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1. 07:33 AM - Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 (kc)
2. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 (Scott Bilinski)
3. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 (Tedd McHenry)
4. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 (Scott Bilinski)
5. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Engi (flyseaplane)
6. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 (KIM R JOHNSON)
7. 10:39 PM - Re: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 (kc)
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
??Any information about the availability of the PLZ Franklin engines??
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Just a heads up on Franklins. Their compression ratio is very high (10.5:1
or was it 10:1) and if they ever lower AVGAS octane Franklins will be in a
world of hurt. I noticed they removed the compression ratio from their web
site, now why would they do that????????
At 08:28 AM 5/23/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
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>??Any information about the availability of the PLZ Franklin engines??
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Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Just a heads up on Franklins. Their compression ratio is very high (10.5:1
> or was it 10:1) and if they ever lower AVGAS octane Franklins will be in a
> world of hurt. I noticed they removed the compression ratio from their web
> site, now why would they do that????????
We could be jumping to conclusions here. Anybody know anything about the
Franklin combusion chamber and its resistance to detonation, vis-a-vis a
Lycoming? Does it really have less detonation margin, or have they been forced
to remove the compression ratio information from their web site because so many
customers think 10.5:1 in one engine is the same as 10.5:1 in another engine?
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
This is a good point, combustion chamber shape makes a big difference. BUT,
I am willing to bet that the combustion chamber technology used is the same
technology used when the engine was first produced.....How long ago was
that 40~50 years? It is pretty much a given (unfortunately) that aircraft
recip engine builders dont upgrade there designs regularly if ever.
At 10:26 AM 5/23/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
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>> Just a heads up on Franklins. Their compression ratio is very high (10.5:1
>> or was it 10:1) and if they ever lower AVGAS octane Franklins will be in a
>> world of hurt. I noticed they removed the compression ratio from their web
>> site, now why would they do that????????
>
>We could be jumping to conclusions here. Anybody know anything about the
>Franklin combusion chamber and its resistance to detonation, vis-a-vis a
>Lycoming? Does it really have less detonation margin, or have they been
forced
>to remove the compression ratio information from their web site because so
many
>customers think 10.5:1 in one engine is the same as 10.5:1 in another engine?
>
>Tedd McHenry
>Surrey, BC
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Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane@netzero.net>
??Any information about the availability of the PZL Franklin engines??
Well, the PZL engines are certified and are now made in Poland.
Availability in the USA is good. They have a lot of power for pretty
reasonable weight. They won't tolerate auto gas - - unless you employed some
type of water injection to quench detonation.
I tried to get a new 116 HP, 235 running right but never did. It had a brand
new carb on it from Precision Airmotive. It always ran really rich. I have
since moved and am not around it anymore. It sure seemed like it had tons
and tons of power. It has the same mount as a Cont O-200 - - - I would like
to put one in a Cessna 150 and watch it stand on the prop. It felt a lot
more powerful than a Lycoming 235, like in a Cessna 152.
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "KIM R JOHNSON" <krjloco@msn.com>
KC,
Check out franklinengines.com/
Kim
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From: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
Subject: Engines-List: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
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> ??Any information about the availability of the PLZ Franklin engines??
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
That's where this started. I called to order an engine and was told that
due to a recent acquisition of PZL by Pratt & Whitney, no engines were
available for at least the next several months.............sounded like
maybe never.
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From: "KIM R JOHNSON" <krjloco@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "KIM R JOHNSON" <krjloco@msn.com>
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> KC,
> Check out franklinengines.com/
> Kim
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> From: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
> To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Engines-List: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/22/03
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> > --> Engines-List message posted by: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
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> > ??Any information about the availability of the PLZ Franklin engines??
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
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