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1. 05:07 PM - Re: T-3 FIREFLY (Doug Dodson)
2. 05:22 PM - Re: T-3 FIREFLY (Jeff Boatright)
3. 05:25 PM - Re: T-3 FIREFLY (Jim Baker)
4. 06:06 PM - Re: T-3 FIREFLY (Ed Chmielewski)
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Doug Dodson" <dodsond@qnet.com>
CYA doesn't wash because the "A" that bought the aircraft is long gone, and
no less than three subsequent Air Force Chiefs of Staff came to the same
decision after reviewing the situation (as it evolved) over a long period of
time. They were no doubt advised by their respective JAG officers as well
as MAJCOM commanders, contracting officers, financial officers, ... In the
big scheme of things, more resources were spent trying to get the aircraft
to work physically and politically than the darn things were worth.
Considering how much military equipment has been retired over the years,
there really isn't all that much in civilian hands. For aircraft at least,
most individuals that own a warbird got it from a third party such as a
foreign government or a military contractor that acquired the machine in
service of the government.
-Doug Dodson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: T-3 FIREFLY
--> Engines-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
So we've now had several people in the know tell us that the airplane
had problems, many of them brought on by the USAF higher-ups. The
USAF brass does the dirty deed (maybe they took lessons from
Chicago's Mayor Daley?) and then blames it on potential torts.
Hm.
I'd find them more believable if: 1) there was a history of similar
suits (there's an awful lot of military surplus equipment out there -
googling finds no cases brought against the feds due to selling Joe
Civie something that ended up killing him) and 2) if they didn't have
such a vested interest in making this all go away, what with being
(apparently) part of the original problem and then remaining
aggressively stupid about dealing with it.
There may be tons of surplus equipment tort cases out there
justifying blaming the litigation boogey man, so apologies if I
missed them. And apologies in advance if this opinion offends tender
sensibilities, but this sure smacks of classic CYA.
My less than two cents. Have great weekend, I'm off to fly the Piet!
--
_____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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--> Engines-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Doug,
Is it that you're arguing institutional CYA doesn't exist?
Jeff
>--> Engines-List message posted by: "Doug Dodson" <dodsond@qnet.com>
>
>CYA doesn't wash because the "A" that bought the aircraft is long gone, and
>no less than three subsequent Air Force Chiefs of Staff came to the same
>decision after reviewing the situation (as it evolved) over a long period of
time...
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, GA 30322
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
http://www.molvis.org/
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
> They were no doubt advised by their respective JAG officers as well
> as MAJCOM commanders, contracting officers, financial officers,
Wonder how quick they'd shut down sales of Continental
engined ground power units if they knew the engines were being
pulled and modded for aircraft use......
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Doug,
You must admit the tactics used in the Firefly disposal are pretty
unusual for what should otherwise be a relatively minor matter. CYA isn't
all that uncommon in the military and the Air Force-imposed mods to the T-3,
and the ensuing complications, make CYA all the more plausible.
Ed in JXN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Dodson" <dodsond@qnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: T-3 FIREFLY
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Doug Dodson" <dodsond@qnet.com>
>
> CYA doesn't wash because the "A" that bought the aircraft is long gone,
> and
> no less than three subsequent Air Force Chiefs of Staff came to the same
> decision after reviewing the situation (as it evolved) over a long period
> of
> time. They were no doubt advised by their respective JAG officers as well
> as MAJCOM commanders, contracting officers, financial officers, ... In the
> big scheme of things, more resources were spent trying to get the aircraft
> to work physically and politically than the darn things were worth.
>
> Considering how much military equipment has been retired over the years,
> there really isn't all that much in civilian hands. For aircraft at
> least,
> most individuals that own a warbird got it from a third party such as a
> foreign government or a military contractor that acquired the machine in
> service of the government.
>
> -Doug Dodson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
> Boatright
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:04 PM
> To: engines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Engines-List: T-3 FIREFLY
>
>
> --> Engines-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>
> So we've now had several people in the know tell us that the airplane
> had problems, many of them brought on by the USAF higher-ups. The
> USAF brass does the dirty deed (maybe they took lessons from
> Chicago's Mayor Daley?) and then blames it on potential torts.
>
> Hm.
>
> I'd find them more believable if: 1) there was a history of similar
> suits (there's an awful lot of military surplus equipment out there -
> googling finds no cases brought against the feds due to selling Joe
> Civie something that ended up killing him) and 2) if they didn't have
> such a vested interest in making this all go away, what with being
> (apparently) part of the original problem and then remaining
> aggressively stupid about dealing with it.
>
> There may be tons of surplus equipment tort cases out there
> justifying blaming the litigation boogey man, so apologies if I
> missed them. And apologies in advance if this opinion offends tender
> sensibilities, but this sure smacks of classic CYA.
>
> My less than two cents. Have great weekend, I'm off to fly the Piet!
> --
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
> Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
> Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
> mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
>
>
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