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2. 07:49 AM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (Lyle Fast)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (FLYaDIVE)
4. 08:55 PM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (Lyle Fast)
5. 10:17 PM - Re: Pre oiling new rebuild (Peter W Johnson)
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Subject: | Re: Pre oiling new rebuild |
Peter:
Did you remove the remove the front oil plug to see if the oil made it all
the way up front?
Barry
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>wrote:
> Hi,****
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> I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve
> incorporated in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil
> pressure outlet on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the
> cylinder pumping oil into all engine cavities.****
>
> ** **
>
> All worked well.****
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers****
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> ** **
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> Peter****
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> *From:* owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyle Fast
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2011 10:43 AM
> *To:* continental-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild****
>
> ** **
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> What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January.
>
> Lyle
> ****
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:15:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
> From: flyadive@gmail.com
> To: continental-list@matronics.com
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> J: ****
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> I use the OIL COOLER threads.****
>
> ** **
>
> I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil
> Plugs on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and
> SEE if the oil reaches the front of the engine.****
>
> ** **
>
> As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the
> engine? If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil.****
>
> ** **
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> BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil
> for break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since
> new.****
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> ** **
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> Barry****
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> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote:****
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> I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first
> startup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil
> filter, oil pressure sender, oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the
> front of the case? Also, how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the
> year in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net ****
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Subject: | Pre oiling new rebuild |
That sounds about right=2C I'll see if I can find a clean one.
What are people thinking about ground run ups during break in? This engine
has not run since rebuild and won't fly till next summer. I would like to p
rove it runs=2C tune it and do some static runs with the new prop out side
my shop in cool/cold conditions. I can monitor CHT and have been thinking a
bout auxiliary cooling air for these runs. I understand low rpm running is
not good but what about static runs at close to 70% rpm/power?
Lyle
From: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
Hi=2C
I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve incorporat
ed in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil pressure out
let on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the cylinder pu
mping oil into all engine cavities.
All worked well.
Cheers
Peter
From: owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-continental
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Fast
Sent: Thursday=2C 15 December 2011 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January.
Lyle
Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
From: flyadive@gmail.com
J:
I use the OIL COOLER threads.
I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil Plugs
on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and SEE if
the oil reaches the front of the engine.
As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the engine?
If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil.
BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil fo
r break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since ne
w.
Barry
On Wed=2C Dec 14=2C 2011 at 11:50 AM=2C Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote
:
I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first s
tartup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil filt
er=2C oil pressure sender=2C oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the fro
nt of the case? Also=2C how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the y
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Subject: | Re: Pre oiling new rebuild |
Lyle:
Ground Run-Up are NOT recommended.
Engine shops have CLUBS (Small Diameter Props usually made of wood to keep
them light) for ground run-ups.
A standard prop will not reach the required RPM and the engine will not
reach break-in temperatures.
You also will not cool the engine properly.
More damage will be done ground running than flying for 300 hours. <-- Rule
of thumb.
I have installed and broken in about 6 engines - I NEVER ran the engine on
the ground for more time than to adjust idle, mixture and movement of
cables.
GO FLY!
Barry
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Lyle Fast <lylefast@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That sounds about right, I'll see if I can find a clean one.
> What are people thinking about ground run ups during break in? This engine
> has not run since rebuild and won't fly till next summer. I would like to
> prove it runs, tune it and do some static runs with the new prop out side
> my shop in cool/cold conditions. I can monitor CHT and have been thinking
> about auxiliary cooling air for these runs. I understand low rpm running is
> not good but what about static runs at close to 70% rpm/power?
> Lyle
>
> ------------------------------
> From: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
>
> To: continental-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:14:20 +1100
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve
> incorporated in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil
> pressure outlet on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the
> cylinder pumping oil into all engine cavities.
>
>
> All worked well.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Peter
>
>
> *From:* owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyle Fast
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2011 10:43 AM
> *To:* continental-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
>
>
> What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January.
>
> Lyle
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:15:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
> From: flyadive@gmail.com
> To: continental-list@matronics.com
>
> J:
>
>
> I use the OIL COOLER threads.
>
>
> I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil
> Plugs on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and
> SEE if the oil reaches the front of the engine.
>
>
> As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the
> engine? If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil.
>
>
> BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil
> for break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since
> new.
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote:
>
> I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first
> startup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil
> filter, oil pressure sender, oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the
> front of the case? Also, how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the
> year in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net
>
>
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Subject: | Pre oiling new rebuild |
Barry=2C
Nice clear answer=2C nothing wishy washy about that!
Thanks=2C Lyle
Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
From: flyadive@gmail.com
Lyle:
Ground Run-Up are NOT recommended.
Engine shops have CLUBS (Small Diameter Props usually made of wood to keep
them light) for ground run-ups.
A standard prop will not reach the required RPM and the engine will not rea
ch break-in temperatures.
You also will not cool the engine properly.
More damage will be done ground running than flying for 300 hours. <-- Rule
of thumb.
I have installed and broken in about 6 engines - I NEVER ran the engine on
the ground for more time than to adjust idle=2C mixture and movement of cab
les.
GO FLY!
Barry
On Thu=2C Dec 15=2C 2011 at 10:47 AM=2C Lyle Fast <lylefast@hotmail.com> wr
ote:
That sounds about right=2C I'll see if I can find a clean one.
What are people thinking about ground run ups during break in? This engine
has not run since rebuild and won't fly till next summer. I would like to p
rove it runs=2C tune it and do some static runs with the new prop out side
my shop in cool/cold conditions. I can monitor CHT and have been thinking a
bout auxiliary cooling air for these runs. I understand low rpm running is
not good but what about static runs at close to 70% rpm/power?
Lyle
From: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
Hi=2C
I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve incorporat
ed in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil pressure out
let on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the cylinder pu
mping oil into all engine cavities.
All worked well.
Cheers
Peter
From: owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-continental
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Fast
Sent: Thursday=2C 15 December 2011 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January.
Lyle
Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
From: flyadive@gmail.com
J:
I use the OIL COOLER threads.
I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil Plugs
on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and SEE if
the oil reaches the front of the engine.
As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the engine?
If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil.
BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil fo
r break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since ne
w.
Barry
On Wed=2C Dec 14=2C 2011 at 11:50 AM=2C Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote
:
I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first s
tartup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil filt
er=2C oil pressure sender=2C oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the fro
nt of the case? Also=2C how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the y
ear in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net _bl
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Subject: | Pre oiling new rebuild |
Barry,
No, I just pumped oil into the pressure gauge hole and all worked perfectly
after.
Cheers
Peter
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[mailto:owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2011 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
Peter:
Did you remove the remove the front oil plug to see if the oil made it all
the way up front?
Barry
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
Hi,
I used an old gas cylinder (5 pounds ish!) with a schrader valve
incorporated in the top of the cylinder and a hose connecting to the oil
pressure outlet on the engine. I used a small compressor to pressurise the
cylinder pumping oil into all engine cavities.
All worked well.
Cheers
Peter
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[mailto:owner-continental-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Fast
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2011 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
What did you use as a pressure source? I am starting a C85 in January.
Lyle
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Subject: Re: Continental-List: Pre oiling new rebuild
From: flyadive@gmail.com
J:
I use the OIL COOLER threads.
I want to do this but have not had the chance: Remove one of the Oil Plugs
on the front of the engine. Pump the oil in at the Oil Cooler and SEE if
the oil reaches the front of the engine.
As for the type of oil: 20W-50 Multi grade. Are yo breaking in the engine?
If so Philips makes a recommended 20W-50 Non-AD oil.
BUT! Times they are a changing... Some Mfg. now recommend 20W-50 AD oil for
break-in. And that is the way I went. No Problem... 550+ Hrs since new.
Barry
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Zimmermans <jezim@pro-ns.net> wrote:
I have a fresh rebuilt 0-200 that I want to pressure oil before the first
startup. Where is the best place to hook the pressure line in? The oil
filter, oil pressure sender, oil temp sender or one of the plugs in the
front of the case? Also, how about 30 weight break-in oil this time of the
year in Minnesota? 20 degrees F. Thanks jezim@pro-ns.net
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