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1. 08:35 AM - Re: PERMANENT ADIZ (Harvey Rule)
2. 12:00 PM - Re: PERMANENT ADIZ (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
3. 01:37 PM - Re: PERMANENT ADIZ (Harvey Rule)
4. 04:15 PM - Re: PERMANENT ADIZ (Terry Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: PERMANENT ADIZ |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
Amen!
>--> Engines-List message posted by: "david stroud" <dstroud@storm.ca>
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>Harvey..concentrate on the Piet. This is 2006.. :)
>The snow will melt this year..maybe soon...relax, eh?
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>David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
>C-FDWS Christavia
>F-24 C-FDAE in restoration
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Harvey Rule" <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
>To: <engines-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:06 PM
>Subject: Re: Engines-List: PERMANENT ADIZ
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>>--> Engines-List message posted by: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
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>>None of this has any relavance to me as yet but you never know when the
>>Canadian government may decide to jump on the band wagon.You are
>>absolutely correct in what you say;it is rediculous in every way and it
>>is some little politicians way of solving a problem without having
>>looked into it in the first place.On 911 the planes used were passenger
>>carriers loaded with enough fuel to carry them to the west coast.They
>>did this on purpose so they would have a maximum amount of
>>explosives.The average small plane that flies anywhere can only carry
>>enough fuel to blow up ,if they were lucky enough to penetrate a
>>window,perhaps one cubical in any office anywhere in the world.That's
>>right ,you heard right ,one cubical.The area of about 10 sqare feet if
>>your lucky.Perhaps destroying someones lunch sitting on the side of a
>>desk.The most likely thing that would happen is that the plane would hit
>>the side of the building and slide down;the case of most ultra lights
>>anyway.We are the most feared by the government because they can hardly
>>see us on radar.We can do a lot of damage when destoying somebodies
>>lunch!Sound stupid,you bet,as stupid as the rules you just layed out!
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>>>--> Engines-List message posted by: WRBYARS@aol.com
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>>>Pilots,
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>>>Send this to OTHER PILOTS and YOUR NON-FLYING FRIENDS. Then go to the AOPA
>>>site listed below and give the
>>>FAA your input.
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Since 9/11, pilots are required to follow rules that most motorists would
>>>consider ludicrous.
>>>
>>>The analogy below describes what it takes to fly into an Air Defense
>>>Identification Zone (ADIZ).
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>>>An ADIZ presently exists all around Washington D.C. The federal Aviation
>>>Administration wants to make the Washington ADIZ permanent.
>>>
>>>All MAJOR U.S. CITIES COULD BE NEXT.
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>>>Scenario...
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>>>Because of the Oklahoma City truck bombing, a law is passed that everyone
>>>within 75 miles of any large city must place a call for every car trip they
>>>make and give your name, car make, license plate number, what time you will
be
>>>leaving, specifically where you are going, and exactly when you expect to
>>>arrive.
>>>
>>>You will be given a number which you must write on a card and display in the
>>>window for your entire drive. You will be given a time you can leave, and
>>>what roads you are to follow.
>>>
>>>You will need to call a traffic cop on your cell phone prior to leaving,
>>>during the trip, and until you reach your destination. You will be required
to
>>>stay in constant communication. They will tell you when you are okay to enter
>>>that 75 mile radius, and then you will talk to them for the entire drive,
>>>including following any new instructions.
>>>
>>>Now... If you take a wrong turn, fail to display the card properly, fail to
>>>follow the traffic cop's instructions, lose cell phone coverage, or any of
a
>>>whole host of other things occur such as mechanical problems, you can lose
>>>your drivers license, and possibly be arrested. If your cell phone signal
>>>fades, the traffic cop gives confusing or contradictory instructions, or a
little
>>>dirt or sun glare makes the card hard to read, that is entirely your problem
>>>to correct, or deal with the consequences.
>>>
>>>If you drive a motorcycle and can't figure a way to mount the card or hear
>>>the cell phone over the motor and wind noise, that is your problem.
>>>
>>>If you get really lost and blunder into the wrong neighborhood, they might
>>>blow up your car with you in it. Deadly force is not only likely, but
>>>recommended.
>>>
>>>You will have to do this everywhere you go, even if you pull into the street
>>>to let you spouse out of the driveway. This is for every single-destination
>>>trip. If you are running errands, you must treat each leg as a separate trip.
>>>Good luck dealing with the authorities if you plan to depart or arrive
>>>anywhere that doesn't have a traditional driveway or parking lot.
>>>
>>>All skateboards, scooters, sleds, wagons, bicycles and tricycles are
>>>prohibited within that 75 miles.
>>>
>>>Sound ludicrous? Welcome to a fliers world.
>>>
>>>Small airplanes follow these restrictions every day in the ADIZ areas even
>>>though it is widely recognized that most general aviation aircraft cannot
>>>carry enough explosives to create damage even close to the explosion in OKC.
>>>
>>>Trucks however, are still allowed to drive right up to the front of most
>>>office buildings. Any terrorist (aka idiot) can rent one, from Ryder.
>>>
>>>All pilots are in favor of national security but there is a right way and a
>>>wrong way to acquire it.
>>>
>>>Creating a permanent ADIZ is the wrong way.
>>>
>>>Aircraft first, then soon, automobiles.
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>>>The FAA has extended the ADIZ public comment period until February 6, 2006,
>>>and will hold an AOPA-requested public meeting on its plan to make the
>>>Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) permanent.
>>>
>>>("AOPA" is the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association.)
>>>
>>>You can contact the FAA and voice your protest to this permanent ADIZ by
>>>going to:
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>>>_http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/_ (http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/)
>>>
>>>Thank you for your time, please act now.
>>>
>>>Jay Carpenter
>>>President - Texas Aviation Association
>>>512-454-5455
>>>_president@txaa.org_ (mailto:president@txaa.org)
>>>_www.txaa.org_ (http://www.txaa.org)
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| Subject: | Re: PERMANENT ADIZ |
--> Engines-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 1/14/06 8:36:45 AM, harvey.rule@sympatico.ca writes:
> Because of the Oklahoma City=A0 truck bombing, a law is passed that everyone
> >>>within 75 miles of any large=A0 city must place a call for every car trip
> they
> >>>make and give your name, car=A0 make, license plate number, what time you
> will be
> >>>leaving, specifically where=A0 you are going, and exactly when you expect
> to=A0
> >>>arrive.
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Wow, can you say police state?
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| Subject: | Re: PERMANENT ADIZ |
--> Engines-List message posted by: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
What in hells name does a truck bombing have to do with flying?That's
what I'd like to know?
>--> Engines-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
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>In a message dated 1/14/06 8:36:45 AM, harvey.rule@sympatico.ca writes:
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>>Because of the Oklahoma City=A0 truck bombing, a law is passed that everyone
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>>>>>within 75 miles of any large=A0 city must place a call for every car trip
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>>>>>make and give your name, car=A0 make, license plate number, what time you
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>>will be
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>>>>>leaving, specifically where=A0 you are going, and exactly when you expect
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>>to=A0
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>>>>>arrive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>Wow, can you say police state?
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Well Harvy, if you had been following the PERMANENT ADIZ thread, you would
know that someone made the strong and telling analogy between the permanent
ADIZ and similar treatment of ground vehicle traffic. They demonstrated, I
thought quite well, what would have happened if the Oklahoma City terrorist
bombing had caused the government to react to car and truck traffic like
they have to aircraft traffic after 9/11. The point (as I got it) being that
if the non-flying public new how intrusive and ineffective the permanent
ADIZ is, maybe they wouldn't be trying to make it bigger and create more of
them across the country, the thus severely impact our ability to fly.
That's "what in hells name a truck bombing has to do with flying". A DO NOT
ARCHIVE would have kept this out of the mass of information people will have
to dig through in the future to find what they are looking for.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Rule
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: PERMANENT ADIZ
--> Engines-List message posted by: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
What in hells name does a truck bombing have to do with flying?That's
what I'd like to know?
>--> Engines-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
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>In a message dated 1/14/06 8:36:45 AM, harvey.rule@sympatico.ca writes:
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>>Because of the Oklahoma City=A0 truck bombing, a law is passed that
everyone
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>>>>>within 75 miles of any large=A0 city must place a call for every car
trip
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>>they
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>>>>>make and give your name, car=A0 make, license plate number, what time
you
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>>will be
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>>>>>leaving, specifically where=A0 you are going, and exactly when you
expect
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>>>>>
>>to=A0
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>>>>>arrive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>Wow, can you say police state?
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