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1. 07:15 AM - Insurance and rotary engines (Barry A. Doublestein)
2. 08:03 AM - Re: Insurance and rotary engines (AI Nut)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: Insurance and rotary engines (Ed Anderson)
4. 09:13 AM - dry sumps (AI Nut)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Insurance and rotary engines (Scott)
6. 10:22 AM - Re: Insurance and rotary engines (Tracy Crook)
7. 10:29 AM - engine problems (Leo J. Corbalis)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Insurance and rotary engines (C. Rabaut)
9. 12:46 PM - Re: Insurance and rotary engines (Scott)
10. 04:06 PM - Re: dry sumps (Archie)
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| Subject: | Insurance and rotary engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Barry A. Doublestein" <badone@goi.org>
I have been considering an installation of a Wankle rotary engine in my
Glasair S-II FT. One question that remains is for those of you who have
installed rotaries, have you had difficulties getting insurance? Are the
premiums, to your knowledge, higher than for Lycomings, etc.?
Appreciate any light that you can shed on this for me.
Thanks,
Barry Doublestein
Atlanta, Georgia
N59BD
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance and rotary engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "AI Nut" <ainut@earthlink.net>
There is a Yahoo mail list dedicated to just that issue and there is a web
site. I think it's something like itea.org.
AI Nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry A. Doublestein" <badone@goi.org>
Subject: Engines-List: Insurance and rotary engines
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Barry A. Doublestein"
<badone@goi.org>
>
> I have been considering an installation of a Wankle rotary engine in my
> Glasair S-II FT. One question that remains is for those of you who have
> installed rotaries, have you had difficulties getting insurance? Are the
> premiums, to your knowledge, higher than for Lycomings, etc.?
>
> Appreciate any light that you can shed on this for me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barry Doublestein
> Atlanta, Georgia
> N59BD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance and rotary engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Barry,
To answer both your questions - Yes and Yes
After 9/11 the insurance companies apparently felt the need to
"regroup". Many stopped insuring any aircraft powered by anything other
than a certified aircraft engine. AMVECO bailed out of the EAA program and
stopped or at least greatly reduced any new customers with "Alternative"
engines. When FALCON took over the EAA program they opened it up to Auto
Conversions that were produced by "companies" but not individuals. The
reason ( I am told) is the insurance company could turn around and sue the
producer company of these auto conversions, but could not do that their
insured customers. So if you had an Eggenfeller Subaru or a PowerSport
rotary, etc, they would apparently insure you, otherwise not.
Now having said that I am insured with my rotary Powered RV-6A by AMVECO
simply because I've been insured by them since 1997 and yes, I do pay more
than a Lycoming powered RV-6A. I've known of none who had found a company
willing to insure for Hull since 9/11, but at least one individual I
personally know was able to get Liability Insurance (he didn't want hull).
Recently one of our rotary fly group contacted FALCON again about insuring
Rotary engines and was told to collect data on those flying and provide it
to the insurance group. The inference is they are apparently at least
reconsidering whether to offer insurance to auto powered aircraft.
Hopefully, they will be impressed with the rotary record sufficient to offer
insurance.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry A. Doublestein" <badone@goi.org>
Subject: Engines-List: Insurance and rotary engines
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Barry A. Doublestein"
<badone@goi.org>
>
> I have been considering an installation of a Wankle rotary engine in my
> Glasair S-II FT. One question that remains is for those of you who have
> installed rotaries, have you had difficulties getting insurance? Are the
> premiums, to your knowledge, higher than for Lycomings, etc.?
>
> Appreciate any light that you can shed on this for me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barry Doublestein
> Atlanta, Georgia
> N59BD
>
>
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "AI Nut" <ainut@earthlink.net>
I'm thinking of changing my Ford engine over to a dry sump system if I can
find one to fit 8-). What are the pluses or minuses? Any other
considerations? I don't intend (at this point) to fly inverted if I can
help it, but it would be nice to reduce the oil pan depth.
Thanks,
AI Nut
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance and rotary engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net>
Also check into AUA , I insure my Velocity through them. They were half
what Falcon and Avemco wanted.
I know of two Velocitys that are insured through AUA with auto conversions,
one has a Chevy V6.
I was told they have a don't ask don't tell policy, they don't ask, and
there is nothing in the policy forbidding it.
Scott
At 09:24 AM 1/28/2004, you wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Hi Barry,
>
>To answer both your questions - Yes and Yes
>
> After 9/11 the insurance companies apparently felt the need to
>"regroup". Many stopped insuring any aircraft powered by anything other
>than a certified aircraft engine. AMVECO bailed out of the EAA program and
>stopped or at least greatly reduced any new customers with "Alternative"
>engines. When FALCON took over the EAA program they opened it up to Auto
>Conversions that were produced by "companies" but not individuals. The
>reason ( I am told) is the insurance company could turn around and sue the
>producer company of these auto conversions, but could not do that their
>insured customers. So if you had an Eggenfeller Subaru or a PowerSport
>rotary, etc, they would apparently insure you, otherwise not.
>
>Now having said that I am insured with my rotary Powered RV-6A by AMVECO
>simply because I've been insured by them since 1997 and yes, I do pay more
>than a Lycoming powered RV-6A. I've known of none who had found a company
>willing to insure for Hull since 9/11, but at least one individual I
>personally know was able to get Liability Insurance (he didn't want hull).
>
>
>Recently one of our rotary fly group contacted FALCON again about insuring
>Rotary engines and was told to collect data on those flying and provide it
>to the insurance group. The inference is they are apparently at least
>reconsidering whether to offer insurance to auto powered aircraft.
>Hopefully, they will be impressed with the rotary record sufficient to offer
>insurance.
>
>
>Ed Anderson
>RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>Matthews, NC
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Barry A. Doublestein" <badone@goi.org>
>To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Engines-List: Insurance and rotary engines
>
>
> > --> Engines-List message posted by: "Barry A. Doublestein"
><badone@goi.org>
> >
> > I have been considering an installation of a Wankle rotary engine in my
> > Glasair S-II FT. One question that remains is for those of you who have
> > installed rotaries, have you had difficulties getting insurance? Are the
> > premiums, to your knowledge, higher than for Lycomings, etc.?
> >
> > Appreciate any light that you can shed on this for me.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Barry Doublestein
> > Atlanta, Georgia
> > N59BD
> >
> >
>
>
"Those who sacrifice freedom to get security, deserve neither."
- Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance and rotary engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Everyone's milage seems to vary when they look into this but I have been
insured for about 5 years by Avemco (1st 2 years) and AIG currently. I gave
them all the facts about plane & engine without hiding anything. I did have
500+ hours on plane & engine (RV-4) when I applied but I know one low time
pilot & rotary engine plane (RV-3) who recently was accepted by AIG.
I carry liability only, no hull.
Tracy Crook
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Barry A. Doublestein"
<badone@goi.org>
>
> I have been considering an installation of a Wankle rotary engine in my
> Glasair S-II FT. One question that remains is for those of you who have
> installed rotaries, have you had difficulties getting insurance? Are the
> premiums, to your knowledge, higher than for Lycomings, etc.?
>
> Appreciate any light that you can shed on this for me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barry Doublestein
> Atlanta, Georgia
> N59BD
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I have a Zodiac 601HDS, 400 hrs, ROTAX 912 UL
I just finished finding a very sneaky intermittent ignition failure problem.
I think we could really help each other by giving a detailed account of the
trouble and solution.
My problem was an intermittent roughnes and later a really bad "mag"
check on 2 differient flights that I could not find when trouble shooting
later. Eventually I got to a condition where one ignition system was dead.
The culprit was a break in the red stranded wire from the alternator to the
module. I had exchanged these leads and the trouble went away for a while
and I tried module swaps and pickup swaps hunting for the problem. Finally I
was doing an ohmmeter check on everything and got erratic readings on one of
the red wires. I recalled an A&P's remark that when he worked on Rotaxes,
most of the trouble was with the stranded wiring. I found that pushing the
wire into the connector, the ohmmeter reading settled down, pulling gently
brought back the erratic readings. I pulled harder and felt the last strand
break, verified by the ohmmeter. As the wire strands broke the current to
the ignition module dropped causing intermittent erratic operation of the
sparkplugs.
The cure: I cut off the connector and replaced it with a similar female auto
connector.(prying the tabs on the old connector caused one tab to break off,
(recycling the old connector is a BAD idea. Soldering is not a option
because of the short space and high vibration) I needed a short piece of
high quality stranded wire so I bought the cheapest POMONA (manufacturer of
high grade test leads) test wire and cut out the wire I needed to put on the
crimped connector and a crimped splice plus a small loop for strain relief.
2 tiewraps hold everything together and minimize vibration. The choice of hi
grade test lead gave me a very multistranded wire with tough insulation.
Cheap test leads need no apply! also 18 gage Tefzel wire from Aircraft
Spruce doesn't have enough strands for me. I also added clips to the cut
ends and have 2 more test leads.
Leo J. Corbalis
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance and rotary engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay Scott, fess' up a contact for "AUA"....
Thanks,
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net>
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Insurance and rotary engines
> --> Engines-List message posted by: Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net>
>
> Also check into AUA , I insure my Velocity through them. They were half
> what Falcon and Avemco wanted.
>
> I know of two Velocitys that are insured through AUA with auto
conversions,
> one has a Chevy V6.
>
> I was told they have a don't ask don't tell policy, they don't ask, and
> there is nothing in the policy forbidding it.
>
> Scott
>
> At 09:24 AM 1/28/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Engines-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
<eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >Hi Barry,
> >
> >To answer both your questions - Yes and Yes
> >
> > After 9/11 the insurance companies apparently felt the need to
> >"regroup". Many stopped insuring any aircraft powered by anything other
> >than a certified aircraft engine. AMVECO bailed out of the EAA program
and
> >stopped or at least greatly reduced any new customers with "Alternative"
> >engines. When FALCON took over the EAA program they opened it up to Auto
> >Conversions that were produced by "companies" but not individuals. The
> >reason ( I am told) is the insurance company could turn around and sue
the
> >producer company of these auto conversions, but could not do that their
> >insured customers. So if you had an Eggenfeller Subaru or a PowerSport
> >rotary, etc, they would apparently insure you, otherwise not.
> >
> >Now having said that I am insured with my rotary Powered RV-6A by AMVECO
> >simply because I've been insured by them since 1997 and yes, I do pay
more
> >than a Lycoming powered RV-6A. I've known of none who had found a
company
> >willing to insure for Hull since 9/11, but at least one individual I
> >personally know was able to get Liability Insurance (he didn't want
hull).
> >
> >
> >Recently one of our rotary fly group contacted FALCON again about
insuring
> >Rotary engines and was told to collect data on those flying and provide
it
> >to the insurance group. The inference is they are apparently at least
> >reconsidering whether to offer insurance to auto powered aircraft.
> >Hopefully, they will be impressed with the rotary record sufficient to
offer
> >insurance.
> >
> >
> >Ed Anderson
> >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >Matthews, NC
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Barry A. Doublestein" <badone@goi.org>
> >To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Engines-List: Insurance and rotary engines
> >
> >
> > > --> Engines-List message posted by: "Barry A. Doublestein"
> ><badone@goi.org>
> > >
> > > I have been considering an installation of a Wankle rotary engine in
my
> > > Glasair S-II FT. One question that remains is for those of you who
have
> > > installed rotaries, have you had difficulties getting insurance? Are
the
> > > premiums, to your knowledge, higher than for Lycomings, etc.?
> > >
> > > Appreciate any light that you can shed on this for me.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Barry Doublestein
> > > Atlanta, Georgia
> > > N59BD
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> "Those who sacrifice freedom to get security, deserve neither."
> - Benjamin Franklin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance and rotary engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net>
web address is http://www.auaonline.com/
Pam is the broker that handles most of the homebuilts. You do have to bug
her to get back to you. Don't be shy about sending her an email that your
waiting, if you do you will get a response, if you wait to hear from her it
may take awhile...
I don;t know if she's over worked or an airhead but their quotes are very
reasonable.
Scott
At 09:56 AM 1/28/2004, you wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
>Okay Scott, fess' up a contact for "AUA"....
>Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net>
>To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Engines-List: Insurance and rotary engines
>
>
> > --> Engines-List message posted by: Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net>
> >
> > Also check into AUA , I insure my Velocity through them. They were half
> > what Falcon and Avemco wanted.
> >
> > I know of two Velocitys that are insured through AUA with auto
>conversions,
> > one has a Chevy V6.
> >
> > I was told they have a don't ask don't tell policy, they don't ask, and
> > there is nothing in the policy forbidding it.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > At 09:24 AM 1/28/2004, you wrote:
> > >--> Engines-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > >
> > >Hi Barry,
> > >
> > >To answer both your questions - Yes and Yes
> > >
> > > After 9/11 the insurance companies apparently felt the need to
> > >"regroup". Many stopped insuring any aircraft powered by anything other
> > >than a certified aircraft engine. AMVECO bailed out of the EAA program
>and
> > >stopped or at least greatly reduced any new customers with "Alternative"
> > >engines. When FALCON took over the EAA program they opened it up to Auto
> > >Conversions that were produced by "companies" but not individuals. The
> > >reason ( I am told) is the insurance company could turn around and sue
>the
> > >producer company of these auto conversions, but could not do that their
> > >insured customers. So if you had an Eggenfeller Subaru or a PowerSport
> > >rotary, etc, they would apparently insure you, otherwise not.
> > >
> > >Now having said that I am insured with my rotary Powered RV-6A by AMVECO
> > >simply because I've been insured by them since 1997 and yes, I do pay
>more
> > >than a Lycoming powered RV-6A. I've known of none who had found a
>company
> > >willing to insure for Hull since 9/11, but at least one individual I
> > >personally know was able to get Liability Insurance (he didn't want
>hull).
> > >
> > >
> > >Recently one of our rotary fly group contacted FALCON again about
>insuring
> > >Rotary engines and was told to collect data on those flying and provide
>it
> > >to the insurance group. The inference is they are apparently at least
> > >reconsidering whether to offer insurance to auto powered aircraft.
> > >Hopefully, they will be impressed with the rotary record sufficient to
>offer
> > >insurance.
> > >
> > >
> > >Ed Anderson
> > >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> > >Matthews, NC
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Barry A. Doublestein" <badone@goi.org>
> > >To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Engines-List: Insurance and rotary engines
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Engines-List message posted by: "Barry A. Doublestein"
> > ><badone@goi.org>
> > > >
> > > > I have been considering an installation of a Wankle rotary engine in
>my
> > > > Glasair S-II FT. One question that remains is for those of you who
>have
> > > > installed rotaries, have you had difficulties getting insurance? Are
>the
> > > > premiums, to your knowledge, higher than for Lycomings, etc.?
> > > >
> > > > Appreciate any light that you can shed on this for me.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Barry Doublestein
> > > > Atlanta, Georgia
> > > > N59BD
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > "Those who sacrifice freedom to get security, deserve neither."
> > - Benjamin Franklin
> >
> >
>
>
"Those who sacrifice freedom to get security, deserve neither."
- Benjamin Franklin
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Archie" <archie97@earthlink.net>
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "AI Nut" <ainut@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm thinking of changing my Ford engine over to a dry sump system if I can
> find one to fit 8-). What are the pluses or minuses? Any other
> considerations? I don't intend (at this point) to fly inverted if I can
> help it, but it would be nice to reduce the oil pan depth.
>
> Thanks,
> AI Nut
Almost all our engines run dry sump for a number of reasons.
Reservoir weight can be placed essentially anywhere.
Creation of vacuum below the rings. (some engines use
four or five scavenge sections for more).
Lower profile sump for additional clearance.
Easy to adjust oil pressure.
Simple oil cooler installation.
Horsepower increase.
No oil splashing, overexposing rings to additional oil.
Rather than continue a dissertation, the only drawbacks
I can think of are cost, ($1500/2200), and externally
mounted pump & plumbing,(if that is considered a negative).
Cannot discuss further at this time, leaving on business
momentarily.
Archie Frangoudis
Archie's Racing Service
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