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1. 06:43 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] William Wynne out of Business? (Larry McFarland)
2. 11:14 AM - Re: William Wynne out of Business? (MRus597999@aol.com)
3. 02:08 PM - Re: William Wynne out of Business? (roy szarafinski)
4. 04:36 PM - Re: William Wynne out of Business? (Scott Black)
5. 05:08 PM - Re: William Wynne out of Business? (MRus597999@aol.com)
6. 05:11 PM - Re: William Wynne out of Business? (MRus597999@aol.com)
7. 05:46 PM - Re: William Wynne out of Business? (Scott Black)
8. 06:04 PM - Re: William Wynne out of Business? (MRus597999@aol.com)
9. 07:05 PM - Re: CorvairEngines-5th bearing (John Bolding)
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| Subject: | William Wynne out of Business? |
Mike,
This seems to happen over and over with him. He sells and takes money way
before product is ready to ship.
Not sure of his accounting system if there is one, but most people do
eventually get what they order from him.
Don't be afraid to initiate legal action if you feel you've been had.
Perhaps it's time to send registered mail and a reminder from your attorney.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
From: owner-corvairengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-corvairengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
ONeal
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: [Probable Spam] CorvairEngines-List: William Wynne out of Business?
Anybody know what's up with William Wynne?
I paid him for an intake and exhaust in December of 2009 that he has yet to
send me. He hasn't responded to my emails or returned a phone call since
August of last year. Moreover, I haven't seen anything on the web from him
lately either.
It would appear that I am out about eight hundred bucks.
Regards to all,
Mike ONeal
Silverdale WA
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne out of Business? |
After writing some e-mails favorably of another corvair builder, and
receiving some nasty e-mails from some of his ill mannered devotees, (who
tattled on me by forwarding my e-mails to WW) I received a cell phone call from
WW. It was a very respectful and cordial phone conference. I may have
exaggerated some of my statements about WW. For instance I stated he doesn't
stand behind his stuff, however,all who supply to the experimental building
community don't guarantee their products, no one does, for the most part. He
does make some internal engine parts as he has developed his own 5th
bearing, although no better than Wieseman's 5th bearing and about 3 times more
expensive, but so is Roy's Garage setup. (Why any one would buy other than
Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs around 1/3 their 5th bearing
costs.) WW answered some of my issues. However, I followed up on some of his
comments to me about some of his competitors and I fear his information is at
best out of date, as are some of the foul mouthed critics of me. Magnificent
Machines does have aircraft flying with his engines.I watched the video of
Steve Mskisdh's experimental airplane flying with iMM's corevair engine
products quite successfully. Magnificent Machine had one new crank of its
first orders that was defective, and which will be corrected, and MM has
cranks in several other engines.
In any event, I too have had trouble in the past in getting WW products
sent to me in a timely fashion, but I eventually always got what was owed to
me. I would appreciate it if you would keep us up to date on your order.
It's inexcusable what WW has done, or not done, with respect to your order.
I believe WW knowledge as to Corvair engine conversions is very good,
still. But there are others out there who have some good experience and ideas
and to his credit WW agrees with them. I will follow his guidelines as
expressed in his books and videos which I have purchased for the most part and
will use my own discretion in deciding otherwise.
As a retired collections attorney I would turn your claim over to a local
collection agency in Florida and maybe you could get some pressure to send
you your products.
MDR
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne out of Business? |
Mikey, you're cracking me up. How is 1695 three times more than 1100?
I must have skipped class the day they taught fuzzy math. Glad someone
payed attention.
Hey, listen, and keep this under your hat. I still have my fallout
shelter from the 50's and it's well stocked with provisions left over
from Y2K, come on over next year, we'll hang and yuk it up during the
end of the world. We'll have a blast, guaranteed. I'll supply the
beer, you bring the Zoloft, you can teach me fuzzy math and I'll show
you how to hold 2 ten-thousandths on a line bore and explain why it's
a good idea. Consider hoarding some of that Zoloft if you haven't
already. We might be holed up for awhile. But don't worry, the plans
are in place for repopulating the planet. So, for sure, get your plane
done because there is a whole network of like minded folks scattered
far and wide and we need to ensure the proper genetic diversity, and
not take too long doing it.
We're looking for the right sort and you strike me as such.
But first convince me 1695 is three times more than 1100 because I'll
need that logic the further my master plan for the new economy. And
besides, I'll then be able to take the rest of what you say seriously.
Cheers Dude, and all in fun.
On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:10 PM, MRus597999@aol.com wrote:
> He does make some internal engine parts as he has developed his own
> 5th bearing, although no better than Wieseman's 5th bearing and
> about 3 times more expensive, but so is Roy's Garage setup. (Why any
> one would buy other than Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs
> around 1/3 their 5th bearing costs.)
>
>
> MDR
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne out of Business? |
Doesn't Roys bearing include machining the case and line boring and
precision location of the 5th bearing? It would make sense that
providing this service costs money. Am I wrong?
(Why any one would buy other than Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it
costs around 1/3 their 5th bearing costs.)
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne out of Business? |
Well , it has been represented to me, by WW himself, that he charged
around $3k, Roy of Roy's Garage also charged around $3k a while back. But I see
he now charges a lot less. Good. You could've said that also with out the
insults. When I last checked Roy's price was a lot higher and I didn't go
back to his website because it was so high. (Also, I had a chance to
interact a little with him at a Corvair College and "Mr. Warmth" he is not.)
If
WW and Roy have both lowered their prices to $1695 for a 5th
bearing,..fine, (that is still a lot more than Dan's) and it still means you have
to
ship your engine to them to get the work done and who knows how much more it
will cost after that. In any event is not $1695 more than Dan's $1050?
You can support WW, or Roys Garage, with out the insults.
Mike Russell
(PS. Aeromax has a 5th bearing too, But I guess that's going to far to
mention them as this will lead to more insults so just forget I mentioned it.
WW told me he thought they were not in business anymore and other not so
nice things.) The more I think about it I am going to stick with MM. I
know when I order something from him I will get it in a timely manner.
In a message dated 1/26/2011 2:08:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rvickski@yahoo.com writes:
Mikey, you're cracking me up. How is 1695 three times more than 1100? I
must have skipped class the day they taught fuzzy math. Glad someone payed
attention.
Hey, listen, and keep this under your hat. I still have my fallout
shelter from the 50's and it's well stocked with provisions left over from Y2K,
come on over next year, we'll hang and yuk it up during the end of the
world. We'll have a blast, guaranteed. I'll supply the beer, you bring the
Zoloft, you can teach me fuzzy math and I'll show you how to hold 2
ten-thousandths on a line bore and explain why it's a good idea. Consider hoarding
some of that Zoloft if you haven't already. We might be holed up for awhile.
But don't worry, the plans are in place for repopulating the planet. So,
for sure, get your plane done because there is a whole network of like minded
folks scattered far and wide and we need to ensure the proper genetic
diversity, and not take too long doing it.
We're looking for the right sort and you strike me as such.
But first convince me 1695 is three times more than 1100 because I'll need
that logic the further my master plan for the new economy. And besides,
I'll then be able to take the rest of what you say seriously.
Cheers Dude, and all in fun.
On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:10 PM, _MRus597999@aol.com_
(mailto:MRus597999@aol.com) wrote:
He does make some internal engine parts as he has developed his own 5th
bearing, although no better than Wieseman's 5th bearing and about 3 times
more expensive, but so is Roy's Garage setup. (Why any one would buy other
than Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it costs around 1/3 their 5th bearing
costs.)
MDR
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?CorvairEngines-List)
tp://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne out of Business? |
You don't have to do all the stuff that is required with Roy's 5th bearing,
with Dan's setup. Even WW promotes and sells Dan's setup. Nothing wrong
with Roy and I am sure his prices are appropriate. We're trying to save money
in the experimental market and that's why I say all things being equal I
will go with the lowest price.
In a message dated 1/26/2011 4:36:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
scott-black@sympatico.ca writes:
Doesn't Roys bearing include machining the case and line boring and
precision location of the 5th bearing? It would make sense that providing this
service costs money. Am I wrong?
(Why any one would buy other than Wieseman's setup is beyond me as it
costs around 1/3 their 5th bearing costs.)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?CorvairEngines-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne out of Business? |
But you most probably will not get the same high tolerance bearing
alignment. Whether that is really required I don't know.
You don't have to do all the stuff that is required with Roy's 5th
bearing, with Dan's setup.
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne out of Business? |
You make a good point
In a message dated 1/26/2011 5:47:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
scott-black@sympatico.ca writes:
But you most probably will not get the same high tolerance bearing
alignment. Whether that is really required I don't know.
You don't have to do all the stuff that is required with Roy's 5th
bearing, with Dan's setup.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?CorvairEngines-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: CorvairEngines-5th bearing |
A little more homework on the subject might be helpful to understand the
difference.
----- Original Message -----
From: MRus597999@aol.com
To: corvairengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: CorvairEngines-List: William Wynne out of Business?
>> We're trying to save money in the experimental market and that's
why I say all things being equal I will go with the lowest price.
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