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Thu 12/15/11


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     1. 06:33 AM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (FLYaDIVE)
     2. 07:49 AM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (Lyle Fast)
     3. 08:34 AM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (FLYaDIVE)
     4. 08:55 PM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (Lyle Fast)
     5. 10:17 PM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (Peter W Johnson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:33:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pre oiling new rebuild
    From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
    Peter: Did you remove the remove the front oil plug to see if the oil made it all the way up front? Barry On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Hi,**** > > ** ** > > I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve > incorporated in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil > pressure outlet on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the > cylinder pumping oil into all engine cavities.**** > > ** ** > > All worked well.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > ** ** > > Peter**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyle Fast > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2011 10:43 AM > *To:* continental-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild**** > > ** ** > > What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January. > > Lyle > **** > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:15:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild > From: flyadive@gmail.com > To: continental-list@matronics.com > > J: **** > > ** ** > > I use the OIL COOLER threads.**** > > ** ** > > I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil > Plugs on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and > SEE if the oil reaches the front of the engine.**** > > ** ** > > As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the > engine? If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil.**** > > ** ** > > BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil > for break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since > new.**** > > ** ** > > Barry**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote:**** > > I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first > startup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil > filter, oil pressure sender, oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the > front of the case? Also, how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the > year in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net **** > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > *_blank>www.aeroelectric.com* > > */" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com* > > *=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com* > > *=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > *List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > *=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.buildersbooks.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 07:49:48 AM PST US
    From: Lyle Fast <lylefast@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Pre oiling new rebuild
    That sounds about right=2C I'll see if I can find a clean one. What are people thinking about ground run ups during break in? This engine has not run since rebuild and won't fly till next summer. I would like to p rove it runs=2C tune it and do some static runs with the new prop out side my shop in cool/cold conditions. I can monitor CHT and have been thinking a bout auxiliary cooling air for these runs. I understand low rpm running is not good but what about static runs at close to 70% rpm/power? Lyle From: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild Hi=2C I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve incorporat ed in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil pressure out let on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the cylinder pu mping oil into all engine cavities. All worked well. Cheers Peter From: owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-continental -list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Fast Sent: Thursday=2C 15 December 2011 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January. Lyle Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild From: flyadive@gmail.com J: I use the OIL COOLER threads. I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil Plugs on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and SEE if the oil reaches the front of the engine. As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the engine? If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil. BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil fo r break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since ne w. Barry On Wed=2C Dec 14=2C 2011 at 11:50 AM=2C Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote : I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first s tartup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil filt er=2C oil pressure sender=2C oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the fro nt of the case? Also=2C how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the y ear in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net _bl ank>www.aeroelectric.com/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com=_blank>w ww.homebuilthelp.com=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributionList" ta rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-Listttp://foru ms.matronics.com=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution www.aeroe lectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.c om/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-Listhttp://fo rums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 08:34:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pre oiling new rebuild
    From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
    Lyle: Ground Run-Up are NOT recommended. Engine shops have CLUBS (Small Diameter Props usually made of wood to keep them light) for ground run-ups. A standard prop will not reach the required RPM and the engine will not reach break-in temperatures. You also will not cool the engine properly. More damage will be done ground running than flying for 300 hours. <-- Rule of thumb. I have installed and broken in about 6 engines - I NEVER ran the engine on the ground for more time than to adjust idle, mixture and movement of cables. GO FLY! Barry On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Lyle Fast <lylefast@hotmail.com> wrote: > That sounds about right, I'll see if I can find a clean one. > What are people thinking about ground run ups during break in? This engine > has not run since rebuild and won't fly till next summer. I would like to > prove it runs, tune it and do some static runs with the new prop out side > my shop in cool/cold conditions. I can monitor CHT and have been thinking > about auxiliary cooling air for these runs. I understand low rpm running is > not good but what about static runs at close to 70% rpm/power? > Lyle > > ------------------------------ > From: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > > To: continental-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:14:20 +1100 > > > Hi, > > > I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve > incorporated in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil > pressure outlet on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the > cylinder pumping oil into all engine cavities. > > > All worked well. > > > Cheers > > > Peter > > > *From:* owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyle Fast > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2011 10:43 AM > *To:* continental-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild > > > What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January. > > Lyle > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:15:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild > From: flyadive@gmail.com > To: continental-list@matronics.com > > J: > > > I use the OIL COOLER threads. > > > I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil > Plugs on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and > SEE if the oil reaches the front of the engine. > > > As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the > engine? If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil. > > > BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil > for break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since > new. > > > Barry > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote: > > I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first > startup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil > filter, oil pressure sender, oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the > front of the case? Also, how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the > year in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net > > > * * > > * * > > *_blank>www.aeroelectric.com* > > */" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com* > > *=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com* > > *=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > *List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > *=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.buildersbooks.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 08:55:54 PM PST US
    From: Lyle Fast <lylefast@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Pre oiling new rebuild
    Barry=2C Nice clear answer=2C nothing wishy washy about that! Thanks=2C Lyle Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild From: flyadive@gmail.com Lyle: Ground Run-Up are NOT recommended. Engine shops have CLUBS (Small Diameter Props usually made of wood to keep them light) for ground run-ups. A standard prop will not reach the required RPM and the engine will not rea ch break-in temperatures. You also will not cool the engine properly. More damage will be done ground running than flying for 300 hours. <-- Rule of thumb. I have installed and broken in about 6 engines - I NEVER ran the engine on the ground for more time than to adjust idle=2C mixture and movement of cab les. GO FLY! Barry On Thu=2C Dec 15=2C 2011 at 10:47 AM=2C Lyle Fast <lylefast@hotmail.com> wr ote: That sounds about right=2C I'll see if I can find a clean one. What are people thinking about ground run ups during break in? This engine has not run since rebuild and won't fly till next summer. I would like to p rove it runs=2C tune it and do some static runs with the new prop out side my shop in cool/cold conditions. I can monitor CHT and have been thinking a bout auxiliary cooling air for these runs. I understand low rpm running is not good but what about static runs at close to 70% rpm/power? Lyle From: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild Hi=2C I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve incorporat ed in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil pressure out let on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the cylinder pu mping oil into all engine cavities. All worked well. Cheers Peter From: owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-continental -list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Fast Sent: Thursday=2C 15 December 2011 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January. Lyle Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild From: flyadive@gmail.com J: I use the OIL COOLER threads. I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil Plugs on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and SEE if the oil reaches the front of the engine. As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the engine? If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil. BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil fo r break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since ne w. Barry On Wed=2C Dec 14=2C 2011 at 11:50 AM=2C Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote : I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first s tartup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil filt er=2C oil pressure sender=2C oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the fro nt of the case? Also=2C how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the y ear in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net _bl ank>www.aeroelectric.com/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com=_blank>w ww.homebuilthelp.com=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributionList" ta rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-Listttp://foru ms.matronics.com=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution www.aeroe lectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.c om/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-Listhttp://fo rums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 10:17:06 PM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Pre oiling new rebuild
    Barry, No, I just pumped oil into the pressure gauge hole and all worked perfectly after. Cheers Peter From: owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE Sent: Friday, 16 December 2011 1:31 AM Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild Peter: Did you remove the remove the front oil plug to see if the oil made it all the way up front? Barry On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hi, I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve incorporated in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil pressure outlet on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the cylinder pumping oil into all engine cavities. All worked well. Cheers Peter From: owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Fast Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2011 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January. Lyle _____ Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild From: flyadive@gmail.com J: I use the OIL COOLER threads. I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil Plugs on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and SEE if the oil reaches the front of the engine. As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the engine? If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil. BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil for break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since new. Barry On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote: I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first startup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil filter, oil pressure sender, oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the front of the case? Also, how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the year in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution




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