---------------------------------------------------------- Engines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/22/06: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:58 AM - Re: List Behaviour & Attitudes (Aaron Gustafson) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: Engines-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 03/21/06 (CardinalNSB@aol.com) 3. 10:14 AM - Re: Balanced (Konrad L. Werner) 4. 01:22 PM - Re: List Behaviour & Attitudes (Red Hamilton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:15 AM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Engines-List: List Behaviour & Attitudes --> Engines-List message posted by: "Aaron Gustafson" DITTO !!!! do not archive Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Konrad L. Werner" Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:03 AM Subject: Engines-List: List Behaviour & Attitudes > --> Engines-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" > > >> Snip < > ..... Most people who reply privately are very knowledgeable and don't > want to suffer all the criticism that an on list reply seems to invite > ..... >> Snip < > > I quite frankly miss the constructive input from some great people that > are no longer actively participating on these lists because of some other > "experts" attitudes! Perhaps these good guys now rather help from the > background and only give one-on-one advice, but forever withheld from the > archives (where the info would be most needed). How many people have been > turned away by the offensive etiquette sometimes displayed here. What a > strange phenomenon? > > And in regards to Archie F.: What a grand resource for all of us? > I have met and talked with him during Oshkosh, and he probably forgot more > about the subject of engine performance enhancements then I will ever know > about them? > > Ladies & Gentlemen, please lets practice some more class & discipline, > ...instead of offensive remarks about other peoples opinions about any > given subject. > > Thank you! > > To be ARCHIVED !!! > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:18 AM PST US From: CardinalNSB@aol.com Subject: Engines-List: Re: Engines-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 03/21/06 --> Engines-List message posted by: CardinalNSB@aol.com Dan Hooper, Would it be appropriate if you posted your private replies here on the engine balancing question, while deleting any personally identifiable information? For those who replied privately to Dan, would you mind if he posted the gist of the replies for all of us to read as long as it was not identifiable? An acquaintance of mine built/raced largest class motorcycles professionally, worked in the engine shop of one of the nationally well known aircraft rebuilders (saw engines coming in, built them, dealt with warranty problems, etc.), currently builds all his own stuff, and his advice is that at the rpm levels we are at with Lycoming 180's and for regular non-aerobatic flying, that the "regular" (whatever that means, probably factory) limits are good enough. He just laughed when I started talking about balancing combustion chamber cc, rod length, etc. On the other hand, an engineer at Powerflow told me that in order to get the best out of their exhaust, to check the cam because the factory limits are so loose some don't get the scavenging done even though within factory specs. Skip Simpson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:31 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Balanced --> Engines-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" >>SNIP ...that the "regular" (whatever that means, probably factory) limits are good enough. He just laughed when I started talking about balancing combustion chamber cc, rod length, etc. On the other hand, an engineer at Powerflow told me that in order to get the best out of their exhaust, to check the cam because the factory limits are so loose some don't get the scavenging done even though within factory specs. Skip Simpson >>SNIP Dear Skip, I think you are absolutely correct. The regular Lycoming specified limits are "good enough" to produce a "good enough" running engine. It may not necessarily be the greatest running engine, -nor the smoothest running engine. But it will be a "good enough" running engine. That it's technology standards are well seasoned (I am not saying that this is good or bad) is "good enough" for such an Engine to provide good service! And in regards to the Powerflow exhaust and their remark on the standard Lycoming camshaft specs, they may be loose but after all, they are "good enough" for a standard exhaust system! Good enough now, Konrad Do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:23 PM PST US From: "Red Hamilton" Subject: Re: Engines-List: List Behaviour & Attitudes --> Engines-List message posted by: "Red Hamilton" Too true! Red ----- Original Message ----- From: Konrad L. Werner To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Engines-List: List Behaviour & Attitudes --> Engines-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" > Snip < ..... Most people who reply privately are very knowledgeable and don't want to suffer all the criticism that an on list reply seems to invite ..... > Snip < I quite frankly miss the constructive input from some great people that are no longer actively participating on these lists because of some other "experts" attitudes! Perhaps these good guys now rather help from the background and only give one-on-one advice, but forever withheld from the archives (where the info would be most needed). How many people have been turned away by the offensive etiquette sometimes displayed here. What a strange phenomenon? And in regards to Archie F.: What a grand resource for all of us? I have met and talked with him during Oshkosh, and he probably forgot more about the subject of engine performance enhancements then I will ever know about them? Ladies & Gentlemen, please lets practice some more class & discipline, ...instead of offensive remarks about other peoples opinions about any given subject. Thank you! To be ARCHIVED !!!