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1. 07:47 AM - Illegal Crankshaft Question (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
2. 09:35 AM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (john koning)
3. 12:12 PM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (Red Hamilton)
4. 02:56 PM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (Archie)
5. 05:56 PM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (n801bh@netzero.com)
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| Subject: | Illegal Crankshaft Question |
I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought
through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.
This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits".
It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality
issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning
LIO-360.
Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that
feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor
in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located
in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach
the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is
needed most.
I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine
is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I
approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford
to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper
crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question |
Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight
on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical
first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with
another person?
John
Hamilton Ontario,Canada.
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through
Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.
This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits".
It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues.
The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.
Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds
oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in
"The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the
area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing,
and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.
I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is
illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I approach
the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford to
run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft
for the engine I paid good money for.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question |
My views also, give the shop a chance.
Red Hamilton
----- Original Message -----
From: john koning
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question
Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an
honest oversight on their part.Calling them first and explaining the
problem seems the logical first step.Does litigation need to precede a
one on one conversation with another person?
John
Hamilton Ontario,Canada.
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I
bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought)
Florida shop.
This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new
limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several
quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a
left turning LIO-360.
Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil
hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place
according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and
Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the
amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing
area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.
I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified
engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I
do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the
FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to
at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question |
Ditto, here.
I have at least two people a month that come in and want me to correct
another shop's screw up.
Well, guess what? Frequently it is the person complaining that has no
clue,
or in some cases, the "other" shop did just exactly what the customer
wanted.
I try not to involve myself in these matters unless they are
irresolvable.
My first suggestion is to go back, or call the shop, and see if this can
reach
an amicable solution
I would also want the opportunity to review the issues of an unhappy
customer from my shop.
We are not infallible, although some might disagree.
If this is in an experimental aircraft, and you wish to improve the
oiling, take it to a
racing engine shop, and have it crossdrilled. (and while apart, have it
balanced)
Archie
----- Original Message -----
From: Red Hamilton
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question
My views also, give the shop a chance.
Red Hamilton
----- Original Message -----
From: john koning
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question
Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an
honest oversight on their part.Calling them first and explaining the
problem seems the logical first step.Does litigation need to precede a
one on one conversation with another person?
John
Hamilton Ontario,Canada.
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I
bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought)
Florida shop.
This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to
new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found
several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft
was from a left turning LIO-360.
Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil
hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place
according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and
Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the
amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing
area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.
I have been told that using this crank in a right turning
certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what
should I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go
directly to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I
would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid
good money for.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question |
let me guess, it was either Dick Waters ao his son Donnie George......
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought
through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florid
a shop. This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to
new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found sever
al quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was fro
m a left turning LIO-360. Using a left turning crank in a right turnin
g engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the wor
st possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine
in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force wh
ich limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces
the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most. I have been
told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illeg
al according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I app
roach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't aff
ord to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the p
roper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for. Dan HopperWalton,
INRV-7A
<html><P>let me guess, it was either Dick Waters ao his son Donnie Georg
e......<BR></P>
<P>do not archive<BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair.com
<BR><BR>-- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:<BR></P>
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<DIV>I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bou
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<DIV>This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new
limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I foun
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<DIV>Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts
the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible p
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ts the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bea
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<DIV>I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified
engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what shoul
d I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directl
y to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I w
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<DIV>Walton, IN</DIV>
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