---------------------------------------------------------- Engines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/11/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Archie) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (n801bh@netzero.com) 3. 06:54 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 4. 07:02 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 5. 07:11 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 6. 07:35 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Wayne Sweet) 7. 02:49 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Ed Anderson) 8. 05:53 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Charlie England) 9. 08:01 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:28 AM PST US From: "Archie" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps --> Engines-List message posted by: "Archie" Correct. Any speed shop can help. Although electric auto racing pumps can run to $600.+, a decent one capable of alcohol and gasoline, w/ 140gph capacity may run around $200. Archie ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:19 AM Subject: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > --> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" parts > because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended up with > an > AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I can't help but > speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto racing world > that > can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely cost between 50-100 > dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA stamped part (who > knows > maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, > it's > likely the best mechanical system to be had today and Don Rivera's service > is top notch. But... these ridiculous prices for simple and proven > pumping > technology is idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone > researched using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) > for > this purpose. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. > > >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >>From: "BPA" >> >>The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >>simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >>pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:03 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps Holley pumps work great, been around a LONG time and are reasonably pric ed. The red pump has a 7psi output at 110 gph, the blue one is about the same with 14 psi discharge pressure. Both can be had at Jegs, Sunmmit a nd other mail order catalogs. Been running one in my race cars/boats/str eet rods and airplane for years and never had a failure. There's one in my beast and it flies almost every day here in Paradise.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" wrote: --> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" par ts because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended up wit h an AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I can't help b ut speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto racing world t hat can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely cost between 50-100 dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA stamped part (who k nows maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, it's likely the best mechanical system to be had today and Don Rivera's servi ce is top notch. But... these ridiculous prices for simple and proven pump ing technology is idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone researched using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for this purpose. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. >Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >From: "BPA" > >The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

Holley pumps work great, been around a LONG time and are reason ably priced. The red pump has a 7psi output at 110 gph, the blue one is about the same with 14 psi discharge pressure. Both can be had at Jegs, Sunmmit and other mail order catalogs. Been running one in my race cars/ boats/street rods and airplane for years and never had a failure. There' s one in my beast and it flies almost every day here in Paradise..

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@ve rizon.net> wrote:
--> Engines-List message  posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@v erizon.net>

These pumps are not rocket&nbs p;science but they are obviously "aircraft"&nbs p;parts
because the price is about 10 T IMES what it ought to be.  I end ed up with an
AFP fuel pump when M attituck sent me my finished engine.   ;I can't help but
speculate that there  HAS to be a similar pump in the  auto racing world that
can be used for& nbsp;this purpose.  That pump will likely& nbsp;cost between 50-100
dollars and be of&n bsp;equal or better quality than a PMA&nbs p;stamped part (who knows
maybe even AFP&nbs p;adapts one of these pumps). Not to  knock the AFP system, it's
likely the b est mechanical system to be had today  ;and Don Rivera's service
is top notch.  ; But... these ridiculous prices for simpl e and proven pumping
technology is idiotic&n bsp;(like many old low tech aircraft parts ).  Anyone
researched using an automotive&nb sp;racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc)&nbs p;for
this purpose.

Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N 197DM
Always blown away by the cost of& nbsp;"aircraft" parts. 


>Subject: RE:  RV-List: Curious
>From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.co m>
>
>The Airflow Performance boost p ump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight,
> simple in design and works. Everybody I&nb sp;know has problems with Duke
>pumps and  end up chucking them in the trash.
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Engines-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I have a dual electric pump only (no mechanical pump) RV7a...Fuel injected. I used the NAPA after market pump like the rotary boys do...I paid about $85 for each pump I think. Tracy Cook is the guy you want to talk to...he has a web site and his pump is listed there. He tells me he has never heard of a failure, except if you run thm dry. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps --> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" --> These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" parts because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended up with an AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I can't help but speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto racing world that can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely cost between 50-100 dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA stamped part (who knows maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, it's likely the best mechanical system to be had today and Don Rivera's service is top notch. But... these ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping technology is idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone researched using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for this purpose. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. >Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >From: "BPA" > >The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Engines-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I think 140GPH might be just a BIT high....like 4 TIMES what you need...:) I measured the $85 NAPA pumps at 38 GPH each. They run about 29psi in service...Pefect for a FI IO360. They are alcohol compatibible...they have to be to cope with ethanol laced auto fuel. So far we have been talking Fuel injection. Remember that for carburetted you can use a solid state fecet pump at about $30 a piece. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Archie Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:30 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps --> Engines-List message posted by: "Archie" Correct. Any speed shop can help. Although electric auto racing pumps can run to $600.+, a decent one capable of alcohol and gasoline, w/ 140gph capacity may run around $200. Archie ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:19 AM Subject: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > --> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" parts > because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended up with > an > AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I can't help but > speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto racing world > that > can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely cost between 50-100 > dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA stamped part (who > knows > maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, > it's > likely the best mechanical system to be had today and Don Rivera's service > is top notch. But... these ridiculous prices for simple and proven > pumping > technology is idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone > researched using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) > for > this purpose. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. > > >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >>From: "BPA" >> >>The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >>simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >>pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" For a Lycosaurus FI sysytem (either bendix or Airflow performance) I think the 14psi would be right on the bottom limit if i remember correctly. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:03 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps Holley pumps work great, been around a LONG time and are reasonably priced. The red pump has a 7psi output at 110 gph, the blue one is about the same with 14 psi discharge pressure. Both can be had at Jegs, Sunmmit and other mail order catalogs. Been running one in my race cars/boats/street rods and airplane for years and never had a failure. There's one in my beast and it flies almost every day here in Paradise.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" wrote: --> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" parts because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended up with an AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I can't help but speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto racing world that can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely cost between 50-100 dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA stamped part (who knows maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, it's likely the best mechanical system to be had today and Don Rivera's service is top notch. But... these ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping technology is idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone researched using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for this purpose. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. >Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >From: "BPA" > >The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:16 AM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps --> Engines-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" This is not to ruffle anyone's hair, BUT..... if a fuel pump in an auto craps out, some cuss words and a tow truck is about as far as it goes. It a pump fails in an airplane, most (but not all) pilot/owners will look for "Who can I suit?". This insurance costs money. We in the experimental end can install any type of pump we wish, so can bypass the expensive ones. I try to keep in mind, if we want the quality products from companies such as AFP's and their throttle bodies, etc., then we have to support them. OR..............it's Bendix and their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Just MHO. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:53 AM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > --> Engines-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > I have a dual electric pump only (no mechanical pump) RV7a...Fuel > injected. I used the NAPA after market pump like the rotary boys do...I > paid about $85 for each pump I think. > > Tracy Cook is the guy you want to talk to...he has a web site and his > pump is listed there. He tells me he has never heard of a failure, > except if you run thm dry. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN > PSIROPOULOS > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:20 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > > --> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > --> > > These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" > parts because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended > up with an AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I > can't help but speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto > racing world that can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely > cost between 50-100 dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA > stamped part (who knows maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not > to knock the AFP system, it's likely the best mechanical system to be > had today and Don Rivera's service is top notch. But... these > ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping technology is idiotic > (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone researched using an > automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for this purpose. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. > > >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >>From: "BPA" >> >>The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >>simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >>pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:51 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps --> Engines-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" I've flown 325 hours with dual electric pumps and have had no failures. Price was around $60 when I purchased them back in 1994. Both were MDS high pressure injector pumps and would flow 45 GPH at 40 psi. Test them each conditional inspection, one pump (primary) pressure has gradually decreased from 80 psi (no flow) to 60 psi over the years, the back up (used on take off and landing) still produces 80 psi. Never had a problem with them. Frank's right on - you can damage them if you run them dry for any period over a few seconds. I have run tanks dry before switching and that short period does not appear to cause damage. Tracy Crook flies with and sells a similar pump for aircraft use. His website is: http://www.rotaryaviation.com/ Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > --> Engines-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > I have a dual electric pump only (no mechanical pump) RV7a...Fuel > injected. I used the NAPA after market pump like the rotary boys do...I > paid about $85 for each pump I think. > > Tracy Cook is the guy you want to talk to...he has a web site and his > pump is listed there. He tells me he has never heard of a failure, > except if you run thm dry. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN > PSIROPOULOS > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:20 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > > --> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > --> > > These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" > parts because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended > up with an AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I > can't help but speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto > racing world that can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely > cost between 50-100 dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA > stamped part (who knows maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not > to knock the AFP system, it's likely the best mechanical system to be > had today and Don Rivera's service is top notch. But... these > ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping technology is idiotic > (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone researched using an > automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for this purpose. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. > > >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >>From: "BPA" >> >>The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >>simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >>pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:19 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps --> Engines-List message posted by: Charlie England Be advised that Tracy's pumps are true high pressure pumps designed for electronic injection (>50psi) & require the regulator to have a return line to the tank. (about 80% cheaper, though...) Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote: >--> Engines-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > >I have a dual electric pump only (no mechanical pump) RV7a...Fuel >injected. I used the NAPA after market pump like the rotary boys do...I >paid about $85 for each pump I think. > >Tracy Cook is the guy you want to talk to...he has a web site and his >pump is listed there. He tells me he has never heard of a failure, >except if you run thm dry. > >Frank > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN >PSIROPOULOS >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:20 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > >--> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >--> > >These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" >parts because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended >up with an AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I >can't help but speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto >racing world that can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely >cost between 50-100 dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA >stamped part (who knows maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not >to knock the AFP system, it's likely the best mechanical system to be >had today and Don Rivera's service is top notch. But... these >ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping technology is idiotic >(like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone researched using an >automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for this purpose. > >Dean Psiropoulos >RV-6A N197DM >Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. > > > > >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >>From: "BPA" >> >>The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >>simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >>pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:58 PM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Engines-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Yup which is what I did...:) Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps --> Engines-List message posted by: Charlie England --> Be advised that Tracy's pumps are true high pressure pumps designed for electronic injection (>50psi) & require the regulator to have a return line to the tank. (about 80% cheaper, though...) Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote: >--> Engines-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >--> > >I have a dual electric pump only (no mechanical pump) RV7a...Fuel >injected. I used the NAPA after market pump like the rotary boys do...I >paid about $85 for each pump I think. > >Tracy Cook is the guy you want to talk to...he has a web site and his >pump is listed there. He tells me he has never heard of a failure, >except if you run thm dry. > >Frank > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN >PSIROPOULOS >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:20 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Engines-List: Fuel Pumps > >--> Engines-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >--> > >These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" >parts because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended >up with an AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I >can't help but speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the >auto racing world that can be used for this purpose. That pump will >likely cost between 50-100 dollars and be of equal or better quality >than a PMA stamped part (who knows maybe even AFP adapts one of these >pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, it's likely the best mechanical >system to be had today and Don Rivera's service is top notch. But... >these ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping technology is >idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone researched >using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for this purpose. > >Dean Psiropoulos >RV-6A N197DM >Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. > > > > >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious >>From: "BPA" >> >>The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight, >>simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke >>pumps and end up chucking them in the trash. >> >> > > > >