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1. 12:44 PM - Certified Engine question (Ben Charvet)
2. 01:51 PM - Re: Certified Engine question (Deems Herring)
3. 08:44 PM - Re: Certified Engine question (eclarsen81@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Certified Engine question |
I had installed a used Continental A-65 on my recently finished
project. In the process of getting ready for my airworthiness
inspection with the FAA we did a compression test and found one cylinder
to be low(35/80). The engine ran great but did have a lot of blow-by.
Oil pressure was appx 25 at idle and mid 30's above 1200 rpm. I pulled
the weak cylinder and found that the #1 rod bearing has excessive wear.
I mean like you can do the push pull thing and feel slop. The engine
came with log books, was 1500 SMOH, but I was hoping to get through
phase 1 flight testing, since the logbook compressions were all good.
Basically I understand now the engine needs a total rebuild.
So here is my question.. I am no an A&P, but have lots of experience
rebuilding engines of both air cooled and water cooled all in
automobiles. I'm confident I can do this myself. I already had started
overhauling parts prior to finding this engine and have a rebuilt case,
crank, and cam. I've been told that to call my engine a Continental
A-65 and leave the data plate on, that all this work would need to be
signed off by an A&P. I have a certified Sensenich wood prop installed
and was hoping for a 25 hr Phase 1. All the paperwork is already sent
in the the FAA and the inspection is scheduled for Dec 4. So if I do
this work myself , do I call it a Ben Charvet 65 HP? Bet that would
drive the insurance folks nuts.
I also have one other option. I have my trusty old Baby Ace that is in
bad need of a restoration, but has a 350 SMOH A-75 with a McCaulley
metal prop (would help my W&B). I was really hoping to keep flying the
Baby Ace right up till my first flight in the Piet, but I could just
swap that engine on, change the paperwork with the FAA, and rebuild the
A-65 at my convenience while restoring the Baby Ace at some later date.
I was really hoping to sell the Baby Ace, but its not worth more than
its engine/prop anyway.
This is without a doubt the longest post I've ever made, but this is a
tough choice.
My main question is: If a non-certified mechanic rebuilds a certified
engine, can you legally leave the data plate on? Is it still a
Continental A-65 legally as far as the FAA/Insurance companies are
concerned?
Thanks
Ben Charvet
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| Subject: | Certified Engine question |
There is no requirement to remove the data plate or stop calling it a Conti
nental. You actually have several options. If you can find an A&P who will
supervise and sign off the work you do you can do that. If you want to perf
orm the work without supervision then you make an engine log entry that it
was built or experimental use. "Overhaul" has a specific meaning to the FAA
and you should not put that in the log unless you meet the FAA requirement
s for an overhaul. The requirement for phase 1 is a certified design=2C the
experimental engines and "kits" supplied by the engine manufactures are ro
utinely given the 25 phase 1.
If anyone tells you the data plate needs to be removed=2C ask them politely
which FAA regulation requires that (there isn't one).
Deems
I've been told that to call my engine a Continental
> A-65 and leave the data plate on=2C that all this work would need to be
> signed off by an A&P.
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| Subject: | Re: Certified Engine question |
Ben,
As stated in a previous post, leave the tag on, there is no
requirement to remove it or modify it under the current regulations.
If to reduce your insurance costs it would benefit you to maintain the
engine in a certified state, the money would be well spent to find an
IA and complete the overhaul under his supervision, completing your
yearly condition inspections with an A&P or P rated mechanic inspecting
the motor. Should the engine be sold in the future, it could be done so
as a certified motor.
Barring that, taking the role on yourself, the next entry after the
removed from previous aircraft should be that the motor was installed
on your aircraft, identified for experimental use in accordance with
(reg). Additional entries should be the repair or overhaul completed,
again in accordance with (overhaul manual). Include serial numbers,
work order numbers, and repair stations so that you can reference them
to future AD's.
Keeping accurate records adds value to the motor should you sell it in
the future. As far as AD's, when it is operated and maintained as
experimental, you have the choice to comply or not.
Apply for your repairman certificate as well, that should help keep
insurance lower as well.
Disclaimer: these are my thoughts and opinions only, your own may vary.
Good luck.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
continental-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 3:40 pm
Subject: Continental-List: Certified Engine question
<sniped from original posting>
My main question is: If a non-certified mechanic rebuilds a certified
engine, can you legally leave the data plate on? Is it still a
Continental A-65 legally as far as the FAA/Insurance companies are
concerned?
Thanks
Ben Charvet
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