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2. 06:20 AM - Re: Costly mistake (n801bh@netzero.com)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 07:05 AM - Engine storage (Cowan/Cameron)
6. 07:21 AM - Bad engine (Bob)
7. 08:29 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Dacha)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 10:12 AM - Re: Engine storage (Butch)
10. 12:26 PM - Re: Engine storage (Wayne Sweet)
11. 01:02 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Noel Loveys)
12. 01:26 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Southern Reflections)
13. 03:03 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Dacha)
14. 03:36 PM - Re: Costly mistake (n801bh@netzero.com)
15. 04:10 PM - Re: Engine storage (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
16. 06:12 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 06:14 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
18. 07:03 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Southern Reflections)
19. 07:05 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Ken)
20. 07:14 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Southern Reflections)
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Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments
are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full
throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but
the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder.
LeRoy
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Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of
blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankca
se breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal
area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and t
hen out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One q
uart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this iss
ue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to
my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instrumen
ts are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is fu
ll throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is
but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder.
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<html><P>Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have
alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where th
e crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake val
ve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn
the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of
oil that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need
to explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine insta
ll ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pic
s better there..</P>
<P>do not archive<BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair
.com<BR><BR>-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wro
te:<BR></P>
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4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it regis
ters any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the
crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bough
t the plane from the builder.</FONT></DIV>
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Yes but the air (carrying the water) can't get into the case in the
first place. Typically the rust appears on the cam i.e at the top of the
case. The air inside the case is hot and moist when shutdown, then cools
below its dewpoint and then the water condenses on the cam etc.
Thus if it is full of oil there can be no air, therefore no moisture.
Thats the theory at least.
Frank
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From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sweet
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I thought since oil floats on water, the condensation will get "under"
the oil and bingo, rust.
Wayne
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From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
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From:
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM
To: 'engines-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to
buy some cheap oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e
drive out all the oil.
When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times,
then finish filling it up.
The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs ,
of course you will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves
closed but that can't be too difficult. .
No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car
afterwards...
Frank
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From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Becker
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was
in a hanger about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the
plugs in it. When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and
rotated the whole engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs,
then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a
great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought the project.
I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would
always use Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2
month or so. If you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil
and put in the Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away.
The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and
lifters, they will not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look
inside to verify that no rust is present, no need for a tear down.
My 2 pennies. Bill Becker
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro
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What engine is this?
On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of the
bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on my
ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n801bh@netzero.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of
blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the
crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve
guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn
the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil
that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to
explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install
?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better
there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments
are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full
throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but
the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder.
LeRoy
t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List
tronics.com
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Someone asked about anyone not having problems with unpickled engine.
Several years ago I removed an 0360 Lycoming for an airframe re-build
and left it hanging in a leaky barn. Everytime I walked by it I kicked
myself for how I was treating it: no oil added anywhere and no plugs in
the exhaust or intake. After maybe 4 years I decided that since I was
going to sell the project it would best to send the engine into a shop
to check for corrosion and top it. No problems anywhere.
I live in southern Ontario Can. so see a variety of weather.
Peter
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Thought I had all the bases covered with that 0 290-D2. Although I bough
t
the plane from an individual, I talked to the fixed base operator, a very
reputable person, who had recovered the aircraft and majored the engine.
Problem was lack of use. Sat for too many years without running regularl
y
and even in the dry air of Arizona, rust happens.
And by the way, consumption was about a quart every four hours. Had to h
ave
the crank turned down to its last grinding. Really should have ditched t
he
engine and replaced it with a 150 hp Lyc.
Bob, Wichita
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It is an EA81. What is the fix?
LeRoy
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Ahh!..It could have significant blowby on the piston rings. What happens
is the cylinders are bored and then the heads torqued. this flexes the
bore. The solution is to have it bored with a "boring plate" bolted down
first. This simulates the torque of the head bolts.
Now of course this is only one possibility and it requires an engine
strip to sort it out. The EA 81 is a pretty simple engine to strip and
reassemble so its not the end of the world but not something you want to
do more than once.
My advice is to speak with the top engine guru as far as EA81's are
concerned. That would be Ron Carr at Ram Performance. A number of (so
called) rebuilt Soobs had valve giudes dropping out of their heads, mine
included. Ron was the only guy that came up with a permanent fix. IF you
end up stripping your engine I would have him install the stepped valve
guides.
http://www.ramengines.com/
he is exceptionally knowlegable..
And tell him Frank said Hi....
Frank
Zodiac 601HDS 400 hours
RV7a 75 hours.
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From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dacha
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
It is an EA81. What is the fix?
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Engine storage |
Thanks for the good news that not every engine goes bad. If I were to
pull a jug which one would give the best view of the cam and would that
screw up the ring seat for that cylinder, Thanks again
----- Original Message -----
From: Cowan/Cameron
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Engines-List: Engine storage
Someone asked about anyone not having problems with unpickled engine.
Several years ago I removed an 0360 Lycoming for an airframe re-build
and left it hanging in a leaky barn. Everytime I walked by it I kicked
myself for how I was treating it: no oil added anywhere and no plugs in
the exhaust or intake. After maybe 4 years I decided that since I was
going to sell the project it would best to send the engine into a shop
to check for corrosion and top it. No problems anywhere.
I live in southern Ontario Can. so see a variety of weather.
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: Engine storage |
I had a maintenance shop look at my engine that was sitting for two
years; they said to pull #1 and #4. That would allow to see all the cam
lobes.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Butch
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Engine storage
Thanks for the good news that not every engine goes bad. If I were to
pull a jug which one would give the best view of the cam and would that
screw up the ring seat for that cylinder, Thanks again
----- Original Message -----
From: Cowan/Cameron
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Engines-List: Engine storage
Someone asked about anyone not having problems with unpickled
engine. Several years ago I removed an 0360 Lycoming for an airframe
re-build and left it hanging in a leaky barn. Everytime I walked by it I
kicked myself for how I was treating it: no oil added anywhere and no
plugs in the exhaust or intake. After maybe 4 years I decided that since
I was going to sell the project it would best to send the engine into a
shop to check for corrosion and top it. No problems anywhere.
I live in southern Ontario Can. so see a variety of weather.
Peter
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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If all the parts are wet with oil first there is no way for any water to
get
under the oil. Yes there is no point in oiling an engine that has been
immersed in water That is one way that you can get water under the oil.
For engines that have been immersed in water the best thing you can do
is
disassemble the engine to a point that you can dry the engine very
quickly
then oil for storage.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sweet
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I thought since oil floats on water, the condensation will get "under"
the
oil and bingo, rust.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank <mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com> George (Corvallis)
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
_____
From:
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to buy some
cheap
oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e drive out all
the
oil.
When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times, then
finish
filling it up.
The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs , of
course
you will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves closed but
that
can't be too difficult. .
No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car
afterwards...
Frank
_____
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Becker
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a
hanger
about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the plugs in
it.
When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and rotated the whole
engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs, then it sat for 2
years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a great engine, now has
over
300 hrs since I bought the project.
I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would always
use
Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2 month or so.
If
you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil and put in the
Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away.
The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters, they
will
not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside to verify
that
no rust is present, no need for a tear down.
My 2 pennies. Bill Becker
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro
nics.
com/Navigator?Engines-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes
like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her
tweeked... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
What engine is this?
On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of the
bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on my
ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n801bh@netzero.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot
of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the
crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve
guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn
the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil
that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to
explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install
?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better
there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments
are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full
throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but
the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder.
LeRoy
t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List
tronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Talked to Ram this morning and when I have it overhauled they will be
the ones to do it. Sounded very professional and knowledgeable. Not
cheap but what is?
LeRoy
Ps. thanks to everyone who responded to my request, great list like to
meet the guys sometime.
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Sooo.
Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other soo
b flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes
like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked
... Joe N101HD----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank Geor
ge (Corvallis) To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16,
2007 10:02 AMSubject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
What engine is this? On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significan
t distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a l
ot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81
. Frank
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list
-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of
blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankca
se breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal
area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and t
hen out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One q
uart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this iss
ue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to
my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instrumen
ts are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is fu
ll throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is
but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder.
LeRoyt">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-Listtronics.comhref=
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<html><P>Sooo.</P>
<P> Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any o
ther soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????<BR>
<BR> do not archive</P>
<P><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair.com<BR><BR>-- "S
outhern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> w
rote:<BR></P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BE
ST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not
to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked... &
nbsp; Joe N101HD</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 16, 2007 1
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=535150015-16022007><FONT face=
Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What engine is this?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=535150015-16022007><FONT face=
Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is
significant distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This
led to a lot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it
is an ea81.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>n8
01bh@netzero.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM<BR><B
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<P>Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot
of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the cran
kcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve gui
de/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the o
il and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil th
at way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to exp
lore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ??&
nbsp; Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics bett
er there..</P>
<P>do not archive<BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair
.com<BR><BR>-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wro
te:<BR></P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ben,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The engine is non turbo. Cruise between
4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it regis
ters any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the
crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bough
t the plane from the builder.</FONT></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/16/2007 1:13:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kmodairy@centurytel.net writes:
Thanks for the good news that not every engine goes bad. If I were to pull a
jug which one would give the best view of the cam and would that screw up the
ring seat for that cylinder,
Thanks again
No, you don't have to unseat the rings. Put the piston at top center. Pull
the cylinder off far enough to just clear the wrist pin. Push the pin out and
leave the piston in the cylinder. This is a two man job. You will need help
getting the pin out, and also to help you to not drop the rod and mar the
case.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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I don't remember my soob consuming oil after break in.
Frank
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n801bh@netzero.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Sooo.
Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other
soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes
like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her
tweeked... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
What engine is this?
On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion
of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby
on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81.
Frank
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have
alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the
crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve
guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn
the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil
that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to
explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install
?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better
there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All
instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive
heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather
set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from
the builder.
LeRoy
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When your engine literally eats a chunk of valve guide and your
convinced it is trying to kill you, cheap is not a consideration....When
it does THREE times and the supplier still gives you a bunch of baloney
about how it is your fault (namely you get the bill) then you will see
that a Ram engine is very good value for money indeed.
Yes Ron is bar far the most knowlegable Ea 81 guy out there.
Frank
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Talked to Ram this morning and when I have it overhauled they will be
the ones to do it. Sounded very professional and knowledgeable. Not
cheap but what is?
LeRoy
Ps. thanks to everyone who responded to my request, great list like to
meet the guys sometime.
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My eng was broke in on a dyno. at ram. I've only have 2hr. of test
flight on it at this point no oil use at this time,plus the fact i"ve
changed it twice already.I've got abit of a cooling problem that we are
trying to over come.nothing serious ,just a little warmer that we want
it. Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Sooo.
Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other
soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81
goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her
tweeked... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
What engine is this?
On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of
the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on
my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81.
Frank
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n801bh@netzero.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot
of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the
crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve
guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn
the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil
that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to
explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install
?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better
there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All
instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive
heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather
set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from
the builder.
LeRoy
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Pretty close to nil on my ej22 with psru and an average 4200rpm cruise.
I added a half liter of 5W50 synthetic in the last 40 hours but much of
that was/is a small leak.
Ken
n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
> Sooo.
>
> Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other
> soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????
>
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What kind of synth. are you using? and for how long ? Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
>
> Pretty close to nil on my ej22 with psru and an average 4200rpm cruise.
> I added a half liter of 5W50 synthetic in the last 40 hours but much of
> that was/is a small leak.
> Ken
>
> n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>
>> Sooo.
>>
>> Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other
>> soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????
>>
>>
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