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1. 05:08 AM - Unobtanium (Don Alexander)
2. 07:48 AM - Re: Unobtanium ()
3. 08:53 AM - Re: Unobtanium (Cy Galley)
4. 09:18 AM - Re: Unobtanium ()
5. 09:50 AM - Turbine Engines (Richard Brown)
6. 10:51 AM - Re: Unobtanium (Gordon and Marge)
7. 11:39 AM - Re: Turbine Engines (Nielsenbe@aol.com)
8. 04:36 PM - Re: alternative diesel engines (Gordon and Marge)
9. 07:41 PM - Diesels (Gene Smith)
10. 08:52 PM - Re: alternative diesel engines (Doug Ritter)
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--> Engines-List message posted by: Don Alexander <don@propjock.com>
>I think the alloy used in the ZOCHE Aero-Diesel is "Unobtainium"!
The physical properties sound like *exactly* what I need for another
project. Do you know where can I get some of that? And, does it need to
be primed?
Tongue in Cheek,
Don
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--> Engines-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
Dear Don,
I know, I know: "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is!" UNOBTAINIUM
is a rare alloy and therefore very pricey. I will cost you an endless amount
of TIME at the very least! And Time is Money, therefore it's 2-X-pensive.
So you may be much better off with readily available materials, even if they have
to be primed to last a long(er) time.
Which brings up another burning question: What is the VERY BEST PRIMER these day's,
and how much of it do you really need to apply?
Anyone's opinion on the VERY BEST PRIMER would be highly appreciated, as we haven't
talked about the latest available primers in quite a while, and progress
never stops.
DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE
I also have a question about what's better: Nosewheel or Tailwheel (but that is
not a topic for the engine list, so I'll leave it out.)
Seize the Day!
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Alexander
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 6:07 AM
Subject: Engines-List: Unobtanium
--> Engines-List message posted by: Don Alexander <don@propjock.com>
>I think the alloy used in the ZOCHE Aero-Diesel is "Unobtainium"!
The physical properties sound like *exactly* what I need for another
project. Do you know where can I get some of that? And, does it need to
be primed?
Tongue in Cheek,
Don
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Note! Primer is NOT necessary in this case if coated with MMO!
----- Original Message -----
From: <klwerner@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Unobtanium
> --> Engines-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> Dear Don,
>
> I know, I know: "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is!"
UNOBTAINIUM is a rare alloy and therefore very pricey. I will cost you an
endless amount of TIME at the very least! And Time is Money, therefore it's
2-X-pensive.
>
> So you may be much better off with readily available materials, even if
they have to be primed to last a long(er) time.
> Which brings up another burning question: What is the VERY BEST PRIMER
these day's, and how much of it do you really need to apply?
> Anyone's opinion on the VERY BEST PRIMER would be highly appreciated, as
we haven't talked about the latest available primers in quite a while, and
progress never stops.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE
> I also have a question about what's better: Nosewheel or Tailwheel (but
that is not a topic for the engine list, so I'll leave it out.)
> Seize the Day!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Alexander
> To: engines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 6:07 AM
> Subject: Engines-List: Unobtanium
>
>
> --> Engines-List message posted by: Don Alexander <don@propjock.com>
>
> >I think the alloy used in the ZOCHE Aero-Diesel is "Unobtainium"!
>
> The physical properties sound like *exactly* what I need for another
> project. Do you know where can I get some of that? And, does it need to
> be primed?
>
> Tongue in Cheek,
>
> Don
>
>
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--> Engines-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
AHA, learning something new every day!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Cy Galley
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Unobtanium
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Note! Primer is NOT necessary in this case if coated with MMO!
----- Original Message -----
From: <klwerner@comcast.net>
To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Unobtanium
> --> Engines-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> Dear Don,
>
> I know, I know: "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is!"
UNOBTAINIUM is a rare alloy and therefore very pricey. I will cost you an
endless amount of TIME at the very least! And Time is Money, therefore it's
2-X-pensive.
>
> So you may be much better off with readily available materials, even if
they have to be primed to last a long(er) time.
> Which brings up another burning question: What is the VERY BEST PRIMER
these day's, and how much of it do you really need to apply?
> Anyone's opinion on the VERY BEST PRIMER would be highly appreciated, as
we haven't talked about the latest available primers in quite a while, and
progress never stops.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE
> I also have a question about what's better: Nosewheel or Tailwheel (but
that is not a topic for the engine list, so I'll leave it out.)
> Seize the Day!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Alexander
> To: engines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 6:07 AM
> Subject: Engines-List: Unobtanium
>
>
> --> Engines-List message posted by: Don Alexander <don@propjock.com>
>
> >I think the alloy used in the ZOCHE Aero-Diesel is "Unobtainium"!
>
> The physical properties sound like *exactly* what I need for another
> project. Do you know where can I get some of that? And, does it need to
> be primed?
>
> Tongue in Cheek,
>
> Don
>
>
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Richard Brown" <dicknginni@erinet.com>
I am new to this list and my question is; Any info on using the small turbines,
in the 90-200 HP range, for experimental aircraft? I would appreciate any input,
as I have one, and was considering it as a possible power source. Thanks,
Dick
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Alexander
Subject: Engines-List: Unobtanium
--> Engines-List message posted by: Don Alexander <don@propjock.com>
>I think the alloy used in the ZOCHE Aero-Diesel is "Unobtainium"!
The physical properties sound like *exactly* what I need for another
project. Do you know where can I get some of that? And, does it need to
be primed?
Tongue in Cheek,
Don
Don: It's in the catalog right along side the "notknownium". It's
really cool stuff.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: Turbine Engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Nielsenbe@aol.com
check the archives. It gets argued about every 3 or 4 months. The summary is
Turbines are high on the cool factor but kill you in price, adaptation to
airframe, high fuel burn and horrible insurance. The cool factor is high though.
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| Subject: | alternative diesel engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Ritter
Subject: Engines-List: alternative diesel engines
--> Engines-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
For anybody who has been interested in a diesel alternative - I finally
received an email update from Zoche in Germany concerning their
remarkable
300 hp radial diesel engine. This would really work well on my RV8A but
I
have a hunch it will be expensive. Anyone have any additional info?
Doug: As best I can determine the Zoche project is moribund. My old
web address for them no longer works and the phrases you quote seems to
have come from releases that are several years old. My then neighbor, a
German national whose home is in the Munich area visited Zoche last
summer at my request. He spent most of a day with the Zoche's, looked
at what they have and came away with the firm impression that they
intended to go no farther with things. He could give no real reason as
to why, but there seemed to be concerns about the potential loss of
control and the usurpation of their ideas by others if they proceed. If
there are showstoppers in the design, they have not been revealed or
even hinted at. Several years ago Tim Coon, I believe it was, (Mod
Works) went to Germany and instrumented the engine and pronounced it to
have the lowest vibration levels of any piston engine he had tested,
even better than some turbines. The last year that Zoche exhibited at
Oshkosh I asked Michael if I handed him $5,000 on the spot, could I have
an engine for $50,000 in one year. His response was to the effect that
it would certainly cost no more than that but they really weren't ready
to make that kind of promise. He always had maintained that they would
sell no engines until type certification had been achieved and it has
seemed that they have moved no closer to that goal than they were 5
years ago. It's very sad. I really wanted one of those things.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gene Smith" <esmith6@satx.rr.com>
Hey gang, educate me and a few of my friends......If a diesel engine compresses
the mixture and it ignites from the compression and heat, (no spark plug) would
that cause the power pulses to be greater because of the increased compression?..I
was wondering if any propeller (wood, composite, metal fixed and constant
speed) could stand those power pulses which surely must be stronger than our
Lycomings, and obviously more damaging.
If there is some way to smooth these out in the Diesel, why can't we use that technology
in our gasoline engines and make them as smooth, and less destructive?
I have also heard diesels going by in trucks and some cars that sound like the
valves or pistons are going to rattle out of the block...In some you can't even
have a conversation with it in idle when you are standing close next to an open
window..........What causes this?
Please take it easy on my lack of knowledge, for I have a very fragile ego!
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| Subject: | alternative diesel engines |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
Well - well, looks like I have stirred up a hornets nest ! but that's just
what I suspected, I figured it was to good to be true. (it sure looks
pretty) Thanks Gordon and everyone for your well educated and informed
response. I think I'll keep on track with by turbine approach which I'll
keep you all informed about as I prod along.
At 07:33 PM 2/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>Ritter
>To: engines-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Engines-List: alternative diesel engines
>
>
>--> Engines-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>
>For anybody who has been interested in a diesel alternative - I finally
>received an email update from Zoche in Germany concerning their
>remarkable
>300 hp radial diesel engine. This would really work well on my RV8A but
>I
>have a hunch it will be expensive. Anyone have any additional info?
>
>
>Doug: As best I can determine the Zoche project is moribund. My old
>web address for them no longer works and the phrases you quote seems to
>have come from releases that are several years old. My then neighbor, a
>German national whose home is in the Munich area visited Zoche last
>summer at my request. He spent most of a day with the Zoche's, looked
>at what they have and came away with the firm impression that they
>intended to go no farther with things. He could give no real reason as
>to why, but there seemed to be concerns about the potential loss of
>control and the usurpation of their ideas by others if they proceed. If
>there are showstoppers in the design, they have not been revealed or
>even hinted at. Several years ago Tim Coon, I believe it was, (Mod
>Works) went to Germany and instrumented the engine and pronounced it to
>have the lowest vibration levels of any piston engine he had tested,
>even better than some turbines. The last year that Zoche exhibited at
>Oshkosh I asked Michael if I handed him $5,000 on the spot, could I have
>an engine for $50,000 in one year. His response was to the effect that
>it would certainly cost no more than that but they really weren't ready
>to make that kind of promise. He always had maintained that they would
>sell no engines until type certification had been achieved and it has
>seemed that they have moved no closer to that goal than they were 5
>years ago. It's very sad. I really wanted one of those things.
>
>Gordon Comfort
>N363GC
>
>
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