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     4. 06:11 AM - Re: Engine instrumentation (Ken)
     5. 06:36 AM - Re: Engine instrumentation (Noel Loveys)
     6. 06:41 AM - Re: Engine instrumentation (Gary Casey)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine instrumentation | 
      
      I too am from the old school and I use mechanical gauges whenever I can.
       If fact my whole engine panel on my 801 is mech.  I also use a manifold
       vacuum gauge instead of a aircraft style manifold pressure one. The vac
      uum gauge is more precise and will show any problems with the motor, the
       pressure gauge is dampened a bit and probably wouldn't show a slightly 
      stuck valve, carb ice, poor ring seating,etc... Just my opinion of cours
      e...
      do not archive
      
      
      Ben Haas
      N801BH
      www.haaspowerair.com
      
      -- "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson@verizon.net> wrote:
      
      While I am waiting for my 601XL kit to arrive I have been playing around
       with instrument panel designs. I have done a great deal of research whi
      ch has answered most of my questions. I intend to use Autometer Z-series
       for engine instrumentation. They are good quality, relatively inexpensi
      ve and they have all the mechanical instruments that I want. (Ironic tha
      t I intend to use auto gauges for a Converted Corvair engine).  I am old
       fashioned. I like the idea of mechanical gauges that are not reliant on
       an electrical system. I have discovered that the car guys call several 
      instruments differently than the aircraft guys. One example, we call it 
      an EGT where they call it a pyrometer.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
       "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
      
      
      I intend to have:
      
      
      Tachometer
      Oil Temp
      Oil Pressure
      EGT with Left / Right switch for the two hottest cylinders
      Volts
      Alternator Idiot light
      Hourmeter
      
      
      My question to you guys is:
      
      
      What is the indication on a manifold pressure gauge? Should I be looking
       for a vacuum, boost or boost/vacuum gauge? As of today, there is not a 
      viable in flight adjustable prop available for the Corvair. Do I really 
      need a manifold pressure if I have a fixed pitch prop?  I know about Wil
      liam Wynne doing work on a fifth bearing for heaver props. When he gets 
      it working and available I may want to later upgrade to a constant speed
       prop. Should I plan my panel for a manifold pressure gauge anyway? I ha
      ve heard that it can be used with an EGT to help lean the engine on crus
      e. Is that true? I plan to build basic, to the plans and get in the air.
       However I will also plan for later expansion/upgrades. There will most 
      likely be several blanked out instrument & avionics holes in my panel wh
      en I first fly. My intentions are for day VFR but I will have lights any
      way.
      
      
      To qualify (or disqualify) my question, I am about 25 years out of curre
      ncy with 127 hours in Cessna 150, 152 and 172s. None of them had a manif
      old pressure gauge so I never learned anything about them. When I get wi
      thin a year or so of finishing, I plan to get current again renting a 60
      1XL from the local FBO. There are two 601s within 50 miles today. I will
       bet there will be more by the time I am ready.
      
      
      Dave Thompson
      dave.thompson@verizon.net
      Partially built Corvair, 601XL on order
      Do not archive
      
      
      <html><P>I too am from the old school and I use mechanical gauges whenev
      er I can. If fact my whole engine panel on my 801 is mech.  I also 
      use a manifold vacuum gauge instead of a aircraft style manifold pressur
      e one. The vacuum gauge is more precise and will show any problems with 
      the motor, the pressure gauge is dampened a bit and probably wouldn't sh
      ow a slightly stuck valve, carb ice, poor ring seating,etc... Just my op
      inion of course...</P>
      <P>do not archive<BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair
      .com<BR><BR>-- "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson@verizon.
      net> wrote:<BR></P>
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      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">While I am waiting for my 601XL kit to 
      arrive I have been playing around with instrument panel designs. I have 
      done a great deal of research which has answered most of my questions. I
       intend to use Autometer Z-series for engine instrumentation. They are g
      ood quality, relatively inexpensive and they have all the mechanical ins
      truments that I want. (Ironic that I intend to use auto gauges for a Con
      verted Corvair engine).  I am old fashioned. I like the idea of mec
      hanical gauges that are not reliant on an electrical system. I have disc
      overed that the car guys call several instruments differently than the a
      ircraft guys. One example, we call it an EGT where they call it a pyrome
      ter.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:offic
      e:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">I intend to have:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FO
      NT></P>
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      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Tachometer<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Oil Temp<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Oil Pressure<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></
      P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">EGT with Left / Right switch for the tw
      o hottest cylinders<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Volts<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Alternator Idiot light<o:p></o:p></SPAN
      ></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Hourmeter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">My question to you guys is:<o:p></o:p><
      /SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">What is the indication on a manifold pr
      essure gauge? Should I be looking for a vacuum, boost or boost/vacuum ga
      uge? As of today, there is not a viable in flight adjustable prop availa
      ble for the Corvair. Do I really need a manifold pressure if I have a fi
      xed pitch prop?  I know about William Wynne doing work on a fifth b
      earing for heaver props. When he gets it working and available I may wan
      t to later upgrade to a constant speed prop. Should I plan my panel for 
      a manifold pressure gauge anyway? I have heard that it can be used with 
      an EGT to help lean the engine on cruse. Is that true? I plan to build b
      asic, to the plans and get in the air. However I will also plan for late
      r expansion/upgrades. There will most likely be several blanked out inst
      rument & avionics holes in my panel when I first fly. My intentions 
      are for day VFR but I will have lights anyway.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><
      /P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-S
      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">To qualify (or disqualify) my question,
       I am about 25 years out of currency with 127 hours in Cessna 150, 152 a
      nd 172s. None of them had a manifold pressure gauge so I never learned a
      nything about them. When I get within a year or so of finishing, I plan 
      to get current again renting a 601XL from the local FBO. There are two 6
      01s within 50 miles today. I will bet there will be more by the time I a
      m ready.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-
      SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Dave Thompson<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
      </P>
      <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-
      SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier"><A href="mailto:dave.thompson@verizo
      n.net">dave.thompson@verizon.net</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-
      SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Partially built Corvair, 601XL on orde
      r<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
      <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Courier size=2><SPAN style="FONT-
      SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier">Do not archive<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT
      ></P>
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      IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DI
      V></html>
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine instrumentation | 
      
      Hi Dave,
      
      I have flown my RV-6A powered with a Mazda Rotary engine and a fixed 
      pitch prop.  Not a corvair (good engine by the way), but perhaps my 
      experience and view points may help.
      
      I have found 5 engine performance instruments that I consider very 
      useful in fine tuning for maximum performance as well as trouble 
      shooting.  
      
      1.  RPM - pretty much goes without saying that you need one
      2.  Fuel Flow Meter (a good indicator of the amount fuel you are burning 
      and therefore the power you are producing)
      3.  Air/Fuel Ratio Indicator (immediately tells you whether your engine 
      is operating in the lean (less power more economy) or the rich (more 
      power, less economy) region.
      4.  Manifold pressure gauge (you can use a vacuum gauge - but almost all 
      flyers and reference to engine use manifold pressure with 29.92 inches 
      of Mercury being the manifold pressure when the throttle is wide open or 
      in other words - atmospheric pressure at sea level on a standard 59F 
      day)
      5.  EGT  Gauge  (Useful depending on how many and  where they are 
      located.  Slowest of the instruments to indicate the engine's state, but 
      can show cylinders that are running lean/rich) and can aid in tuning - 
      particularly if you don't have the full set of instruments above).
      
      Here's my case for manifold pressure.  Unless you can measure your 
      manifold pressure - you really do not know how well (or bad) your 
      induction system is functioning.  For example, if you have a lossless 
      induction system (no pressure drop along it anywhere) then you should 
      see 29.92 " Hg with WOT (at sea level standard day).  If you are only 
      seeing say 26 " Hg then you are losing close to 4" of manifold pressure. 
       That means you are getting less air into your engine and therefore 
      producing less power.  Without the manifold pressure gauge, you might 
      know you are producing less than expected power, but you would not know 
      the reason.  Perhaps your throttle cable slipped and your throttle plate 
      is not fully open, perhaps a crimp in your air intake hose (if you use 
      one) restricting airflow, perhaps you have a air filter in need of 
      cleaning, etc.  This I think is worth knowing.
      
       My 0.02 worth
      
      Ed
      Ed Anderson
      Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
      Matthews, NC
      eanderson@carolina.rr.com
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Dave Thompson 
        To: engines-list@roxy.matronics.com 
        Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:11 AM
        Subject: Engines-List: Engine instrumentation
      
      
        While I am waiting for my 601XL kit to arrive I have been playing 
      around with instrument panel designs. I have done a great deal of 
      research which has answered most of my questions. I intend to use 
      Autometer Z-series for engine instrumentation. They are good quality, 
      relatively inexpensive and they have all the mechanical instruments that 
      I want. (Ironic that I intend to use auto gauges for a Converted Corvair 
      engine).  I am old fashioned. I like the idea of mechanical gauges that 
      are not reliant on an electrical system. I have discovered that the car 
      guys call several instruments differently than the aircraft guys. One 
      example, we call it an EGT where they call it a pyrometer.
      
         
      
        I intend to have:
      
         
      
        Tachometer
      
        Oil Temp
      
        Oil Pressure
      
        EGT with Left / Right switch for the two hottest cylinders
      
        Volts
      
        Alternator Idiot light
      
        Hourmeter
      
         
      
        My question to you guys is:
      
         
      
        What is the indication on a manifold pressure gauge? Should I be 
      looking for a vacuum, boost or boost/vacuum gauge? As of today, there is 
      not a viable in flight adjustable prop available for the Corvair. Do I 
      really need a manifold pressure if I have a fixed pitch prop?  I know 
      about William Wynne doing work on a fifth bearing for heaver props. When 
      he gets it working and available I may want to later upgrade to a 
      constant speed prop. Should I plan my panel for a manifold pressure 
      gauge anyway? I have heard that it can be used with an EGT to help lean 
      the engine on cruse. Is that true? I plan to build basic, to the plans 
      and get in the air. However I will also plan for later 
      expansion/upgrades. There will most likely be several blanked out 
      instrument & avionics holes in my panel when I first fly. My intentions 
      are for day VFR but I will have lights anyway.
      
         
      
        To qualify (or disqualify) my question, I am about 25 years out of 
      currency with 127 hours in Cessna 150, 152 and 172s. None of them had a 
      manifold pressure gauge so I never learned anything about them. When I 
      get within a year or so of finishing, I plan to get current again 
      renting a 601XL from the local FBO. There are two 601s within 50 miles 
      today. I will bet there will be more by the time I am ready.
      
         
      
        Dave Thompson
      
        dave.thompson@verizon.net
      
        Partially built Corvair, 601XL on order
      
        Do not archive
      
         
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine instrumentation | 
      
          A manifold pressure gauge is used with boosted engines, so if you 
      are not using a turbocharger or supercharger it would not be useful to 
      you. On normally aspirated engines the manifold works under vacuum not 
      pressure ,so you would want a vacuum gauge.
      Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
      Sonex #929
      
      
        While I am waiting for my 601XL kit to arrive I have been playing 
      around with instrument panel designs. I have done a great deal of 
      research which has answered most of my questions. I intend to use 
      Autometer Z-series for engine instrumentation. They are good quality, 
      relatively inexpensive and they have all the mechanical instruments that 
      I want. (Ironic that I intend to use auto gauges for a Converted Corvair 
      engine).  I am old fashioned. I like the idea of mechanical gauges that 
      are not reliant on an electrical system. I have discovered that the car 
      guys call several instruments differently than the aircraft guys. One 
      example, we call it an EGT where they call it a pyrometer.
      
         
      
        I intend to have:
      
         
      
        Tachometer
      
        Oil Temp
      
        Oil Pressure
      
        EGT with Left / Right switch for the two hottest cylinders
      
        Volts
      
        Alternator Idiot light
      
        Hourmeter
      
         
      
        My question to you guys is:
      
         
      
        What is the indication on a manifold pressure gauge? Should I be 
      looking for a vacuum, boost or boost/vacuum gauge? As of today, there is 
      not a viable in flight adjustable prop available for the Corvair. Do I 
      really need a manifold pressure if I have a fixed pitch prop?  I know 
      about William Wynne doing work on a fifth bearing for heaver props. When 
      he gets it working and available I may want to later upgrade to a 
      constant speed prop. Should I plan my panel for a manifold pressure 
      gauge anyway? I have heard that it can be used with an EGT to help lean 
      the engine on cruse. Is that true? I plan to build basic, to the plans 
      and get in the air. However I will also plan for later 
      expansion/upgrades. There will most likely be several blanked out 
      instrument & avionics holes in my panel when I first fly. My intentions 
      are for day VFR but I will have lights anyway.
      
         
      
        To qualify (or disqualify) my question, I am about 25 years out of 
      currency with 127 hours in Cessna 150, 152 and 172s. None of them had a 
      manifold pressure gauge so I never learned anything about them. When I 
      get within a year or so of finishing, I plan to get current again 
      renting a 601XL from the local FBO. There are two 601s within 50 miles 
      today. I will bet there will be more by the time I am ready.
      
         
      
        Dave Thompson
      
        dave.thompson@verizon.net
      
        Partially built Corvair, 601XL on order
      
        Do not archive
      
         
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine instrumentation | 
      
      --> Engines-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
      
      Hello Dave
      
      A boost or boost/vacuum gauge is required for a turbo or supercharged 
      engine only. You don't want that on a normally aspirated engine as it 
      would just compress the part of the scale that will be of use to you.
      
      A vacuum or manifold pressure gauge would be required with a constant 
      speed or in flight variable pitch prop. Some controllers for electric 
      variable pitch props might well display manifold pressure by the time 
      you purchase or construct such a thing. I left blank panel space near 
      the tach for one such device.
      
      With a manifold pressure guage reading absolute pressure and a 
      tachometer, you can make a little chart that will approximate you how 
      much power you are producing. You can't easilly do that with a vacuum 
      gauge as it references to ambient pressure and the chart would need a 
      separate page for every different pressure altitude. So I'd suggest that 
      the manifold pressure guage is more useful than an automotive vacuum 
      gauge if you have the choice. Neither is required with a nomally 
      aspirated engine and a fixed pitch prop. Not having one may keep your 
      eyes outside more which can be a good thing.
      
      If it weren't for the expense I'd prefer fuel flow over manifold pressure.
      
      EGT's are nice if you have a manual mixture control or if you must tune 
      the mixture. A pressure guage won't help with leaning from what I've seen.
      
      Ken
      
      Dave Thompson wrote:
      
      > While I am waiting for my 601XL kit to arrive I have been playing 
      > around with instrument panel designs. I have done a great deal of 
      > research which has answered most of my questions. I intend to use 
      > Autometer Z-series for engine instrumentation. They are good quality, 
      > relatively inexpensive and they have all the mechanical instruments 
      > that I want. (Ironic that I intend to use auto gauges for a Converted 
      > Corvair engine).  I am old fashioned. I like the idea of mechanical 
      > gauges that are not reliant on an electrical system. I have discovered 
      > that the car guys call several instruments differently than the 
      > aircraft guys. One example, we call it an EGT where they call it a 
      > pyrometer.
      >
      >  
      >
      > I intend to have:
      >
      >  
      >
      > Tachometer
      >
      > Oil Temp
      >
      > Oil Pressure
      >
      > EGT with Left / Right switch for the two hottest cylinders
      >
      > Volts
      >
      > Alternator Idiot light
      >
      > Hourmeter
      >
      >  
      >
      > My question to you guys is:
      >
      >  
      >
      > What is the indication on a manifold pressure gauge? Should I be 
      > looking for a vacuum, boost or boost/vacuum gauge? As of today, there 
      > is not a viable in flight adjustable prop available for the Corvair. 
      > Do I really need a manifold pressure if I have a fixed pitch prop?  I 
      > know about William Wynne doing work on a fifth bearing for heaver 
      > props. When he gets it working and available I may want to later 
      > upgrade to a constant speed prop. Should I plan my panel for a 
      > manifold pressure gauge anyway? I have heard that it can be used with 
      > an EGT to help lean the engine on cruse. Is that true? I plan to build 
      > basic, to the plans and get in the air. However I will also plan for 
      > later expansion/upgrades. There will most likely be several blanked 
      > out instrument & avionics holes in my panel when I first fly. My 
      > intentions are for day VFR but I will have lights anyway.
      >
      >  
      >
      > To qualify (or disqualify) my question, I am about 25 years out of 
      > currency with 127 hours in Cessna 150, 152 and 172s. None of them had 
      > a manifold pressure gauge so I never learned anything about them. When 
      > I get within a year or so of finishing, I plan to get current again 
      > renting a 601XL from the local FBO. There are two 601s within 50 miles 
      > today. I will bet there will be more by the time I am ready.
      >
      >  
      >
      > Dave Thompson
      >
      > dave.thompson@verizon.net <mailto:dave.thompson@verizon.net>
      >
      > Partially built Corvair, 601XL on order
      >
      > Do not archive
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Engine instrumentation | 
      
      I don't know if I'm old school....  there are days I just feel 
      old...only
      joking.
      
      I think the real advantage to electronic instruments is weight saving.  
      All
      my instruments are steam driven but in my small panel there isn't room 
      for
      much else and I wouldn't fly without mechanical backup.
      
      do not archive
      
      Noel
      
      -----Original Message-----
      [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      n801bh@netzero.com
      Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:10 AM
      
      
      I too am from the old school and I use mechanical gauges whenever I can. 
      If
      fact my whole engine panel on my 801 is mech.  I also use a manifold 
      vacuum
      gauge instead of a aircraft style manifold pressure one. The vacuum 
      gauge is
      more precise and will show any problems with the motor, the pressure 
      gauge
      is dampened a bit and probably wouldn't show a slightly stuck valve, 
      carb
      ice, poor ring seating,etc... Just my opinion of course...
      
      do not archive
      
      
      Ben Haas
      N801BH
      www.haaspowerair.com
      
      -- "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson@verizon.net> wrote:
      
      
      While I am waiting for my 601XL kit to arrive I have been playing around
      with instrument panel designs. I have done a great deal of research 
      which
      has answered most of my questions. I intend to use Autometer Z-series 
      for
      engine instrumentation. They are good quality, relatively inexpensive 
      and
      they have all the mechanical instruments that I want. (Ironic that I 
      intend
      to use auto gauges for a Converted Corvair engine).  I am old fashioned. 
      I
      like the idea of mechanical gauges that are not reliant on an electrical
      system. I have discovered that the car guys call several instruments
      differently than the aircraft guys. One example, we call it an EGT where
      they call it a pyrometer.
      
      
      I intend to have:
      
      
      Tachometer
      
      Oil Temp
      
      Oil Pressure
      
      EGT with Left / Right switch for the two hottest cylinders
      
      Volts
      
      Alternator Idiot light
      
      Hourmeter
      
      
      My question to you guys is:
      
      
      What is the indication on a manifold pressure gauge? Should I be looking 
      for
      a vacuum, boost or boost/vacuum gauge? As of today, there is not a 
      viable in
      flight adjustable prop available for the Corvair. Do I really need a
      manifold pressure if I have a fixed pitch prop?  I know about William 
      Wynne
      doing work on a fifth bearing for heaver props. When he gets it working 
      and
      available I may want to later upgrade to a constant speed prop. Should I
      plan my panel for a manifold pressure gauge anyway? I have heard that it 
      can
      be used with an EGT to help lean the engine on cruse. Is that true? I 
      plan
      to build basic, to the plans and get in the air. However I will also 
      plan
      for later expansion/upgrades. There will most likely be several blanked 
      out
      instrument & avionics holes in my panel when I first fly. My intentions 
      are
      for day VFR but I will have lights anyway.
      
      
      To qualify (or disqualify) my question, I am about 25 years out of 
      currency
      with 127 hours in Cessna 150, 152 and 172s. None of them had a manifold
      pressure gauge so I never learned anything about them. When I get within 
      a
      year or so of finishing, I plan to get current again renting a 601XL 
      from
      the local FBO. There are two 601s within 50 miles today. I will bet 
      there
      will be more by the time I am ready.
      
      
      Dave Thompson
      
      dave.thompson@verizon.net
      
      Partially built Corvair, 601XL on order
      
      Do not archive
      
      
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      --> Engines-List message posted by: Gary Casey <glcasey@adelphia.net>
      
      > I suggest that if you will be running a fixed-pitch prop you forget  
      > about a manifold pressure gage.  You will control the power  
      > primarily by throttling to get the rpm you want,not by looking at a  
      > manifold pressure gage.  It might be interesting and possibly  
      > informative, but it will add weight and complexity for very little  
      > benefit.  If you do decide to add the gage, an automotive vacuum or  
      > "boost" gage is not what you want - you need to measure Manifold  
      > ABSOLUTE Pressure (MAP), not pressure relative to atmosphere.   
      > Autometer might sell a true MAP gage, but I doubt it.  I generally  
      > agree with your choice of instruments, but I would add an oil  
      > pressure light as you should have immediate warning of low oil  
      > pressure.  Hobbs sells an oil pressure switch that has two sets of  
      > contacts, one to turn the Hobbs meter on with oil pressure and one  
      > to turn the light on without it.
      
      Gary Casey
      
      > Time: 10:16:48 PM PST US
      > From: "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson@verizon.net>
      > Subject: Engines-List: Engine instrumentation
      >
      > While I am waiting for my 601XL kit to arrive I have been playing  
      > around
      > with instrument panel designs. I have done a great deal of research  
      > which
      > has answered most of my questions. I intend to use Autometer Z- 
      > series for
      > engine instrumentation. They are good quality, relatively  
      > inexpensive and
      > they have all the mechanical instruments that I want. (Ironic that  
      > I intend
      > to use auto gauges for a Converted Corvair engine).  I am old  
      > fashioned. I
      > like the idea of mechanical gauges that are not reliant on an  
      > electrical
      > system. I have discovered that the car guys call several instruments
      > differently than the aircraft guys. One example, we call it an EGT  
      > where
      > they call it a pyrometer.
      >
      >
      > I intend to have:
      >
      >
      > Tachometer
      >
      > Oil Temp
      >
      > Oil Pressure
      >
      > EGT with Left / Right switch for the two hottest cylinders
      >
      > Volts
      >
      > Alternator Idiot light
      >
      > Hourmeter
      >
      >
      > My question to you guys is:
      >
      >
      > What is the indication on a manifold pressure gauge? Should I be  
      > looking for
      > a vacuum, boost or boost/vacuum gauge? As of today, there is not a  
      > viable in
      > flight adjustable prop available for the Corvair. Do I really need a
      > manifold pressure if I have a fixed pitch prop?  I know about  
      > William Wynne
      > doing work on a fifth bearing for heaver props. When he gets it  
      > working and
      > available I may want to later upgrade to a constant speed prop.  
      > Should I
      > plan my panel for a manifold pressure gauge anyway? I have heard  
      > that it can
      > be used with an EGT to help lean the engine on cruse. Is that true?  
      > I plan
      > to build basic, to the plans and get in the air. However I will  
      > also plan
      > for later expansion/upgrades. There will most likely be several  
      > blanked out
      > instrument & avionics holes in my panel when I first fly. My  
      > intentions are
      > for day VFR but I will have lights anyway.
      >
      >
      > To qualify (or disqualify) my question, I am about 25 years out of  
      > currency
      > with 127 hours in Cessna 150, 152 and 172s. None of them had a  
      > manifold
      > pressure gauge so I never learned anything about them. When I get  
      > within a
      > year or so of finishing, I plan to get current again renting a  
      > 601XL from
      > the local FBO. There are two 601s within 50 miles today. I will bet  
      > there
      > will be more by the time I am ready.
      >
      >
      > Dave Thompson
      >
      > dave.thompson@verizon.net
      >
      > Partially built Corvair, 601XL on order
      >
      > Do not archive
      >
      >
      
      
 
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