---------------------------------------------------------- Engines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/13/06: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:47 AM - Illegal Crankshaft Question (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 2. 09:35 AM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (john koning) 3. 12:12 PM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (Red Hamilton) 4. 02:56 PM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (Archie) 5. 05:56 PM - Re: Illegal Crankshaft Question (n801bh@netzero.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:21 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop. This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360. Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most. I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for. Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:45 AM PST US From: john koning Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with another person? John Hamilton Ontario,Canada. Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop. This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360. Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most. I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for. Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:22 PM PST US From: "Red Hamilton" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question My views also, give the shop a chance. Red Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: john koning To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with another person? John Hamilton Ontario,Canada. Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop. This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360. Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most. I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for. Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:14 PM PST US From: "Archie" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question Ditto, here. I have at least two people a month that come in and want me to correct another shop's screw up. Well, guess what? Frequently it is the person complaining that has no clue, or in some cases, the "other" shop did just exactly what the customer wanted. I try not to involve myself in these matters unless they are irresolvable. My first suggestion is to go back, or call the shop, and see if this can reach an amicable solution I would also want the opportunity to review the issues of an unhappy customer from my shop. We are not infallible, although some might disagree. If this is in an experimental aircraft, and you wish to improve the oiling, take it to a racing engine shop, and have it crossdrilled. (and while apart, have it balanced) Archie ----- Original Message ----- From: Red Hamilton To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question My views also, give the shop a chance. Red Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: john koning To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with another person? John Hamilton Ontario,Canada. Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop. This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360. Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most. I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for. Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:41 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Illegal Crankshaft Question let me guess, it was either Dick Waters ao his son Donnie George...... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florid a shop. This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found sever al quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was fro m a left turning LIO-360. Using a left turning crank in a right turnin g engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the wor st possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force wh ich limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most. I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illeg al according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I app roach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't aff ord to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the p roper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for. Dan HopperWalton, INRV-7A

let me guess, it was either Dick Waters ao his son Donnie Georg e......

do not archive

Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com

-- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:

 
I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bou ght through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I though t) Florida shop.
 
This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits".  It looked very good on the outside.  Inside, I foun d several quality issues.  The most glaring one was that the cranks haft was from a left turning LIO-360. 
 
Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible p lace according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory an d Practice."  It is located in the area of highest force which limi ts the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bea ring area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.
 
I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA.  My question is what shoul d I do?  Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directl y to the FAA?  I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I w ould like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid go od money for.
 
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A