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1. 02:22 AM - More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:00 AM - Continental engine starting (Gary Casey)
3. 07:12 AM - Fw: List of Contributors Coming Soon! (KenWHyde@aol.com)
4. 10:35 AM - Re: Continental engine starting (LarryRobertHelming)
5. 11:05 AM - Re: Continental engine starting (HAL KEMPTHORNE)
6. 11:23 AM - Re: Continental engine starting (Archie)
7. 11:31 AM - Re: Continental engine starting (James R. Cunningham)
8. 07:38 PM - Re: Continental engine starting (flyv35b)
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| Subject: | More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Continental engine starting |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
My friend has an IO-550-G in his Mooney Ovation and is having some trouble
starting the engine. He, on advise from a "Mooney expert", uses a strange
(to me) technique, cold or hot, of priming with lots of fuel to the point
that there is a solid stream running out the drain. I watched him do a cold
start the other day at about 65F. He pumped until there was a small puddle
under the plane, cranked the engine and it fired quickly, emitted a cloud of
black smoke and then quit after a couple of revolutions. More cranking
didn't result in even a single firing. Then he primed it more and this time
he had a sold stream coming out the drain for several seconds and the puddle
of fuel was now a few feet in diameter. Didn't look right to me, but this
time it fired WITHOUT a lot of smoke and kept running. The whole thing
doesn't seem right to this Lycoming driver, but I was wondering if anyone
out there has a comment.
Gary Casey
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| Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon! |
--> Engines-List message posted by: KenWHyde@aol.com
Matt,
$50 was mailed yesterday and we chose the Archive CD, think the log software
would be a better choice for now...thanks
Ken Hyde
From: KenWHyde@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: List of Contributors Coming Soon!
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Matt,
Sending check this morning. Thanks for your work.
Ken Hyde
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Sending check this morning. Thanks for your work.
Ken Hyde
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine starting |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Just a comment: Sounds like a nice recipe for a fire! ! Smoke means oil
getting into the combustion. I'd suggest getting some insurance for future
starts. Then, I'd check compression then timing then carburetor. I
agree, doesn't seem right.
do not archive.
Indiana Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
Subject: Engines-List: Continental engine starting
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
>
> My friend has an IO-550-G in his Mooney Ovation and is having some trouble
> starting the engine. He, on advise from a "Mooney expert", uses a strange
> (to me) technique, cold or hot, of priming with lots of fuel to the point
> that there is a solid stream running out the drain. I watched him do a
cold
> start the other day at about 65F. He pumped until there was a small
puddle
> under the plane, cranked the engine and it fired quickly, emitted a cloud
of
> black smoke and then quit after a couple of revolutions. More cranking
> didn't result in even a single firing. Then he primed it more and this
time
> he had a sold stream coming out the drain for several seconds and the
puddle
> of fuel was now a few feet in diameter. Didn't look right to me, but this
> time it fired WITHOUT a lot of smoke and kept running. The whole thing
> doesn't seem right to this Lycoming driver, but I was wondering if anyone
> out there has a comment.
>
> Gary Casey
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine starting |
--> Engines-List message posted by: HAL KEMPTHORNE <hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net>
Gasoline makes for black smoke, oil makes for blue smoke.
hal kempthorne
RV6a
LarryRobertHelming <lhelming@sigecom.net> wrote:
--> Engines-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
Just a comment: Sounds like a nice recipe for a fire! ! Smoke means oil
getting into the combustion.
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine starting |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Archie" <archie97@earthlink.net>
Right! Indiana Harry!
A friend lost a plane just that way.
Fortunately he had enough coverage.
Archie
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----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Continental engine starting
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
> <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> Just a comment: Sounds like a nice recipe for a fire! ! Smoke means oil
> getting into the combustion. I'd suggest getting some insurance for
> future
> starts. Then, I'd check compression then timing then carburetor. I
> agree, doesn't seem right.
>
> do not archive.
>
> Indiana Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
> To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Engines-List: Continental engine starting
>
>
>> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
>>
>> My friend has an IO-550-G in his Mooney Ovation and is having some
>> trouble
>> starting the engine. He, on advise from a "Mooney expert", uses a
>> strange
>> (to me) technique, cold or hot, of priming with lots of fuel to the point
>> that there is a solid stream running out the drain. I watched him do a
> cold
>> start the other day at about 65F. He pumped until there was a small
> puddle
>> under the plane, cranked the engine and it fired quickly, emitted a cloud
> of
>> black smoke and then quit after a couple of revolutions. More cranking
>> didn't result in even a single firing. Then he primed it more and this
> time
>> he had a sold stream coming out the drain for several seconds and the
> puddle
>> of fuel was now a few feet in diameter. Didn't look right to me, but
>> this
>> time it fired WITHOUT a lot of smoke and kept running. The whole thing
>> doesn't seem right to this Lycoming driver, but I was wondering if anyone
>> out there has a comment.
>>
>> Gary Casey
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine starting |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "James R. Cunningham" <jrccea@bellsouth.net>
Black smoke doesn't mean oil -- just that there wasn't enough oxygen to react with
all the carbon in the fuel. He was too rich. Which means that a flooded start
technique would probably work pretty well. And, his IO-550-G is unlikely to have
a
carburetor (It's fuel-injected). I agree whole-heartedly about the fire recipe.
:-)
All the best,
JimC
do not archive
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
> Just a comment: Sounds like a nice recipe for a fire! ! Smoke means oil
> getting into the combustion. I'd suggest getting some insurance for future
> starts. Then, I'd check compression then timing then carburetor. I
> agree, doesn't seem right.
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine starting |
--> Engines-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
The technique for starting the fuel injected Continental engines is turn on
the boost pump just long enough to bring the fuel pressure up to max. and
then turn the pump off. Close the throttle and crack it a bit and they will
always fire right off and keep on running. You do not overprime or flood
the engine when you do this. Now, hot starting is another matter!
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
Subject: Engines-List: Continental engine starting
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
>
> My friend has an IO-550-G in his Mooney Ovation and is having some trouble
> starting the engine. He, on advise from a "Mooney expert", uses a strange
> (to me) technique, cold or hot, of priming with lots of fuel to the point
> that there is a solid stream running out the drain. I watched him do a
> cold
> start the other day at about 65F. He pumped until there was a small
> puddle
> under the plane, cranked the engine and it fired quickly, emitted a cloud
> of
> black smoke and then quit after a couple of revolutions. More cranking
> didn't result in even a single firing. Then he primed it more and this
> time
> he had a sold stream coming out the drain for several seconds and the
> puddle
> of fuel was now a few feet in diameter. Didn't look right to me, but this
> time it fired WITHOUT a lot of smoke and kept running. The whole thing
> doesn't seem right to this Lycoming driver, but I was wondering if anyone
> out there has a comment.
>
> Gary Casey
>
>
>
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