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--> Engines-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:17:55 -0500
>To: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>From: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: Turboprops/NASA TV
>
>Chuck Nearhoff is the pres of ATP and he to is on my AirVenture 2003
>show. I talked to him a couple of weeks ago and he still seems to be
>going for production with a completely new small turbine that his family
>business has designed and will build. He confirmed the rumor that he's
>joining up with an "aerospace company" for distribution, support and
>fulfillment. He wants only to make turbines and let some one else do fire
>wall-forward but I don't think he can hold the price down to his original
>$27k estimate. The product is still somewhat of a mystery though - yes it
>is based of the Solar T62 but he says that is where it ends. The ATP web
>page hasn't changed in more then a year and he said that the "new company"
>will take care of that soon. I am watching him closely and may even drive
>up to PA (it's only three hours drive for me and I have an invite) and
>shot more video of his operation. NASA-TV is on DirecTV channel 376 which
>is on the 119 deg second satellite. Stay tuned ..
>
>Doug Ritter
>
>
>At 10:45 AM 1/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>Doug: On the subject of turboprops, have you looked at Affordable
>>Turbine Power? I can't figure out that they are getting anywhere but
>>perhaps you know more about them than I do. Also, where on DirecTV can
>>the NASA channel be found? I don't see a listing.
>>
>>Gordon Comfort
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--> Engines-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:47:17 -0500
>To: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>From: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>Subject: RE: Turboprops/NASA TV
>
>Just got back from work at NASA. I had a small part in the Mars
>Opportunity Lander mission and I'm on quite a high right now considering
>the apparent success. Hope you saw it last night. I'll probably crash
>any minute.
>Your right, ATP redesigned everything but will reveal nothing at this
>time. The unit is so light that we would have to move it way forward and
>ad weight. The baggage compartment fuel cell seems like the way to
>go. Chuck said that he is talking to kit people like Van's but again, no
>details.
>I'm on the rotary engine news group list and I just noticed the news about
>FAA certifying a German diesel (see below). They are primarily interested
>in retrofitting gas engine as is the French SMA product which is only
>available for existing certified aircraft. And both are rather expensive,
>over 50k. So Delta Hawk may not be the only one soon. Oh yes, then there
>is that sham that NASA funded under the GAP program at Continental. It's
>sitting on the shelf and us tax payers money in someone's pocket. I
>talked to them last year and they said they may still market it but in leu
>of Honda's possible partnership, I doubt it.
>Gordon- where are you that is so cold? If your flying around the DC area
>in an RV4 I would like to include you in a video production I'm doing
>about home-built.
>
>
>At 12:53 PM 1/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Doug Ritter [mailto:d.d.ritter@verizon.net]
>>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:18 PM
>>To: Gordon and Marge
>>Subject: Re: Turboprops/NASA TV
>>
>>Chuck Nearhoff is the pres of ATP and he to is on my AirVenture 2003
>>show. I talked to him a couple of weeks ago and he still seems to be
>>going for production with a completely new small turbine that his family
>>business has designed and will build. He confirmed the rumor that he's
>>joining up with an "aerospace company" for distribution, support and
>>fulfillment. He wants only to make turbines and let some one else do
>>fire wall-forward but I don't think he can hold the price down to his
>>original $27k estimate. The product is still somewhat of a mystery
>>though - yes it is based of the Solar T62 but he says that is where it
>>ends. The ATP web page hasn't changed in more then a year and he said
>>that the "new company" will take care of that soon. I am watching him
>>closely and may even drive up to PA (it's only three hours drive for me
>>and I have an invite) and shot more video of his operation. NASA-TV is
>>on DirecTV channel 376 which is on the 119 deg second satellite. Stay tuned
..
>>Doug Ritter
>>
>> Doug: Thanks for the info on the NASA channel. I have a triple lnb
>> and it came right up but I have no listing for it. There are several
>> questions about ATP. I was told at Oshkosh last that their fuel
>> delivery and combustion system had been redesigned and fuel consumption
>> was improved. I have no idea if they know what the output really is, or
>> what it would do at altitude. Using it would create some interesting
>> weight and balance problems which could lead to lateral stability
>> problems but we'll have to wait and see I guess. If you do visit them,
>> please let me know what you learn. This had been a lousy January
>> weatherwise so I likely won't get the RV-4 out real soon (SE
>> MI). Otherwise I'd be interested in flying down there.
>>
>>Gordon C.
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--> Engines-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:49:25 -0500
>To: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>From: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>Subject: RE: Turboprops/NASA TV
>
>ops, forgot to ad -
>
>
>> > Hans Conser wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Page 18 Feb issue of Flying:
>> > >
>> > > "FAA Certifies Auto Engine Conversion
>> > >
>> > > In November the FAA granted type certification to the Thielert
>> > Aircraft
>> > > Engines (TAE) TAE 125-01 four cylinder aviation diesel engine. The
>> > > model is a diesel automotive engine, made by DaimlerChrysler, which
>> > TAE
>> > > converts for airplane use by adding a gearbox and other aviation
>> > > specific parts.
>> > > The certification for the engine, known as the Centurion 1.7, is the
>> > > first of its kind for the FAA. The approval surprised many industry
>> > > observers because it entailed producing an engine with parts that the
>> > > manufacturer (DaimlerChrysler) would not verify. But the FAA was
>> > > surprisingly willing to work within this restriction and allowed
>> > > Thielert to verify, through a combination of component testing, parts
>> > > validation, test stand runs, and ongoing testing that the engine, and
>> > > the parts that make it up, meet an acceptable level of safety.
>> > > To our knowledge, the certification of the engine also entails another
>> > > first, the approval of a powerplant with a timer before before
>> > > replacement (TBR) limit--1000 hours or 12 years, whichever is
>> > > first--with no overhaul allowed. When the engine reaches one of those
>> > > milestones the owner must replace it with a new engine. The company
>> > is
>> > > working toward a 2,400 hour TBR, and will pro-rate replacement engines
>> > > from the beginning at the 2400 hour figure.
>> > > Thielert plans to offer an STC for retrofit installations of the
>> > engine
>> > > in Cessna Skyhawks. Diamond is developing its Twin-Star light twin
>> > > around the Centurion 1.7 engine, and OMF is working on a diesel
>> > version
>> > > of its two-place Symphony."
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps it is time to certify the 13B.
>> > >
>> > > Hans
>>
>>Al Gietzen wrote:
>> >
>> > Hum-m-m; kind of puts Lycoming and Continental on notice, doesn't it?
>
>
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