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                           Rocket-List Digest Archive
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                     Total Messages Posted Sat 08/08/15: 4
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Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:27 PM - Starting problem  (Jim Stone)
     2. 07:09 PM - Re: Starting problem  (Scot Stambaugh)
     3. 08:29 PM - Re: Starting problem  (Vern Little)
     4. 08:42 PM - Re: Starting problem  (Jones15183@aol.com)
 
 
________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 06:27:58 PM PST US
From: Jim Stone <jrstone54@att.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Starting problem


I'm looking for ideas to improve my start up both cold and hot.
I have an IO 540 C4 B5 with a non impulse mag on the upper plugs and Electro
Air Electronic ignition (latest version on the lower plugs), and all aviatio
n plugs.
I removed the slick impulse Mag a year ago after the Slick Rep advised me to
 "get it off that engine before it comes apart and stops your engine".
I have been starting with just the ElectroAir and realized it is not my star
ting technique as much as it is a lack of spark.  ElectroAir told me that th
e system has to measure a pretty fast cranking speed for what seems like a l
ong time before it produces a spark.  This cranking pulls the battery voltag
e down and if the voltage to the ElectroAir controller falls below 11 volts,
 it no longer produces a spark.  Of course I have no indication of no spark o
ther than the obvious no start result.  So with some luck the batteries hold
 up long enough tilI  I get the mixture right, if not, recharge and try late
r.
I'm considering the slick start but it requires a different mag from Slick a
nd a coupler which all together cost 2k..  Seems like a big price to pay for
 better start performance, but I'm considering it.
Does anyone have a proven solution?
TIA,
Jim Stone
Louisville Kentucky 
HR 11


________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________


Time: 07:09:50 PM PST US
From: Scot Stambaugh <f1rocket@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Starting problem

I have a dual Lightspeed system and have never had any problem.
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 And just to make the issue more challenging, my engine is a high-compressi
on model with Lycon's 10.5:1 pistons.
The only time it doesn't start by the 3 rotation is if I don't prime for a 
full 11 seconds, which is when the fuel pressure stabilizes.
Hope this helps.
Scot Stambaugh=C2-


     On Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:32 PM, Jim Stone <jrstone54@att.net> wro
te:
   

I'm looking for ideas to improve my start up both cold and hot.
I have an IO 540 C4 B5 with a non impulse mag on the upper plugs and Electr
oAir Electronic ignition (latest version on the lower plugs), and all aviat
ion plugs.
I removed the slick impulse Mag a year ago after the Slick Rep advised me t
o "get it off that engine before it comes apart and stops your engine".
I have been starting with just the ElectroAir and realized it is not my sta
rting technique as much as it is a lack of spark. =C2-ElectroAir told me 
that the system has to measure a pretty fast cranking speed for what seems 
like a long time before it produces a spark. =C2-This cranking pulls the 
battery voltage down and if the voltage to the ElectroAir controller falls 
below 11 volts, it no longer produces a spark. =C2-Of course I have no in
dication of no spark other than the obvious no start result. =C2-So with 
some luck the batteries hold up long enough tilI =C2-I get the mixture ri
ght, if not, recharge and try later.
I'm considering the slick start but it requires a different mag from Slick 
and a coupler which all together cost 2k.. =C2-Seems like a big price to 
pay for better start performance, but I'm considering it.
Does anyone have a proven solution?
TIA,
Jim Stone
Louisville Kentucky=C2-
HR 11


________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________


Time: 08:29:39 PM PST US
From: Vern Little <voltar@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Starting problem

You could add a holdover battery, as illustrated on the IGN page of this doc
ument: http://54.162.78.90/redmine/attachments/download/94/VFR%20Aircraft%20
Electrical%20System%20Rev%205.pdf

Vern
HR-II C-GVRL

=====
Vernon R. Little | President, Vx Aviation

> On Aug 8, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Jim Stone <jrstone54@att.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm looking for ideas to improve my start up both cold and hot.
> I have an IO 540 C4 B5 with a non impulse mag on the upper plugs and Elect
roAir Electronic ignition (latest version on the lower plugs), and all aviat
ion plugs.
> I removed the slick impulse Mag a year ago after the Slick Rep advised me t
o "get it off that engine before it comes apart and stops your engine".
> I have been starting with just the ElectroAir and realized it is not my st
arting technique as much as it is a lack of spark.  ElectroAir told me that t
he system has to measure a pretty fast cranking speed for what seems like a l
ong time before it produces a spark.  This cranking pulls the battery voltag
e down and if the voltage to the ElectroAir controller falls below 11 volts,
 it no longer produces a spark.  Of course I have no indication of no spark o
ther than the obvious no start result.  So with some luck the batteries hold
 up long enough tilI  I get the mixture right, if not, recharge and try late
r.
> I'm considering the slick start but it requires a different mag from Slick
 and a coupler which all together cost 2k..  Seems like a big price to pay f
or better start performance, but I'm considering it.
> Does anyone have a proven solution?
> TIA,
> Jim Stone
> Louisville Kentucky 
> HR 11
> 
> 
> 
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________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________


Time: 08:42:38 PM PST US
From: Jones15183@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Starting problem

Hi Jim, former F! Rocker owner.  Can you explain your complete  starting 
procedure.  I had Electroair and an Impulse mag.  I never had  a hot or cold 
start problem.  You talk about getting the mixture  right.  Shouldn"t be 
fooling with mixture control in process of eng.  starting.  Let me hear from you

on you about your  complete starting  process.  Billy Waters McGregor,tx.


In a message dated 8/8/2015 10:29:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
voltar@vx-aviation.com writes:

You could add a holdover battery, as illustrated on the IGN page of this  
document: 
http://54.162.78.90/redmine/attachments/download/94/VFR%20Aircraft%20Electrical%20System%20Rev%205.pdf


Vern
HR-II C-GVRL

======  

Vernon R. Little | President, Vx  Aviation


On Aug 8, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Jim Stone <_jrstone54@att.net_ 
(mailto:jrstone54@att.net) > wrote:


I'm looking for ideas to improve my start up both cold and  hot.
I have an IO 540 C4 B5 with a non impulse mag on the upper plugs and  
ElectroAir Electronic ignition (latest version on the lower plugs), and all  
aviation plugs.
I removed the slick impulse Mag a year ago after the  Slick Rep advised me 
to "get it off that engine before it comes apart and  stops your engine".
I have been starting with just the ElectroAir and  realized it is not my 
starting technique as much as it is a lack of spark.  ElectroAir told me that 
the system has to measure a pretty fast  cranking speed for what seems like 
a long time before it produces a spark.  This cranking pulls the battery 
voltage down and if the voltage to the  ElectroAir controller falls below 11 
volts, it no longer produces a spark.  Of course I have no indication of no 
spark other than the obvious no  start result.  So with some luck the 
batteries hold up long enough tilI  I get the mixture right, if not, recharge and

try later.
I'm  considering the slick start but it requires a different mag from Slick 
and a  coupler which all together cost 2k..  Seems like a big price to pay 
for  better start performance, but I'm considering it.
Does anyone have a  proven solution?
TIA,
Jim Stone
_Louisville Kentucky_ (x-apple-data-detectors://0/1)  
HR  11


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