---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/21/16: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:10 AM - Flap Gap Seals (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 2. 11:23 AM - Re: Flap Gap Seals (Nick Martin (Nick@container.com)) 3. 03:19 PM - Re: Flap Gap Seals (CloudCraft) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:47 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Commander-List: Flap Gap Seals Hello Commander Fans, Want to share a recent experience regarding flap gap seals. My 680F has flap gap seals top and bottom. On a recent flight, the right top inboard flap gap seal came loose, flew back and impacted the right horizontal stabilizer. The impact caused a 2" diameter gouge in the leading edge of the stabilizer along with other dents and scrapes. I was not aware of the damage until noticing the gouge while re-fueling the airplane. I was able to acquire a new replacement leading edge from Nick at AeroAir (Hillsboro, OR 503 640 3711). Gary Gadberry (Aircenter, Chattanooga, TN 423 893 5444) was able to provide a replacement flap gap seal. Turns out that the rivets failed on the flap gap seal and the seal just peeled away. If you have flap gap seals on your Commander, I encourage you to inspect the condition of the rivets regularly. We replaced several rivets on the other flap gap seals on the plane. Airplane was grounded for about 3 weeks for acquisition of parts and replacement. Happy and safe flying. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB t: 805 541 4864 rcdettmer@dettmerarchitecture.com San Francisco I Los Angeles I San Luis Obispo ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:13 AM PST US From: "Nick Martin (Nick@container.com)" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flap Gap Seals Randy, Thank you for the info . Nick Martin N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:09 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flap Gap Seals Hello Commander Fans, Want to share a recent experience regarding flap gap seals. My 680F has fl ap gap seals top and bottom. On a recent flight, the right top inboard fla p gap seal came loose, flew back and impacted the right horizontal stabiliz er. The impact caused a 2" diameter gouge in the leading edge of the stabi lizer along with other dents and scrapes. I was not aware of the damage un til noticing the gouge while re-fueling the airplane. I was able to acquir e a new replacement leading edge from Nick at AeroAir (Hillsboro, OR 503 6 40 3711). Gary Gadberry (Aircenter, Chattanooga, TN 423 893 5444) was abl e to provide a replacement flap gap seal. Turns out that the rivets failed on the flap gap seal and the seal just peeled away. If you have flap gap seals on your Commander, I encourage you to inspect the condition of the r ivets regularly. We replaced several rivets on the other flap gap seals on the plane. Airplane was grounded for about 3 weeks for acquisition of par ts and replacement. Happy and safe flying. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X [cid:image001.jpg@01D25B7C.9178EFA0] Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB t: 805 541 4864 rcdettmer@dettmerarchitecture.com San Francisco I Los Angeles I San Luis Obispo ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flap Gap Seals From: CloudCraft UmFuZHksClNvcnJ5IHRvIGhlYXIgYWJvdXQgdGhlIGZsYXAgZ2FwIHNlYWwgZGViYWNsZSwgeWV0 IGF0IHRoZSBzYW1lIHRpbWUgZ2xhZCB0byBoZWFyIHlvdSdyZSBzdGlsbCBmbHlpbmcgTjYyNTNY LgpNZXJyeSBDaHJpc3RtYXMgdG8geW91IGFuZCBhbGwgaW4gQ29tbWFuZGVyIExhbmQsCktlaXRo IFMgR29yZG9uU2VudCBvbiB0aGUgZmx5IPCfjJAKLS0tLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgbWVzc2FnZSAt LS0tLS0tLUZyb206ICJSYW5keSBEZXR0bWVyLCBBSUEiIDxyY2RldHRtZXJAY2hhcnRlci5uZXQ+ IERhdGU6IDEyLzIxLzE2ICAxMTowOSAgKEdNVC0wODowMCkgVG86IGNvbW1hbmRlci1saXN0QG1h dHJvbmljcy5jb20gU3ViamVjdDogQ29tbWFuZGVyLUxpc3Q6IEZsYXAgR2FwIFNlYWxzIApIZWxs byBDb21tYW5kZXIgRmFucyxXYW50IHRvIHNoYXJlIGEgcmVjZW50IGV4cGVyaWVuY2UgcmVnYXJk aW5nIGZsYXAgZ2FwIHNlYWxzLsKgIE15IDY4MEYgaGFzIGZsYXAgZ2FwIHNlYWxzIHRvcCBhbmQg Ym90dG9tLsKgIE9uIGEgcmVjZW50IGZsaWdodCwgdGhlIHJpZ2h0IHRvcCBpbmJvYXJkIGZsYXAg Z2FwIHNlYWwgY2FtZSBsb29zZSwgZmxldyBiYWNrIGFuZCBpbXBhY3RlZCB0aGUgcmlnaHQgaG9y aXpvbnRhbCBzdGFiaWxpemVyLsKgIFRoZSBpbXBhY3QgY2F1c2VkIGEgMuKAnSBkaWFtZXRlciBn b3VnZSBpbiB0aGUgbGVhZGluZyBlZGdlIG9mIHRoZSBzdGFiaWxpemVyIGFsb25nIHdpdGggb3Ro ZXIgZGVudHMgYW5kIHNjcmFwZXMuwqAgSSB3YXMgbm90IGF3YXJlIG9mIHRoZSBkYW1hZ2UgdW50 aWwgbm90aWNpbmcgdGhlIGdvdWdlIHdoaWxlIHJlLWZ1ZWxpbmcgdGhlIGFpcnBsYW5lLsKgIEkg d2FzIGFibGUgdG8gYWNxdWlyZSBhIG5ldyByZXBsYWNlbWVudCBsZWFkaW5nIGVkZ2UgZnJvbSBO aWNrIGF0IEFlcm9BaXIgKEhpbGxzYm9ybywgT1LCoCA1MDMgNjQwIDM3MTEpLsKgIEdhcnkgR2Fk YmVycnkgKEFpcmNlbnRlciwgQ2hhdHRhbm9vZ2EsIFROwqAgNDIzIDg5MyA1NDQ0KSB3YXMgYWJs ZSB0byBwcm92aWRlIGEgcmVwbGFjZW1lbnQgZmxhcCBnYXAgc2VhbC7CoCBUdXJucyBvdXQgdGhh dCB0aGUgcml2ZXRzIGZhaWxlZCBvbiB0aGUgZmxhcCBnYXAgc2VhbCBhbmQgdGhlIHNlYWwganVz dCBwZWVsZWQgYXdheS7CoCBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSBmbGFwIGdhcCBzZWFscyBvbiB5b3VyIENvbW1h bmRlciwgSSBlbmNvdXJhZ2UgeW91IHRvIGluc3BlY3QgdGhlwqAgY29uZGl0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSBy aXZldHMgcmVndWxhcmx5LsKgIFdlIHJlcGxhY2VkIHNldmVyYWwgcml2ZXRzIG9uIHRoZSBvdGhl ciBmbGFwIGdhcCBzZWFscyBvbiB0aGUgcGxhbmUuwqAgQWlycGxhbmUgd2FzIGdyb3VuZGVkIGZv ciBhYm91dCAzIHdlZWtzIGZvciBhY3F1aXNpdGlvbiBvZiBwYXJ0cyBhbmQgcmVwbGFjZW1lbnQu wqAgSGFwcHkgYW5kIHNhZmUgZmx5aW5nLsKgUmFuZHkgRGV0dG1lciwgQUlBLCBOQ0FSQjY4MEYg LyBONjI1M1jCoFJhbmR5IERldHRtZXIsIEFJQSwgTkNBUkJ0OiA4MDUgNTQxIDQ4NjRyY2RldHRt ZXJAZGV0dG1lcmFyY2hpdGVjdHVyZS5jb21TYW4gRnJhbmNpc2NvIEkgTG9zIEFuZ2VsZXMgSSBT YW4gTHVpcyBPYmlzcG/CoMKg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.