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1. 06:40 PM - Re: ATP Turboprop (Scott Derrick)
2. 07:10 PM - After Market Fuel Injection/ Electronic Ignition (Vic Jacko)
3. 08:19 PM - Re: After Market Fuel Injection/ Electronic Ignition (steve korney)
4. 09:28 PM - Re: After Market Fuel Injection/ Electronic Ignition (red)
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| Subject: | Re: ATP Turboprop |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Scott Derrick <scott@tnstaafl.net>
Forward from Velocity List, Scott B is the VP of Velocity and a straight
shooter:
To anyone who is remotely interested in purchasing an engine from ATP -
Affordable Turbine Power - LISTEN UP!
What follows may save you $10,000 (or more)!
ATP is selling "snake oil" as far as my opinion goes.
Several Velocity customers have placed orders and deposits for ATP engines -
and have been the victims of broken promises and outright fraud.
One Velocity customer placed a $12,000 deposit with ATP towards a +300hp
version of their experimental turbine - waited to the promised delivery
date - called for the delivery - and was told by the "good" folks at ATP
that:
a. They discontinued development of the 300 hp version of the engine
b. They had no immediate plans to renew development of the 300 hp engine
c. Despite the written order form that guaranteed all deposits would be
escrowed - ATP nevertheless spent his deposit, and
d. They have no plans to refund his deposit.
To add insult to injury, this Velocity builder had purchased a constant
speed propeller that works (for all intent and purposes) on a turbine
engine - so he is also "out" the money he invested in the propeller.
This is not an isolated case. Another Velocity customer that I spoke with
ALSO lost a substantial amount of money due to the fact that ATP could not
provide an engine and would not return his deposit.
In the last edition of AOPA's ePilot, it had an announcement piece promoting
ATP. I wrote to the editor of ePilot and told him about the fraud this
company has committed and gave him the names of two Velocity customers who
were cheated by ATP. The editor followed through - and attempted to reach
ATP for comment. They (ATP) refuse to talk with him. The customers did
talk with AOPA and told them what happened.
One year ago ATP had a booth at Sun n Fun showing their ATP powered RV.
Between SnF and Oshkosh the aircraft added (what is reported to be) less
than 10-hours of flight time. Think about that. 10-hours of flight time in
4-months. If I were selling a new engine - turbine or otherwise - I would
hardly boast about 10-hours of operation in 4-months. Something was (and
is) obviously amiss.
Incredibly, I am contacted by Velocity customers who have talked with ATP
... and ATP believe it or not, is giving Velocity as a reference! What
balls!
After SnF 2003, ATP went "underground" at last years Oshkosh and this years
SnF. They did not have a booth, but they did promote their "fantastic,
everybody needs to have one turbine engine" at an obscure Cub display. ATP,
you will find, is not in the show program.
These people have the lowest business ethics. If you are fool enough to
give them your money, they are happy to take it.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Scott B.
At 07:40 AM 4/18/2004, you wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
><cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com wrote:
>
> >--> Engines-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
> >
> >
> >How can it be???
> >An article on AvWeb states that ATP's turbine cranks out roughly 200 hp at
> >slightly over 13 gph. This would mean that they have achieved an
> >efficiency on par with a piston engine. Any thoughts as to how this
> >unbelievable accomplishment was pulled off?
> >Do not archive
> >
>
>I spoke to him at snf this week; it's 13gph at 140 mph in the RV-4,
>after they fixed their exhaust pipe exit angle problem. I believe that
>140 mph in a -4 requires something under 100hp.
>
>Charlie
>
>
"Those who sacrifice freedom to get security, deserve neither."
- Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | After Market Fuel Injection/ Electronic Ignition |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
HI, I am new to this list and short on info.
Short of using the Ellison TB and Light Speed Engineering ignition, or
LASER, does anyone know of a true after market fuel injection system and an
electronic ignition package can be adapted to the Lyc 0-320? I have
searched many web sites but can only find high pressure injection systems
that require 45# pressure which I feel is unsafe.
Vic
Roswell, NM
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| Subject: | After Market Fuel Injection/ Electronic Ignition |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "steve korney" <s_korney@hotmail.com>
Airflow performance makes a good fuel injection and Aerosparks makes a good
electronic ignition...
Best... Steve
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| Subject: | Re: After Market Fuel Injection/ Electronic Ignition |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
What is the matter with Ellison and/or Light Speed?
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Engines-List: After Market Fuel Injection/ Electronic Ignition
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> HI, I am new to this list and short on info.
>
> Short of using the Ellison TB and Light Speed Engineering ignition, or
> LASER, does anyone know of a true after market fuel injection system and
an
> electronic ignition package can be adapted to the Lyc 0-320? I have
> searched many web sites but can only find high pressure injection systems
> that require 45# pressure which I feel is unsafe.
>
> Vic
>
> Roswell, NM
>
>
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