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| Subject: | Re: Continental-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/28/13 |
Hi Barry,
"So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?"
You should not have taken off because you could not contact ATC via RCO. Call FSS
on the phone and get a freq. Here's how it works.
Call FSS on the phone before you take off and file a flight plan. When you file,
FSS will give you a frequency to use to open your flight plan after take off.
To pop up and to expect service is akin to butting in line. Find your CFI and
ask how this works if you still have questions.
I don't want my Airport Improvement Program (AIP) fund fees to pay for tower staffing.
Towers are for airlines. Airlines and their passengers have twisted Congress's
arm to force the FAA to take my money from my AIP fund to staff their
towers so they can make their money and operate with no inconvenience to themselves.
Meanwhile, my airport won't be able to fix the damn potholes in the taxiways.
The sequester is supposed to be inconvenient. That's the point.
Eric
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> 1. 08:03 PM - Great Flight - Bad Freq's (FLYaDIVE)
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>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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>Time: 08:03:31 PM PST US
>Subject: Continental-List: Great Flight - Bad Freq's
>From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
>
>Gang:
>
>Maybe this is slightly related to the FAA inspector and the POH issue.
>Saturday, I had a Great Flight out to Nantucket (KACK) for
>the Daffodil Festival. But it did not start out that way.
>I was flying out of Solberg (N51) in NJ. They have a VOR right on the
>field that has been down for maintenance for a while and there is a RCO for
>NY TRACON either in the VOR building or very close by. Well, I tried about
>6 times while on the ground to contact NYAPCH... Three times on each radio
>- No luck - Then I tried once more, after I got to pattern altitude - No
>luck - So I changed frequency to 132.8 - No luck, of course I tried a few
>times on each Comm. Then switch frequencies to 126.4 and 127.8 - NO LUCK!
> While all of this radio work was going on I slowed down the plane and
>stayed at 2500' so as not to bust the NY Class B. I was flying with Susan
>and she suggested I contact Morristown (KMMU) since, we were getting close
>to their airspace. GREAT SUGGESTION! When I contacted them I explained I
>could NOT raise NY APCH on any of the frequencies, they told me to
>"stand-by". . . . . . . . . . They said, try 120.4, now that frequency is
>NOT on my Cheat Sheet of 10 frequencies. I gave them a call and BINGO!
> Not the fuel - ATC Answered. I Requested my heading and an altitude of
>5500' - They cleared me into Class B, on my heading and to my requested
>altitude.
>
>So, what went wrong with the other four frequencies and the 19 times of
>trying to contact them?
>And how does this relate to the POH issue?
>It was suggested that the FAA is protesting the obama Budget Cuts - This
>could be their own version of the Blue Flu or an obama Backfire. Now, we
>all pick on the FAA at some point or another. But, if this is what is
>truly happening, the FAA could use our help and it is time that us GA
>pilots stand behind the FAA. Matter of fact, we should do something. If
>this is the way it is NOW before the tower closings it will only get worse
>once the towers are closed... Flight Following FORGET IT! Remember the
>Pay As You Go proposal that was voted down? If the towers close, how do
>you think they will get the money to reopen them? PAY AS YOU GO! ! !
>So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?
>
>*Barry*
>
>*PS: GANG - Put that frequency on your Cheat Sheet.*
>
>*VOR (SBJ) - Still Down - They are transmitting voice and radial signal -
>But, there is NO Morse Code. You know what that means!*
>
>*=93Chop=92d Liver=94*
>
>*"The reason Benjamin Franklin was such a great inventor was everything lay
>before him. The reason why we don't have great inventors today is,
>everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel"*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/28/13 |
Eric:
You are misinformed. To start with I am the one asking who should I
contact. First off will be both my congressmen and representatives.
Unfortunately NJ had Lautenberg (D), he is very anti-aviation. Sorry to
say this but NJ congressman affect the Nations policies.
Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. But that has NOTHING to
do with accessing the Class B. Filing a S&R has NOTHING to do with the
decision of taking off or not taking off, there is NO reason why one should
not take off. The more used method is to file on the ground and ACTIVATE
in the air. The other method is to file on the ground and give them a
AIRBORNE time when the S&R is to be a ACTIVATED. This is just like in the
IFR procedure when you are given a Clearance By time. The very strong
point to remember is: If you FAIL to be airborne within 15 minutes AFTER
your prescribed time you MUST close the flight plan. Failure to do so will
activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. So, do you see
the difference between a S&R and just getting clearance into the Class B?
So, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions."
Third: You are not keeping up with what is happening to GA. The AIP does
NOT affect all airports. You have to apply for it and MANY airports prefer
to keep the government out of their business, Solberg is one of them - They
are privately owned. That does NOT mean they are a private airport!
Fourth: Towers - Think about why towers were put in place? They were put
there because that airport became busy - It also might be located very
close to another busy airport (see KMMU & KCDW) AND they are designed to
control air traffic departing and arriving as well as ground control.
Don't confuse Towers with ATC.
Fifth: Towers - Our economy stinks. People are out of work. AND YOU want
to accept the obama Budget Cuts the obama backfire... I backfire also but
I call it a FART! And you want to:
* ALLOW the government to put MORE people out of work?
* ALLOW the government to PURPOSELY make the sky dangerous?
Where do you thing that is going? Its going to the elimination of GA!
What do you think the media is going to do with the first Mid-Air Accident
that happens over a closed Tower Airport, especially when there is a school
or hospital below? I can see it now - ELIMINATE G.A. - - These people
should NOT have pilot licenses - - - O! My GOD! The Children on the
ground, the people in the hospitals. <--- Can you open your eyes and see!
* ALLOW the government to put PEOPLE in danger - People - Maybe your family
and friends to fly in Commercial airliners and not have control towers.
AND don't forget about those Commercial Captains - - - They were once
students and CFI's. You want put ALL these people in danger just so the
government can make things "inconvenient"!
Eric, I'm sorry I don't know how to be polite here, I know I am not PC, nor
will I ever be PC. But, Eric - Get your head out of your asshole and think
and look what is going on!
Oh, If your airport is part of the AIP, and the potholes and not getting
fixed... ASK WHY NOT! They have the money! And, if money is still the
issue - Offer to pass a petition around to all the pilot/owners requesting
them to pay higher tie-down fees or raise the gas prices. I'm sure they
will LOVE you.
Gas prices - My airport is getting at least $2.00 per gallon OVER the
wholesale price. And have you noticed in the past month MoGas has
decreased $0.50 per gallon. Why not AvGas?
Any man or woman that successfully runs a household can balance the Nation
budget. It is simple - Don't spend more than you make! O! But wait, the
Nation does not MAKE anything - Except POTHOLES.
Sorry Gang, I did not want to turn this into a political thing. I didn't!
Not in the way Eric did. But, I will not turn my cheek and get slapped
with the loss of GA.
Barry
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>wrote:
> eschlanser@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> "So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?"
>
> You should not have taken off because you could not contact ATC via RCO.
> Call FSS on the phone and get a freq. Here's how it works.
>
> Call FSS on the phone before you take off and file a flight plan. When you
> file, FSS will give you a frequency to use to open your flight plan after
> take off. To pop up and to expect service is akin to butting in line. Find
> your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions.
>
> I don't want my Airport Improvement Program (AIP) fund fees to pay for
> tower staffing. Towers are for airlines. Airlines and their passengers have
> twisted Congress's arm to force the FAA to take my money from my AIP fund
> to staff their towers so they can make their money and operate with no
> inconvenience to themselves. Meanwhile, my airport won't be able to fix the
> damn potholes in the taxiways. The sequester is supposed to be
> inconvenient. That's the point.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Continental-List Digest Server <continental-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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> >such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
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> > 1. 08:03 PM - Great Flight - Bad Freq's (FLYaDIVE)
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> >Time: 08:03:31 PM PST US
> >Subject: Continental-List: Great Flight - Bad Freq's
> >From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> >
> >Gang:
> >
> >Maybe this is slightly related to the FAA inspector and the POH issue.
> >Saturday, I had a Great Flight out to Nantucket (KACK) for
> >the Daffodil Festival. But it did not start out that way.
> >I was flying out of Solberg (N51) in NJ. They have a VOR right on the
> >field that has been down for maintenance for a while and there is a RCO
> for
> >NY TRACON either in the VOR building or very close by. Well, I tried
> about
> >6 times while on the ground to contact NYAPCH... Three times on each
> radio
> >- No luck - Then I tried once more, after I got to pattern altitude - No
> >luck - So I changed frequency to 132.8 - No luck, of course I tried a few
> >times on each Comm. Then switch frequencies to 126.4 and 127.8 - NO LUCK!
> > While all of this radio work was going on I slowed down the plane and
> >stayed at 2500' so as not to bust the NY Class B. I was flying with Susan
> >and she suggested I contact Morristown (KMMU) since, we were getting close
> >to their airspace. GREAT SUGGESTION! When I contacted them I explained I
> >could NOT raise NY APCH on any of the frequencies, they told me to
> >"stand-by". . . . . . . . . . They said, try 120.4, now that frequency is
> >NOT on my Cheat Sheet of 10 frequencies. I gave them a call and BINGO!
> > Not the fuel - ATC Answered. I Requested my heading and an altitude of
> >5500' - They cleared me into Class B, on my heading and to my requested
> >altitude.
> >
> >So, what went wrong with the other four frequencies and the 19 times of
> >trying to contact them?
> >And how does this relate to the POH issue?
> >It was suggested that the FAA is protesting the obama Budget Cuts - This
> >could be their own version of the Blue Flu or an obama Backfire. Now, we
> >all pick on the FAA at some point or another. But, if this is what is
> >truly happening, the FAA could use our help and it is time that us GA
> >pilots stand behind the FAA. Matter of fact, we should do something. If
> >this is the way it is NOW before the tower closings it will only get worse
> >once the towers are closed... Flight Following FORGET IT! Remember the
> >Pay As You Go proposal that was voted down? If the towers close, how do
> >you think they will get the money to reopen them? PAY AS YOU GO! ! !
> >So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?
> >
> >*Barry*
> >
> >*PS: GANG - Put that frequency on your Cheat Sheet.*
> >
> >*VOR (SBJ) - Still Down - They are transmitting voice and radial signal -
> >But, there is NO Morse Code. You know what that means!*
> >
> >*=93Chop=92d Liver=94*
> >
> >*"The reason Benjamin Franklin was such a great inventor was everything
> lay
> >before him. The reason why we don't have great inventors today is,
> >everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel"*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/28/13 |
"Barry",
I hardly know where to start with this. Hopefully, the moderator will put this
whole thread where it belongs. Certainly do not archive. It's not about Continentals
and I apologize to all the other list members for responding at all.
By your own admission your have a poor attitude. A poor attitude such as you displayed
in the air as well as in your rant is a well known hazard to flight safety.
The fact that you had so much trouble navigating around Class B airspace
should also be a wake up call. You said you were asking here for help on who
to contact. I tried to help you, but ended up being personally attacked.
My post will be to other pilots who may be misinformed by your mistaken ideas on
Flight Plans.
1. First, there is no such thing as a S&R Flight Plan
2. Second, the time frame for Search and Rescue efforts (SAR) to be initiated is
30 minutes after failing to report, not 15 minutes.
3. Contacting FSS for a Flight Briefing before filing a Flight Plan will give access
to the Notams system. Notams will include among other things, notice of
changes in communications.
Reference AIM 6-2-7
g. VFR Search and Rescue Protection.
1. To receive this valuable protection, file a VFR
or DVFR Flight Plan with an FAA FSS. For
maximum protection, file only to the point of first
intended landing, and refile for each leg to final
destination. When a lengthy flight plan is filed, with
several stops en route and an ETE to final destination,
a mishap could occur on any leg, and unless other
information is received, it is probable that no one
would start looking for you until 30 minutes after
your ETA at your final destination.
Reference AIM 5114. Closing VFR/DVFR Flight Plans
A pilot is responsible for ensuring that his/her VFR or
DVFR flight plan is canceled. You should close your
flight plan with the nearest FSS, or if one is not
available, you may request any ATC facility to relay
your cancellation to the FSS.Control towers do not
automatically close VFR or DVFR flight plans since
they do not know if a particular VFR aircraft is on a
flight plan. If you fail to report or cancel your flight
plan within 1/2 hour after your ETA, search and rescue
procedures are started.
REFERENCE
14 CFR Section 91.153.
14 CFR Section 91.169.
Reference 513. Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) System
a. Time-critical aeronautical information which
is of either a temporary nature or not sufficiently
known in advance to permit publication on
aeronautical charts or in other operational publications receives immediate dissemination
via the
National NOTAM System.
NOTE
1. NOTAM information is that aeronautical information
that could affect a pilots decision to make a flight. It
includes such information as airport or aerodrome
primary runway closures, taxiways, ramps, obstructions,
communications, airspace, changes in the status of
navigational aids, ILSs, radar service availability, and
other information essential to planned en route, terminal,
or landing operations.
Good luck,
Eric.
Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. But that has NOTHING to do with
accessing the Class B. Filing a S&R has NOTHING to do with the decision of
taking off or not taking off, there is NOreasonwhy one should not take off. The
more used method is to file on the ground and ACTIVATE in the air. The other
method is to file on the ground and give them a AIRBORNE time when the S&R is
to be a ACTIVATED. This is just like in the IFR procedure when you are given
a Clearance By time. The very strong point to remember is: If you FAIL to be
airborne within 15 minutes AFTER your prescribed time you MUST close the flight
plan. Failure to do so will activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. So,
do you see thedifferencebetween a S&R and just getting clearance into the Class
B? So, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions."
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399625#399625
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| Subject: | Re: Continental-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/28/13 |
Eric:
YOU hardly know where to begin?
I can see why - You don't READ!
And I will take this off the engine forum and respond directly to you.
I did not navigat AROUND I went through - The Class B.
The rest of this will be sent to you directly.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, eschlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com> wrote:
m
> >
>
> "Barry",
>
> I hardly know where to start with this. Hopefully, the moderator will put
> this whole thread where it belongs. Certainly do not archive. It's not
> about Continentals and I apologize to all the other list members for
> responding at all.
>
> By your own admission your have a poor attitude. A poor attitude such as
> you displayed in the air as well as in your rant is a well known hazard t
o
> flight safety. The fact that you had so much trouble navigating around
> Class B airspace should also be a wake up call. You said you were asking
> here for help on who to contact. I tried to help you, but ended up being
> personally attacked.
>
> My post will be to other pilots who may be misinformed by your mistaken
> ideas on Flight Plans.
> 1. First, there is no such thing as a S&R Flight Plan
> 2. Second, the time frame for Search and Rescue efforts (SAR) to be
> initiated is 30 minutes after failing to report, not 15 minutes.
> 3. Contacting FSS for a Flight Briefing before filing a Flight Plan will
> give access to the Notams system. Notams will include among other things,
> notice of changes in communications.
>
> Reference AIM 6-2-7
> g. VFR Search and Rescue Protection.
> 1. To receive this valuable protection, file a VFR
> or DVFR Flight Plan with an FAA FSS. For
> maximum protection, file only to the point of first
> intended landing, and refile for each leg to final
> destination. When a lengthy flight plan is filed, with
> several stops en route and an ETE to final destination,
> a mishap could occur on any leg, and unless other
> information is received, it is probable that no one
> would start looking for you until 30 minutes after
> your ETA at your final destination.
>
> Reference AIM 5=88=921=88=9214. Closing VFR/DVFR Flight Plans
> A pilot is responsible for ensuring that his/her VFR or
> DVFR flight plan is canceled. You should close your
> flight plan with the nearest FSS, or if one is not
> available, you may request any ATC facility to relay
> your cancellation to the FSS.Control towers do not
> automatically close VFR or DVFR flight plans since
> they do not know if a particular VFR aircraft is on a
> flight plan. If you fail to report or cancel your flight
> plan within 1/2 hour after your ETA, search and rescue
> procedures are started.
> REFERENCE=88=92
> 14 CFR Section 91.153.
> 14 CFR Section 91.169.
>
> Reference 5=88=921=88=923. Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) System
> a. Time-critical aeronautical information which
> is of either a temporary nature or not sufficiently
> known in advance to permit publication on
> aeronautical charts or in other operational publications receives
> immediate dissemination via the
> National NOTAM System.
> NOTE=88=92
> 1. NOTAM information is that aeronautical information
> that could affect a pilot=99s decision to make a flight. It
> includes such information as airport or aerodrome
> primary runway closures, taxiways, ramps, obstructions,
> communications, airspace, changes in the status of
> navigational aids, ILSs, radar service availability, and
> other information essential to planned en route, terminal,
> or landing operations.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Eric.
>
>
> Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. =EF=BDBut that has
NOTHING
> to do with accessing the Class B. =EF=BDFiling a S&R has NOTHING to do
with the
> decision of taking off or not taking off, there is NO=EF=BDreason=EF
=BDwhy one should
> not take off.=EF=BD The more used method is to file on the ground and
ACTIVATE
> in the air. =EF=BDThe other method is to file on the ground and give t
hem a
> AIRBORNE time when the S&R is to be a ACTIVATED. =EF=BDThis is just li
ke in the
> IFR procedure when you are given a Clearance By time. =EF=BDThe very s
trong
> point to remember is: =EF=BDIf you FAIL to be airborne within 15 minut
es AFTER
> your prescribed time you MUST close the flight plan. =EF=BDFailure to
do so will
> activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. =EF=BDSo, do you see
> the=EF=BDdifference=EF=BDbetween a S&R and just getting clearance i
nto the Class B?
> =EF=BDSo, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have ques
tions."=EF=BD
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399625#399625
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/28/13 |
Personally, I was offended by the opinionated remarks about President Obama
by Barry. But, I've learned to keep my mouth shut about politics on
aviation forums.
Have a good day and keep the shiny side up!
Tommy,
Sent from my Xoom Tablet
On Apr 29, 2013 4:05 PM, "FLYaDIVE" <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eric:
>
> YOU hardly know where to begin?
> I can see why - You don't READ!
> And I will take this off the engine forum and respond directly to you.
> I did not navigat AROUND I went through - The Class B.
> The rest of this will be sent to you directly.
>
> Barry
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, eschlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> eschlanser@yahoo.com>
>>
>> "Barry",
>>
>> I hardly know where to start with this. Hopefully, the moderator will pu
t
>> this whole thread where it belongs. Certainly do not archive. It's not
>> about Continentals and I apologize to all the other list members for
>> responding at all.
>>
>> By your own admission your have a poor attitude. A poor attitude such as
>> you displayed in the air as well as in your rant is a well known hazard
to
>> flight safety. The fact that you had so much trouble navigating around
>> Class B airspace should also be a wake up call. You said you were askin
g
>> here for help on who to contact. I tried to help you, but ended up being
>> personally attacked.
>>
>> My post will be to other pilots who may be misinformed by your mistaken
>> ideas on Flight Plans.
>> 1. First, there is no such thing as a S&R Flight Plan
>> 2. Second, the time frame for Search and Rescue efforts (SAR) to be
>> initiated is 30 minutes after failing to report, not 15 minutes.
>> 3. Contacting FSS for a Flight Briefing before filing a Flight Plan will
>> give access to the Notams system. Notams will include among other things
,
>> notice of changes in communications.
>>
>> Reference AIM 6-2-7
>> g. VFR Search and Rescue Protection.
>> 1. To receive this valuable protection, file a VFR
>> or DVFR Flight Plan with an FAA FSS. For
>> maximum protection, file only to the point of first
>> intended landing, and refile for each leg to final
>> destination. When a lengthy flight plan is filed, with
>> several stops en route and an ETE to final destination,
>> a mishap could occur on any leg, and unless other
>> information is received, it is probable that no one
>> would start looking for you until 30 minutes after
>> your ETA at your final destination.
>>
>> Reference AIM 5=88=921=88=9214. Closing VFR/DVFR Flight Plans
>> A pilot is responsible for ensuring that his/her VFR or
>> DVFR flight plan is canceled. You should close your
>> flight plan with the nearest FSS, or if one is not
>> available, you may request any ATC facility to relay
>> your cancellation to the FSS.Control towers do not
>> automatically close VFR or DVFR flight plans since
>> they do not know if a particular VFR aircraft is on a
>> flight plan. If you fail to report or cancel your flight
>> plan within 1/2 hour after your ETA, search and rescue
>> procedures are started.
>> REFERENCE=88=92
>> 14 CFR Section 91.153.
>> 14 CFR Section 91.169.
>>
>> Reference 5=88=921=88=923. Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) System
>> a. Time-critical aeronautical information which
>> is of either a temporary nature or not sufficiently
>> known in advance to permit publication on
>> aeronautical charts or in other operational publications receives
>> immediate dissemination via the
>> National NOTAM System.
>> NOTE=88=92
>> 1. NOTAM information is that aeronautical information
>> that could affect a pilot=99s decision to make a flight. It
>> includes such information as airport or aerodrome
>> primary runway closures, taxiways, ramps, obstructions,
>> communications, airspace, changes in the status of
>> navigational aids, ILSs, radar service availability, and
>> other information essential to planned en route, terminal,
>> or landing operations.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>>
>> Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. =EF=BDBut that has
NOTHING
>> to do with accessing the Class B. =EF=BDFiling a S&R has NOTHING to d
o with the
>> decision of taking off or not taking off, there is NO=EF=BDreason=EF
=BDwhy one should
>> not take off.=EF=BD The more used method is to file on the ground and
ACTIVATE
>> in the air. =EF=BDThe other method is to file on the ground and give
them a
>> AIRBORNE time when the S&R is to be a ACTIVATED. =EF=BDThis is just l
ike in the
>> IFR procedure when you are given a Clearance By time. =EF=BDThe very
strong
>> point to remember is: =EF=BDIf you FAIL to be airborne within 15 minu
tes AFTER
>> your prescribed time you MUST close the flight plan. =EF=BDFailure to
do so will
>> activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. =EF=BDSo, do you see
>> the=EF=BDdifference=EF=BDbetween a S&R and just getting clearance
into the Class B?
>> =EF=BDSo, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have que
stions."=EF=BD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399625#399625
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