tahoe to Monterey. It was severe clear until we got to Monterey where the marine layer had the field right at minimums, we broke out at 250' AGL right on centerline.. It's one of those memories I will always have... On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:12 PM, William J Hamilton < wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > John > Over the years, I have had "some interesting experiences" over the Sierra > Nevadas, but only at high level, I am glad my first experiences of same > were with more senior colleagues, to whom it came as no surprise -- all i n > a day's work. > It is quite startling how far east of Denver the lee-waves from the front > range can extend, it's a matter of "strap in and hang on". > Same thing happens over the Andes --- or almost anywhere the mountains ar e > around 90 degrees to the prevailing winds. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > commander-list@matronics.com > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:42:36 -0700 > Subject: > Re: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand > > > Bill, you=99ve done the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-). I =99m plenty > happy swimming around in the shallows of the mini-mountain-waves of the > Sierra Nevada mountains here in California, and getting my 1-3 hours of > actual IMC time each year > > That being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young 500B > owner that I might have ended up in a bad spot were it not for the tutela ge > of Morris. > > Cheers, > > /J > > On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton < > wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Folks, > This is an example of the capability of modern GPS based navigation > systems. > The aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to > Required Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to +/- > 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guidance, to accuracy clos e > to a G/S. > Qantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their > proprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their operations, > and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and departure > reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to lift a > considerably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a greater range > of Australian destinations possible. > Queenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields. > The whole of the south island of NZ has some truly spectacular flying, > but if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are always som e > equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves. > Coming from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend of > mine who has spent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A, we sa t > in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising "top of the > green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up --- great way to > keep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas prices. > Commonly coming over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have found > myself with approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and climbing 2000 > fpm. > In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend over > the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves. > Their are number of airfields in China where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet, for one ) > has made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on YouTube. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > commander-list@matronics.com > > To: > "commander-list@matronics.com" > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53 +0000 > Subject: > Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand > > > LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND.. > > > Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand > you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is > spectacular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live > video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to > amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers. *Most of the new Generation > Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed > Cabin, for PTVs ( Personal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put > it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for > some Time ! *This is the descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice > the mountain range he is flying toward. It must take great faith in your > instruments to pilot an approach like this but the rush must be amazing. > > > *Cockpit view **l**anding through thick cloud* > > > > (Please open to Full Screen) > > > ------------------------------ > Email sent using Optus Webmail > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.