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I have been talking to them for 5 years. Promises, promises, Promises,,,
They have a great idea and the potential for a new powerplant is right
on thier doorstep. They just can't seem to figure out how to open that d
oor. After hearing, "next month" for years now my bets are they will del
iver engines to customers in 2012, Maybe.........................
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Engines-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth
.net>
Martin Sobel wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vator@comcast.net>
>
>I just returned from OSH.
>
>I have been looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past sever
al
>years.
>
>See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com
>
>Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of th
is
>diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time
a
>Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years
fuel
>prices.
>
>I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchan
ts
><http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine moun
t and
>cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders interes
ted
>in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount
and
>Cowl.
>
>One of LoPresti=B9s concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is
that
>it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production
>engine would need an STC=B9d design. Selling only firewall forward kits
might
>help solve this problem. Any other ideas?
>
>MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Compo
sites
><http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller shor
tly.
>
>I am hoping to get some support from Van=B9s in identifying builders wh
o might
>be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not be
en
>too supportive of alternative engines.
>
>I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for thei
r
>engines.
>
>Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will
>visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress.
The
>180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl
>should yield additional speed or economies. I don=B9t think that there
is a
>better design company than LoPresti.
>
>As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very
busy,
>but he would talk with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is
>LoPresti for that matter.
>
>I=B9d also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders
. I may
>be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.
>
>Martin Sobel
>7040 Treymore Court
>Sarasota, FL 34243-5500
>941-359-8693
>941-539-4806 (Cell)
>941-355-7732 (Fax)
>614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)
>
I spent some time talking to them, also. If they will ever have a little
zen moment of enlightenment & realize that they've got to beat the Lyc
price point to sell any volume, they will likely sell a lot of engines.
(No government money involvement is an encouraging sign.)
I'm building a -7. Motor mount & cooling system are much bigger concerns
to me than the custom cowl.
If you aren't too far along, keep an eye on Mistral. they are pretty far
along in the certification process on a Wankel (Mazda) rotary, & intend
to build a spark assisted diesel version after certification is
completed on the gas version.
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<html><P>I have been talking to them for 5 years. Promises, promises, Pr
omises,,, They have a great idea and the potential for a new powerplant
is right on thier doorstep. They just can't seem to figure out how to op
en that door. After hearing, "next month" for years now my bets are they
will deliver engines to customers in 2012, Maybe.......................
..</P>
<P>do not archive<BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair
.com<BR><BR>-- Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.ne
t> wrote:<BR>--> Engines-List message posted&n
bsp;by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net><B
R><BR>Martin Sobel wrote:<BR><BR>>--> Engines-List&
nbsp;message posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vat
or@comcast.net><BR>><BR>>I just returned from&nb
sp;OSH.<BR>><BR>>I have been looking at&
nbsp;the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the&
nbsp;past several<BR>>years.<BR>><BR>>See: http://www
.deltahawkengines.com<BR>><BR>>Despite the difficulty&nb
sp;of a brand new engine, I feel the&
nbsp;benefits of this<BR>>diesel are too num
erous to overlook. It will pay for it
self by the time a<BR>>Lycoming is due&
nbsp;for an overhaul. This forecast was ma
de with last years fuel<BR>>prices.<BR>><BR>&g
t;I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt&nbs
p;LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchants<BR>><ht
tp://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing
both an engine mount and<BR>>cowl for t
he RV-8. If I can get a sufficient&nb
sp;number of builders interested<BR>>in the
DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to d
esign an engine mount and<BR>>Cowl.<BR>><BR>&g
t;One of LoPresti=B9s concerns about getting&nb
sp;into the homebuilt market is that<BR>>it&
nbsp;is very easy to rip off a design
for a cowl or fairing. A production<
BR>>engine would need an STC=B9d design.&nbs
p;Selling only firewall forward kits might<BR>&
gt;help solve this problem. Any other idea
s?<BR>><BR>>MT has a constant speed prope
ller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Compo
sites<BR>><http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be&nbs
p;supplying a test propeller shortly.<BR>><BR>>
;I am hoping to get some support from
Van=B9s in identifying builders who might
<BR>>be interested in taking the plunge,&nbs
p;but as you may know, Van has not&nb
sp;been<BR>>too supportive of alternative engines
.<BR>><BR>>I have also spoken with DeltaH
awk about starting a Yahoo Group for
their<BR>>engines.<BR>><BR>>Should there be suff
icient interest to proceed with this progr
am I will<BR>>visit DeltaHawk for a fir
st hand view of their engine and its&
nbsp;progress. The<BR>>180 hp engine will be
perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly d
esigned cowl<BR>>should yield additional speed&nb
sp;or economies. I don=B9t think that ther
e is a<BR>>better design company than L
oPresti.<BR>><BR>>As a back up, I also&nb
sp;spoke with Sam James. He said that 
;they were very busy,<BR>>but he would
talk with me. His location is not too
far from me, nor is<BR>>LoPresti for&n
bsp;that matter.<BR>><BR>>I=B9d also appreciate&nbs
p;any ideas in getting this word out
to RV builders. I may<BR>>be that RV&nb
sp;7 and 9 builders could also benefit&nbs
p;from this program.<BR>><BR>>Martin Sobel<BR>>7
040 Treymore Court<BR>>Sarasota, FL 34243-5500<BR
>>941-359-8693<BR>>941-539-4806 (Cell)<BR>>941-355-7732&nb
sp;(Fax)<BR>>614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)<BR>><BR><BR>I&n
bsp;spent some time talking to them, also.
If they will ever have a little 
;<BR>zen moment of enlightenment & realize&
nbsp;that they've got to beat the Lyc 
;<BR>price point to sell any volume, they&
nbsp;will likely sell a lot of engines.&nb
sp;<BR>(No government money involvement is an&n
bsp;encouraging sign.)<BR><BR>I'm building a -7.&nbs
p;Motor mount & cooling system are muc
h bigger concerns <BR>to me than the
custom cowl.<BR><BR>If you aren't too far
along, keep an eye on Mistral. they a
re pretty far <BR>along in the certificati
on process on a Wankel (Mazda) rotary,&nbs
p;& intend <BR>to build a spark assist
ed diesel version after certification is <
BR>completed on the gas version.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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| Subject: | Re: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's |
3 years ago I wanted the DeltaHawk engine and it was only 6 months away then........
"n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com> wrote: I have been talking to them
for 5 years. Promises, promises, Promises,,, They have a great idea and the potential
for a new powerplant is right on thier doorstep. They just can't seem
to figure out how to open that door. After hearing, "next month" for years now
my bets are they will deliver engines to customers in 2012, Maybe.........................
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Engines-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Martin Sobel wrote:
>--> Engines-List message posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vator@comcast.net>
>
>I just returned from OSH.
>
>I have been looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past several
>years.
>
>See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com
>
>Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of this
>diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time a
>Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years fuel
>prices.
>
>I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchants
><http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount and
>cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders interested
>in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount and
>Cowl.
>
>One of LoPrestis concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is that
>it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production
>engine would need an STCd design. Selling only firewall forward kits might
>help solve this problem. Any other ideas?
>
>MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Composites
><http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller shortly.
>
>I am hoping to get some support from Vans in identifying builders who might
>be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not been
>too supportive of alternative engines.
>
>I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their
>engines.
>
>Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will
>visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress. The
>180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl
>should yield additional speed or economies. I dont think that there is a
>better design company than LoPresti.
>
>As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very busy,
>but he would talk ;with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is
>LoPresti for that matter.
>
>Id also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders. I may
>be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.
>
>Martin Sobel
>7040 Treymore Court
>Sarasota, FL 34243-5500
>941-359-8693
>941-539-4806 (Cell)
>941-355-7732 (Fax)
>614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)
>
I spent some time talking to them, also. If they will ever have a little
zen moment of enlightenment & realize that they've got to beat the ;Lyc
price point to sell any volume, they will likely sell a lot of engines.
(No government money involvement is an encouraging sign.)
I'm building a -7. Motor mount & cooling system are much bigger concerns
to me than the custom cowl.
If you aren't too far along, keep an eye on Mistral. they are pretty far
along in the certification process on a Wankel (Mazda) rotary, & intend
to build a spark assisted diesel version after certification is
completed on the gas version.
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Mike" <mlas@cox.net>
Martin,
Just a thought since your in the home build world with the RV, why don't
you do the engine mount and fairings yourself. I am an IE and work with
many local engineers to over come design issues all the time. You would
find that you could do this for much less and in most cases get a better
product. And use that idea of ripe off as it relates to design
information. The first thing I would do is get the drawings of the
Diamond aircraft engine mount and redesign it for the RV. Look at why
and how they did what they did and reverse engineer it, it's not that
hard. As far as the fairings/cowling and as a composite home builder,
these are very easy thing to make and design using what is out there as
a base model.
Just an idea,
Mike L
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Sobel
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:36 PM
--> Engines-List message posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vator@comcast.net>
I just returned from OSH.
I have been looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past
several
years.
See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com
Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of
this
diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time
a
Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years
fuel
prices.
I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed
Merchants
<http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount
and
cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders
interested
in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount
and
Cowl.
One of LoPrestis concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is
that
it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production
engine would need an STCd design. Selling only firewall forward kits
might
help solve this problem. Any other ideas?
MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero
Composites
<http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller
shortly.
I am hoping to get some support from Vans in identifying builders who
might
be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not
been
too supportive of alternative engines.
I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their
engines.
Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will
visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress.
The
180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl
should yield additional speed or economies. I dont think that there is
a
better design company than LoPresti.
As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very
busy,
but he would talk with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is
LoPresti for that matter.
Id also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders. I
may
be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.
Martin Sobel
7040 Treymore Court
Sarasota, FL 34243-5500
941-359-8693
941-539-4806 (Cell)
941-355-7732 (Fax)
614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)
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| Subject: | DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's |
Ya still need the Deltahawk engine............................ If it eve
r gets delivered can you imagine getting replacement parts for it. This
is the main reason I created a firewall forward installation using a V-8
Ford for my 801. It was not easy but it was "educational" <G>
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Mike" <mlas@cox.net> wrote:
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Mike" <mlas@cox.net>
Martin,
Just a thought since your in the home build world with the RV, why don't
you do the engine mount and fairings yourself. I am an IE and work with
many local engineers to over come design issues all the time. You would
find that you could do this for much less and in most cases get a better
product. And use that idea of ripe off as it relates to design
information. The first thing I would do is get the drawings of the
Diamond aircraft engine mount and redesign it for the RV. Look at why
and how they did what they did and reverse engineer it, it's not that
hard. As far as the fairings/cowling and as a composite home builder,
these are very easy thing to make and design using what is out there as
a base model.
Just an idea,
Mike L
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Sobel
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:36 PM
--> Engines-List message posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vator@comcast.net>
I just returned from OSH.
I have been looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past
several
years.
See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com
Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of
this
diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time
a
Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years
fuel
prices.
I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed
Merchants
<http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount
and
cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders
interested
in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount
and
Cowl.
One of LoPresti=B9s concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is
that
it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production
engine would need an STC=B9d design. Selling only firewall forward kits
might
help solve this problem. Any other ideas?
MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero
Composites
<http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller
shortly.
I am hoping to get some support from Van=B9s in identifying builders who
might
be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not
been
too supportive of alternative engines.
I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their
engines.
Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will
visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress.
The
180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl
should yield additional speed or economies. I don=B9t think that there i
s
a
better design company than LoPresti.
As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very
busy,
but he would talk with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is
LoPresti for that matter.
I=B9d also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders.
I
may
be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.
Martin Sobel
7040 Treymore Court
Sarasota, FL 34243-5500
941-359-8693
941-539-4806 (Cell)
941-355-7732 (Fax)
614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)
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<html>Ya still need the Deltahawk engine............................ If
it ever gets delivered can you imagine getting replacement parts for it.
This is the main reason I created a firewall forward installation using
a V-8 Ford for my 801. It was not easy but it was "education
al" <G> <BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowera
ir.com<BR><BR>-- "Mike" <mlas@cox.net> wrote:<BR>--
> Engines-List message posted by: "Mike"&nbs
p;<mlas@cox.net><BR><BR>Martin,<BR><BR>Just a thought&nb
sp;since your in the home build world 
;with the RV, why don't<BR>you do the 
;engine mount and fairings yourself. I&nb
sp;am an IE and work with<BR>many local&nb
sp;engineers to over come design issues al
l the time. You would<BR>find that y
ou could do this for much less and&nb
sp;in most cases get a better<BR>product.
And use that idea of ripe off a
s it relates to design<BR>information. Th
e first thing I would do is get
the drawings of the<BR>Diamond aircraft engine&
nbsp;mount and redesign it for the RV.&nbs
p; Look at why<BR>and how they did wh
at they did and reverse engineer it,
it's not that<BR>hard. As far as the
fairings/cowling and as a composite home&
nbsp;builder,<BR>these are very easy thing to&n
bsp;make and design using what is out 
;there as<BR>a base model. <BR><BR>Just an 
;idea,<BR><BR>Mike L<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>[mai
lto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Martin<BR>Sobel<BR>Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 
;2006 7:36 PM<BR><BR>--> Engines-List message&nbs
p;posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vator@comcast.net&g
t;<BR><BR>I just returned from OSH.<BR><BR>I ha
ve been looking at the 180 hp D
eltaHawk Diesel over the past<BR>several<BR>years.<B
R><BR>See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com<BR><BR>Despite the&
nbsp;difficulty of a brand new engine, I&n
bsp;feel the benefits of<BR>this<BR>diesel are
too numerous to overlook. It will pay 
;for itself by the time<BR>a<BR>Lycoming is&nbs
p;due for an overhaul. This forecast was&n
bsp;made with last years<BR>fuel<BR>prices.<BR><BR>I 
;spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPres
ti of LoPresti Speed<BR>Merchants<BR><http://www.speed
mods.com> about LoPresti designing both an&n
bsp;engine mount<BR>and<BR>cowl for the RV-8. I
f I can get a sufficient number of&nb
sp;builders<BR>interested<BR>in the DeltaHawk engine,&nbs
p;LoPresti has agreed to design an engine&
nbsp;mount<BR>and<BR>Cowl.<BR><BR>One of LoPresti=B9s con
cerns about getting into the homebuilt mar
ket is<BR>that<BR>it is very easy to rip&n
bsp;off a design for a cowl or fairin
g. A production<BR>engine would need an ST
C=B9d design. Selling only firewall forward&nbs
p;kits<BR>might<BR>help solve this problem. Any 
;other ideas?<BR><BR>MT has a constant speed&nb
sp;propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero<BR
>Composites<BR><http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be&n
bsp;supplying a test propeller<BR>shortly.<BR><BR>I
am hoping to get some support from Va
n=B9s in identifying builders who<BR>might<BR>be&nbs
p;interested in taking the plunge, but as&
nbsp;you may know, Van has not<BR>been<BR>too&n
bsp;supportive of alternative engines.<BR><BR>I have
also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting
a Yahoo Group for their<BR>engines.<BR><BR>Sho
uld there be sufficient interest to procee
d with this program I will<BR>visit DeltaH
awk for a first hand view of their&nb
sp;engine and its progress.<BR>The<BR>180 hp en
gine will be perfect for the RV-8/A.
A properly designed cowl<BR>should yield additi
onal speed or economies. I don=B9t think&n
bsp;that there is<BR>a<BR>better design company 
;than LoPresti.<BR><BR>As a back up, I als
o spoke with Sam James. He said that&
nbsp;they were very<BR>busy,<BR>but he would ta
lk with me. His location is not too&n
bsp;far from me, nor is<BR>LoPresti for th
at matter.<BR><BR>I=B9d also appreciate any ide
as in getting this word out to RV&nbs
p;builders. I<BR>may<BR>be that RV 7 and 9
builders could also benefit from this&nbs
p;program.<BR><BR>Martin Sobel<BR>7040 Treymore Court<BR>
Sarasota, FL 34243-5500<BR>941-359-8693<BR>941-539-4806 (
Cell)<BR>941-355-7732 (Fax)<BR>614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06
)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <BR>&nb
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