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1. 07:14 AM - Costly mistake (Bob)
2. 08:23 AM - Re: Engines-lack of usage (Noel Loveys)
3. 09:03 AM - Re: Engines-lack of usage (JIM AITKEN)
4. 11:48 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
5. 12:40 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Butch)
6. 01:09 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
7. 01:19 PM - Re: Costly mistake (William Becker)
8. 01:20 PM - Re: Costly mistake (William Becker)
9. 02:04 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 03:10 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Archie)
11. 03:38 PM - Re: Engines-lack of usage (jrc)
12. 03:40 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Dacha)
13. 03:51 PM - Re: Engines-lack of usage (Jeff Boatright)
14. 04:20 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Wayne Sweet)
15. 04:44 PM - Re: Costly mistake (William Becker)
16. 05:13 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Rick)
17. 06:06 PM - Re: Oil Consumption,was Costly mistake (n801bh@netzero.com)
18. 06:13 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Dacha)
19. 06:54 PM - Re: Costly mistake (n801bh@netzero.com)
20. 07:24 PM - Re: Costly mistake (john koning)
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Bought an aircraft, sight unseen, from Arizona with a Lyc 0 290 D2 wi
th
some 200 hours on a chrome major. After flying it for two years, could
never get the oil consumption down so decided to give it a top. When the
IA
opened it up, found a bad cam, lots of internal rust and a $15,000 major.
Don't know if Lyc is prone to these problems but will never trust another
purchase without a good internal inspection. Would have saved me thousan
ds.
Bob, Wichita
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| Subject: | Engines-lack of usage |
I think a lot has to do with how the engines were mothballed for storage.
Properly mothballed there should be no problems. Returning to service will
not just be a matter of pouring in some oil and heading out to the great
blue yonder. Cylinders should have had desiccant plugs and the base should
have been filled with preservative oil. The oil must be drained the engine
turned over with out the sparkplugs several times and then you can think
about putting fresh oil in. Installing plugs, possibly mags, carbs etc and
then there may, for a new engine, be a break in.
Best thing is to check the MM for the engine and any return to use
instructions that may have come with the engine. Pay particular attention
to the Maintenance Manual if you mothball the engine later.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> DEAN PSIROPOULOS
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:53 AM
> To: engines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Engines-List: Engines-lack of usage
>
>
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> I'm not sure that I actually heard an answer to the question
> posed the other
> day (feel free to kick me if I read right by it) so the real
> question still
> remains.... is an engine that has been sitting for a couple years in a
> hangar going to suffer from internal corrosion problems and
> have to be torn
> down before starting?
>
> How about a worst case scenario where a newly assembled
> engine is delivered
> to the tropics and stored in a hangar that is not climate
> controlled. The
> engine is pickled and plastic plugs have been installed in
> the openings but
> some of them don't seal very well and there are no dessicant plugs
> installed. Would a couple years under these conditions cause enough
> corrosion that the engine would have problems if one were to
> just fill it
> with oil and go fly it?
>
> What kind of problems would one expect?
>
> Is there any way to tell the extent of damage without major
> teardown or
> cylinder removal?
>
> What would you expect to see corroded inside (cam, rods,
> gears, crank) and
> would you recommend not running the engine before an internal
> inspection?
>
> Would there be a pre-start procedure you'd recommend before
> starting an
> engine that has been subjected to these conditions?
>
> Anybody done any testing of this sort and is there any data
> available on
> just how bad it gets?
>
> Would you trust such an engine not to fail in a short period
> of time if some
> unsuspecting pilot just put it on his airplane and flew it?
>
> What sort of failure mode would you expect and do you think
> the outcome
> would be catastrophic (engine destroyed)?
>
> Any words of wisdom here Monty Barrett (or anyone else with
> experience in
> this area)? Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-lack of usage |
My comment is on the storage of an engine or an airplane or any machinery in an
unventilated hanger or garage. If there is no provision for vents under the ceiling
or roof moisture collects from the dinural temperature variations and corrosion
is worse than leaving the item outside where the moisture will dissipate.
A hangar with uninsulated steel siding and a dirt floor compounds the situation.
I have seen airplanes in unventilated closed hangars dripping with condensation.
The old wives tale that putting a car in a closed garage after washing it creates
rusting is quite true. Domestic garages do not provide for any ventilation
and the moisture does not dissipate allowing it to seep into crevasses and enhance
corrosion.
Jim Aitken
----- Original Message -----
From: DEAN PSIROPOULOS <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Subject: Engines-List: Engines-lack of usage
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
> I'm not sure that I actually heard an answer to the question posed
> the other
> day (feel free to kick me if I read right by it) so the real
> question still
> remains.... is an engine that has been sitting for a couple years
> in a
> hangar going to suffer from internal corrosion problems and have
> to be torn
> down before starting?
>
> How about a worst case scenario where a newly assembled engine is
> deliveredto the tropics and stored in a hangar that is not climate
> controlled. The
> engine is pickled and plastic plugs have been installed in the
> openings but
> some of them don't seal very well and there are no dessicant plugs
> installed. Would a couple years under these conditions cause enough
> corrosion that the engine would have problems if one were to just
> fill it
> with oil and go fly it?
>
> What kind of problems would one expect?
>
> Is there any way to tell the extent of damage without major
> teardown or
> cylinder removal?
>
> What would you expect to see corroded inside (cam, rods, gears,
> crank) and
> would you recommend not running the engine before an internal
> inspection?
>
> Would there be a pre-start procedure you'd recommend before
> starting an
> engine that has been subjected to these conditions?
>
> Anybody done any testing of this sort and is there any data
> available on
> just how bad it gets?
>
> Would you trust such an engine not to fail in a short period of
> time if some
> unsuspecting pilot just put it on his airplane and flew it?
>
> What sort of failure mode would you expect and do you think the
> outcomewould be catastrophic (engine destroyed)?
>
> Any words of wisdom here Monty Barrett (or anyone else with
> experience in
> this area)? Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
In a message dated 2/15/2007 10:15:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rfg842@cox.net writes:
Bought an aircraft, sight unseen, from Arizona with a Lyc 0 290 D2 with
some 200 hours on a chrome major. After flying it for two years, could never
get the oil consumption down so decided to give it a top. When the IA opened it
up, found a bad cam, lots of internal rust and a $15,000 major.
Don't know if Lyc is prone to these problems but will never trust another
purchase without a good internal inspection. Would have saved me thousands.
Bob, Wichita
Bob,
How bad was the oil consumption? I had a Grumman with chrome cylinders
(O-235) that would use a quart in 4 to 6 hours. I took the cylinders off and had
them honed. The engine had zero rust inside, it looked like new in fact.
After putting new rings in it and breaking it in using the best information I
could get from many web searches -- kept temps down, power up, etc. -- it was
exactly the same! Chrome doesn't rust, but it may take 300 hours for the rings
to
seat. Maybe the rough pattern of the chrome surface holds the oil and the
engine consumes oil even after the rings seat. My RV has Cerminil (c) cylinders
and seems to be much better.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
You guys are not makeing me feel very good. I have a Colt sitting in a
hanger for a little over a year now, was a great running 235 may not be
now.
Anybody had one that has sat for a while and was not damaged ? (I
hope)
----- Original Message -----
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
In a message dated 2/15/2007 10:15:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rfg842@cox.net writes:
Bought an aircraft, sight unseen, from Arizona with a Lyc 0 290
D2 with some 200 hours on a chrome major. After flying it for two
years, could never get the oil consumption down so decided to give it a
top. When the IA opened it up, found a bad cam, lots of internal rust
and a $15,000 major.
Don't know if Lyc is prone to these problems but will never trust
another purchase without a good internal inspection. Would have saved
me thousands.
Bob, Wichita
Bob,
How bad was the oil consumption? I had a Grumman with chrome
cylinders (O-235) that would use a quart in 4 to 6 hours. I took the
cylinders off and had them honed. The engine had zero rust inside, it
looked like new in fact. After putting new rings in it and breaking it
in using the best information I could get from many web searches -- kept
temps down, power up, etc. -- it was exactly the same! Chrome doesn't
rust, but it may take 300 hours for the rings to seat. Maybe the rough
pattern of the chrome surface holds the oil and the engine consumes oil
even after the rings seat. My RV has Cerminil (c) cylinders and seems
to be much better.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
In a message dated 2/15/2007 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kmodairy@centurytel.net writes:
You guys are not makeing me feel very good. I have a Colt sitting in a hanger
for a little over a year now, was a great running 235 may not be now.
Anybody had one that has sat for a while and was not damaged ? (I hope)
What you need to do is turn the airplane upside down every week or two to
keep oil on the cam and lifters.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a
hanger about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the
plugs in it. When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and
rotated the whole engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs,
then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a
great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought the project.
I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would always
use Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2 month or
so. If you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil and put in
the Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away.
The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters, they
will not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside to
verify that no rust is present, no need for a tear down.
My 2 pennies. Bill Becker
----- Original Message -----
From: Butch
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
You guys are not makeing me feel very good. I have a Colt sitting in a
hanger for a little over a year now, was a great running 235 may not be
now.
Anybody had one that has sat for a while and was not damaged ? (I
hope)
----- Original Message -----
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
In a message dated 2/15/2007 10:15:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rfg842@cox.net writes:
Bought an aircraft, sight unseen, from Arizona with a Lyc 0 290
D2 with some 200 hours on a chrome major. After flying it for two
years, could never get the oil consumption down so decided to give it a
top. When the IA opened it up, found a bad cam, lots of internal rust
and a $15,000 major.
Don't know if Lyc is prone to these problems but will never trust
another purchase without a good internal inspection. Would have saved
me thousands.
Bob, Wichita
Bob,
How bad was the oil consumption? I had a Grumman with chrome
cylinders (O-235) that would use a quart in 4 to 6 hours. I took the
cylinders off and had them honed. The engine had zero rust inside, it
looked like new in fact. After putting new rings in it and breaking it
in using the best information I could get from many web searches -- kept
temps down, power up, etc. -- it was exactly the same! Chrome doesn't
rust, but it may take 300 hours for the rings to seat. Maybe the rough
pattern of the chrome surface holds the oil and the engine consumes oil
even after the rings seat. My RV has Cerminil (c) cylinders and seems
to be much better.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
Exactly!! well said!! Bill Becker
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
>
> In a message dated 2/15/2007 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kmodairy@centurytel.net writes:
> You guys are not makeing me feel very good. I have a Colt sitting in a
> hanger
> for a little over a year now, was a great running 235 may not be now.
> Anybody had one that has sat for a while and was not damaged ? (I hope)
>
>
> What you need to do is turn the airplane upside down every week or two to
> keep oil on the cam and lifters.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
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________________________________
From:
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to buy some
cheap oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e drive out
all the oil.
When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times, then
finish filling it up.
The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs , of
course you will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves closed
but that can't be too difficult. .
No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car
afterwards...
Frank
________________________________
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Becker
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a
hanger about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the
plugs in it. When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and
rotated the whole engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs,
then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a
great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought the project.
I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would always
use Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2 month or
so. If you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil and put in
the Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away.
The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters, they
will not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside to
verify that no rust is present, no need for a tear down.
My 2 pennies. Bill Becker
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
Do not feel too badly, Bob
Some have been there, and others will be.
Tough lesson learned.
Archie
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Bought an aircraft, sight unseen, from Arizona with a Lyc 0
290 D2 with some 200 hours on a chrome major. After flying it for two
years, could never get the oil consumption down so decided to give it a
top. When the IA opened it up, found a bad cam, lots of internal rust
and a $15,000 major.
Don't know if Lyc is prone to these problems but will never
trust another purchase without a good internal inspection. Would have
saved me thousands.
Bob, Wichita
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-lack of usage |
It takes about 2 hours to pull and replace a cylinder so you can look inside
the engine. That's a good investment of time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Engines-List: Engines-lack of usage
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> I'm not sure that I actually heard an answer to the question posed the
> other
> day (feel free to kick me if I read right by it) so the real question
> still
> remains.... is an engine that has been sitting for a couple years in a
> hangar going to suffer from internal corrosion problems and have to be
> torn
> down before starting?
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
Any Soob drivers out there? What kind of oil consumption are you
experiencing? Mine is about one quart for 3 hours. Also know of anyone
in Missouri that can tune it up or rebuild one?
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Engines-lack of usage |
It shouldn't even take that long. And I agree, it's an excellent
investment of time. We had two off and inspected in a half hour:
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~jboatri/magicbus/engine_teardown.htm
At 6:53 AM -0600 2/15/07, jrc wrote:
>
>It takes about 2 hours to pull and replace a cylinder so you can
>look inside the engine. That's a good investment of time.
--
_____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
I thought since oil floats on water, the condensation will get "under"
the oil and bingo, rust.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
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From:
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM
To: 'engines-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to buy some
cheap oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e drive out
all the oil.
When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times, then
finish filling it up.
The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs , of
course you will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves closed
but that can't be too difficult. .
No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car
afterwards...
Frank
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From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Becker
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a
hanger about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the
plugs in it. When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and
rotated the whole engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs,
then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a
great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought the project.
I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would always
use Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2 month or
so. If you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil and put in
the Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away.
The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters,
they will not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside
to verify that no rust is present, no need for a tear down.
My 2 pennies. Bill Becker
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
Well then the water would be at the bottom of the sump, so no harm to
the engine parts. Right? Bill B
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Sweet
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I thought since oil floats on water, the condensation will get "under"
the oil and bingo, rust.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
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From:
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM
To: 'engines-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to buy
some cheap oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e drive
out all the oil.
When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times,
then finish filling it up.
The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs , of
course you will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves closed
but that can't be too difficult. .
No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car
afterwards...
Frank
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From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Becker
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a
hanger about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the
plugs in it. When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and
rotated the whole engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs,
then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a
great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought the project.
I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would
always use Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2
month or so. If you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil
and put in the Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away.
The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters,
they will not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside
to verify that no rust is present, no need for a tear down.
My 2 pennies. Bill Becker
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Say Leroy a quart in 3 hours is a sure sign that either it is blowing it
out he breather or rings. Does it slow down after the first quart?
Rick
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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Any Soob drivers out there? What kind of oil consumption are you
experiencing? Mine is about one quart for 3 hours. Also know of anyone
in Missouri that can tune it up or rebuild one?
LeRoy
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For comparison the all aluminum V-8 Ford in my experimental burns 1 quar
t of oil in 40 hours of flying,And thats with me running it VERY hard tr
ying to get it to fail. One quart in three hours is excessive in a water
cooled motor. IMHO..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Any Soob drivers out there? What kind of oil consumption are you experie
ncing? Mine is about one quart for 3 hours. Also know of anyone in Misso
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No Rick it doesnt slow down on the consumption after the first quart.
Doesnt seem to be blowing it out, bottom of the plane stays pretty
clean. Guess it is the rings but the compresion isnt too low, around
160-170.
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Tell us more about the motor,,, Turbo, non turbo, rpms you turn it? Wate
r and oil temps? How your crankcase breather system is set up?
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
No Rick it doesnt slow down on the consumption after the first quart. Do
esnt seem to be blowing it out, bottom of the plane stays pretty clean.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No Rick it doesnt slow down on the cons
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Taken one step further,I bought my A-75 flipped upside down, the crankcase filled
through the drain plug, the cylinders filled through the bottom plugs,the exhaust
ports filled,removed the carb and filled the intake spider.The rockers
can then stay on,rocker boxes also fill up with oil,guides and all are submurged.Just
remember to plug the crancase vent.
John.
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to buy some cheap
oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e drive out all the oil.
When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times, then finish
filling it up.
The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs , of course you
will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves closed but that can't
be too difficult. .
No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car afterwards...
Frank
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From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Becker
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a hanger about
1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the plugs in it. When
I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and rotated the whole engine around
a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs, then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt
the airplane. It has been a great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought
the project.
I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would always use Aeroshell
fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2 month or so. If you can
run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil and put in the Aeroshell fluid2F
then run it again and put it away.
The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters, they will
not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside to verify that no
rust is present, no need for a tear down.
My 2 pennies. Bill Becker
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