CorvairEngines-List Digest Archive

Fri 02/04/11


Total Messages Posted: 6



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 09:21 AM - Re: Corvair - where to get one? (sblack)
     2. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Corvair - where to get one? (MRus597999@aol.com)
     3. 10:45 AM - Re: CorvairEngines-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/03/11 (MRus597999@aol.com)
     4. 11:04 AM - Personal Axe to grind (Garry Williams)
     5. 02:37 PM - Re: Corvair - where to get one? (sblack)
     6. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Corvair - where to get one? (MRus597999@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:21:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair - where to get one?
    From: "sblack" <scott-black@sympatico.ca>
    from Flycorvair.com "Ironically, the specific "new" parts the gentleman was referencing were all made in China. He was promoting the work of a person who imported five Chinese built copies of a Corvair crank, and in spite of no engineering proof, they were sold as "2.5 times stronger than original GM cranks." After the first customer ground ran the engine for 30 minutes, the crank failed at the snout. Close inspection revealed that the Chinese manufacturer had made the crank snout too small and tried to hide it by putting a sleeve on the output end of the crank. " Ouch! Bullet proof eh? -------- Scott Black Montreal Jodel F11 O-200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329595#329595


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    Time: 10:39:33 AM PST US
    From: MRus597999@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Corvair - where to get one?
    The comments of Mr. Black are false. He is an obvious shill for WW. The cranks are working. WW maintains that MM has never built and flown a corvair engine. He has two in planes, or are going into planes, and he is building 3 more. The crank never failed in Makish's plane. All of Makish' parts he got from MM work fine. There were some corrections that were made. The reason why the plane is not flying now has nothing to do with the parts Makish uses from MM, i.e. new crank, pistons and rods. Makish is pleased with them. WW will try and tell you otherwise and he is misrepresenting the facts about MM and his products, PERIOD.. He has even admitted to me that a new crank is better than one that has gone a 100,00 miles or more, ground ,magnaflux and nitrided. The reason why Makish' engine is not running right now has to do with some problem with the heads, which problems are not related to anything MM did, that is also a big PERIOD. However, it is a moot point as of this point in time there is only one new corvair crank left, and contrary to Black's assertions, it is as strong as represented. The other 8 or so have been sold and are being installed or are installed. Unlike the rest of the WW community, which are a bunch of sycophants as far as I am concerned, I go directly to the source, or the source comes to me, I don't listen to hearsay. I want to say very clearly here, that the products and services that WW produces are good ,if not some of the best, and I have no problem with them. However, his criticisms of MM and Aeromax and others, including the criticism he makes of Larry's Corvair cam, (which he has published about Larry's Corvair in his book)are wrong. He can't stand competition I believe. I have no problem with supporting WW products but don't use that support as a pretext to slander competitors. BY the way, since my recent contacts with WW have been generally disagreeable I will no longer use any product of his, should I proceed with the conversions of my prepped and ready to assemble 1964 Corvair 110 hp engine. If anyone wants to buy it let me know. I got something I think will be better anyhow. I have got to finish my 601 xl upgrade first. Frankly, with what I have discovered about WW and how he treats those that don't agree with him I will not have anything to do with him and if he tries to call me again to lecture me his request will go unanswered. Mike Russell


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    Time: 10:45:33 AM PST US
    From: MRus597999@aol.com
    Subject: Re: CorvairEngines-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/03/11
    I am the one who had a long conversation on the phone and I asked him to resolve your problem. Good Luck, Mike Russell


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    Time: 11:04:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Personal Axe to grind
    From: Garry Williams <corvair.flier@gmail.com>
    I can clearly see why so many have dropped off this list. I honestly don't believe this site was intended for that, at least Matt's rules are pretty clear about it. Another unsubscribing builder. Garry Williams EAA - 1031 - http://www.Corvair-Flier.com/ <http://www.corvair-flier.com/> Corvair Powered - 601XL-B Scratch Builder Edinburg, VA


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    Time: 02:37:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair - where to get one?
    From: "sblack" <scott-black@sympatico.ca>
    MRus597999(at)aol.com wrote: > The comments of Mr. Black are false. He is an obvious shill for WW. I can tell you that shilling for WW certainly doesn't pay very well. Never met the man. My opinions are based on his track record, reading his manual and verifying where possible and using engineering judgement based on my 21 yrs of being a degreed aeronautical engineer and a machinist, model maker and pilot/aircraft owner. It is also based on the fact that WWs "failures", or more accurately the weaknesses of the corvair platform are all publicized by him in order to help people fly safely! MM has not show any pictures of their broken crank on their site to explain why it happened. This makes it hard to fault William if he is being not only honest but open. Finally, my opinion is based on what I know of several business men who have tried to have products produced off shore and have run into nightmares. The experience related on WW's website is all completely consistent with their experience. It is a great idea in theory to get a new crank made. Kudos to them for trying. But unless they have some guarantee that these things are well made which would include some sort of quality control, tests to destruction etc one would be taking a very big risk putting one on an airplane. Again, an opinion. Have I held a MM crank? No. Have I tested one? No. Is my opinion based on any first hand experience? No. So I could be totally wrong. But it is hard not to take a person who is an A&P with 22 yrs of experience testing and having built or helped with 100s of engines very seriously. But that is the beauty of this hobby as the late great Bob Hoover (no, the other Bob Hoover) said, "you are your own mechanic". So whatever you put on your airplane I hope it is dependable and every flight is a safe one. William, where is my check? ??? Still waiting. sb -------- Scott Black Montreal Jodel F11 O-200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329654#329654


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    Time: 05:12:15 PM PST US
    From: MRus597999@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Corvair - where to get one?
    It would appear that you are mouthing WW criticisms. Engineer or not, you have no knowledge of MM's products and are relaying WW criticisms without ever getting 1st hand knowledge. Again you only speak from hearsay and blind faith and total belief in anything WW. He is not the be-all and end-all of Corvair knowledge. Again, he repeats some information without any info, e.g. WW's statement published in his book that I bought and read from cover to cover where WW says not to use Larry's Corvair's cam. He admitted to Larry's Corvair he had no knowledge of it, notwithstanding he deliberately and ignorantly decided to tell all to stay away from using Larry's Corvair's cam. Typical! WW states at pages 47-48 about Larry's Corvair Cams as follows: "The best cam is an OT-10 sold by Clark's Corvair. Clark's sells this exclusively, and you cannot get it from other people (not even Larry's Corvairs- do not accepts his "substitute"). " Well this is an untrue statement. When I told Larry's about it, because I was ready to buy some parts, Larry's was totally flabbergasted because they too have built corvair engines for aircraft following WW book. They called and WW admitted he had no knowledge of their cam. . So don't follow blindly WW advice on cams, or anyting else, on blind faith. Check out his assertions also. With respect to Larry's then buy one of his cams. Prove out everything WW says, most of which is correct, but don't let that prevent you from looking at others and their improvements on the corvair aircraft engine. To assume WW has it all is just not so. By the way there is no broken crank to show on MM website, because none of his cranks have broken. It's false to assert or represent otherwise. Mike Russell In a message dated 2/4/2011 2:37:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, scott-black@sympatico.ca writes: --> CorvairEngines-List message posted by: "sblack" <scott-black@sympatico.ca> MRus597999(at)aol.com wrote: > The comments of Mr. Black are false. He is an obvious shill for WW. I can tell you that shilling for WW certainly doesn't pay very well. Never met the man. My opinions are based on his track record, reading his manual and verifying where possible and using engineering judgement based on my 21 yrs of being a degreed aeronautical engineer and a machinist, model maker and pilot/aircraft owner. It is also based on the fact that WWs "failures", or more accurately the weaknesses of the corvair platform are all publicized by him in order to help people fly safely! MM has not show any pictures of their broken crank on their site to explain why it happened. This makes it hard to fault William if he is being not only honest but open. Finally, my opinion is based on what I know of several business men who have tried to have products produced off shore and have run into nightmares. The experience related on WW's website is all completely consistent with their experience. It is a great idea in theory to get a new crank made. Kudos to them for trying. Bu! t unless they have some guarantee that these things are well made which would include some sort of quality control, tests to destruction etc one would be taking a very big risk putting one on an airplane. Again, an opinion. Have I held a MM crank? No. Have I tested one? No. Is my opinion based on any first hand experience? No. So I could be totally wrong. But it is hard not to take a person who is an A&P with 22 yrs of experience testing and having built or helped with 100s of engines very seriously. But that is the beauty of this hobby as the late great Bob Hoover (no, the other Bob Hoover) said, "you are your own mechanic". So whatever you put on your airplane I hope it is dependable and every flight is a safe one. William, where is my check? ??? Still waiting. sb -------- Scott Black Montreal Jodel F11 O-200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329654#329654




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