---------------------------------------------------------- Engines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/16/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:15 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Dacha) 2. 06:20 AM - Re: Costly mistake (n801bh@netzero.com) 3. 06:57 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 4. 07:02 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 5. 07:05 AM - Engine storage (Cowan/Cameron) 6. 07:21 AM - Bad engine (Bob) 7. 08:29 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Dacha) 8. 09:30 AM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 9. 10:12 AM - Re: Engine storage (Butch) 10. 12:26 PM - Re: Engine storage (Wayne Sweet) 11. 01:02 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Noel Loveys) 12. 01:26 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Southern Reflections) 13. 03:03 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Dacha) 14. 03:36 PM - Re: Costly mistake (n801bh@netzero.com) 15. 04:10 PM - Re: Engine storage (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 16. 06:12 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 17. 06:14 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 18. 07:03 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Southern Reflections) 19. 07:05 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Ken) 20. 07:14 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Southern Reflections) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:52 AM PST US From: "Dacha" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Ben, The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder. LeRoy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:32 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankca se breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and t hen out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One q uart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this iss ue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dacha" wrote: Ben,The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instrumen ts are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is fu ll throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder. ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== =

Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where th e crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the  intake val ve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine insta ll ??   Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pic s better there..

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Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it regis ters any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bough t the plane from the builder.
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Yes but the air (carrying the water) can't get into the case in the first place. Typically the rust appears on the cam i.e at the top of the case. The air inside the case is hot and moist when shutdown, then cools below its dewpoint and then the water condenses on the cam etc. Thus if it is full of oil there can be no air, therefore no moisture. Thats the theory at least. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Sweet Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake I thought since oil floats on water, the condensation will get "under" the oil and bingo, rust. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake ________________________________ From: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM To: 'engines-list@matronics.com' Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to buy some cheap oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e drive out all the oil. When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times, then finish filling it up. The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs , of course you will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves closed but that can't be too difficult. . No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car afterwards... Frank ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Becker Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM To: engines-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a hanger about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the plugs in it. When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and rotated the whole engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs, then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought the project. I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would always use Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2 month or so. If you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil and put in the Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away. The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters, they will not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside to verify that no rust is present, no need for a tear down. My 2 pennies. Bill Becker href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro n ics.com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" What engine is this? On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dacha" wrote: Ben, The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder. LeRoy t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List tronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:19 AM PST US From: "Cowan/Cameron" Subject: Engines-List: Engine storage Someone asked about anyone not having problems with unpickled engine. Several years ago I removed an 0360 Lycoming for an airframe re-build and left it hanging in a leaky barn. Everytime I walked by it I kicked myself for how I was treating it: no oil added anywhere and no plugs in the exhaust or intake. After maybe 4 years I decided that since I was going to sell the project it would best to send the engine into a shop to check for corrosion and top it. No problems anywhere. I live in southern Ontario Can. so see a variety of weather. Peter ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:26 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Engines-List: Bad engine Thought I had all the bases covered with that 0 290-D2. Although I bough t the plane from an individual, I talked to the fixed base operator, a very reputable person, who had recovered the aircraft and majored the engine. Problem was lack of use. Sat for too many years without running regularl y and even in the dry air of Arizona, rust happens. And by the way, consumption was about a quart every four hours. Had to h ave the crank turned down to its last grinding. Really should have ditched t he engine and replaced it with a 150 hp Lyc. Bob, Wichita ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:45 AM PST US From: "Dacha" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake It is an EA81. What is the fix? LeRoy ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Ahh!..It could have significant blowby on the piston rings. What happens is the cylinders are bored and then the heads torqued. this flexes the bore. The solution is to have it bored with a "boring plate" bolted down first. This simulates the torque of the head bolts. Now of course this is only one possibility and it requires an engine strip to sort it out. The EA 81 is a pretty simple engine to strip and reassemble so its not the end of the world but not something you want to do more than once. My advice is to speak with the top engine guru as far as EA81's are concerned. That would be Ron Carr at Ram Performance. A number of (so called) rebuilt Soobs had valve giudes dropping out of their heads, mine included. Ron was the only guy that came up with a permanent fix. IF you end up stripping your engine I would have him install the stepped valve guides. http://www.ramengines.com/ he is exceptionally knowlegable.. And tell him Frank said Hi.... Frank Zodiac 601HDS 400 hours RV7a 75 hours. ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dacha Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake It is an EA81. What is the fix? LeRoy ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:33 AM PST US From: "Butch" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Engine storage Thanks for the good news that not every engine goes bad. If I were to pull a jug which one would give the best view of the cam and would that screw up the ring seat for that cylinder, Thanks again ----- Original Message ----- From: Cowan/Cameron To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Engines-List: Engine storage Someone asked about anyone not having problems with unpickled engine. Several years ago I removed an 0360 Lycoming for an airframe re-build and left it hanging in a leaky barn. Everytime I walked by it I kicked myself for how I was treating it: no oil added anywhere and no plugs in the exhaust or intake. After maybe 4 years I decided that since I was going to sell the project it would best to send the engine into a shop to check for corrosion and top it. No problems anywhere. I live in southern Ontario Can. so see a variety of weather. Peter ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:14 PM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Engine storage I had a maintenance shop look at my engine that was sitting for two years; they said to pull #1 and #4. That would allow to see all the cam lobes. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Butch To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Engine storage Thanks for the good news that not every engine goes bad. If I were to pull a jug which one would give the best view of the cam and would that screw up the ring seat for that cylinder, Thanks again ----- Original Message ----- From: Cowan/Cameron To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Engines-List: Engine storage Someone asked about anyone not having problems with unpickled engine. Several years ago I removed an 0360 Lycoming for an airframe re-build and left it hanging in a leaky barn. Everytime I walked by it I kicked myself for how I was treating it: no oil added anywhere and no plugs in the exhaust or intake. After maybe 4 years I decided that since I was going to sell the project it would best to send the engine into a shop to check for corrosion and top it. No problems anywhere. I live in southern Ontario Can. so see a variety of weather. Peter href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:55 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake If all the parts are wet with oil first there is no way for any water to get under the oil. Yes there is no point in oiling an engine that has been immersed in water That is one way that you can get water under the oil. For engines that have been immersed in water the best thing you can do is disassemble the engine to a point that you can dry the engine very quickly then oil for storage. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Sweet Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake I thought since oil floats on water, the condensation will get "under" the oil and bingo, rust. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake _____ From: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake You know one of the best preserving ideas I ever heard was to buy some cheap oil for your car and completly fill the crankcase...I.e drive out all the oil. When you get it half full turn it over slowly a couple of times, then finish filling it up. The fill up the cylinders as well if you have some scrap plugs , of course you will need to remove the rocker arms to keep the valves closed but that can't be too difficult. . No way it can rust now and you can use the oil in your car afterwards... Frank _____ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Becker Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake I bought a project airplane a few years ago. The engine was in a hanger about 1 1/2 years with no special care, didn't even have the plugs in it. When I got it home I put Aeoshell fluid 2F in it and rotated the whole engine around a couple times, put in dehydrator plugs, then it sat for 2 years while I rebuilt the airplane. It has been a great engine, now has over 300 hrs since I bought the project. I would never suggest treating an engine that way. I would always use Aeroshell fluid2F if an engine was to be stored for over 2 month or so. If you can run the engine, I would run it, drain the oil and put in the Aeroshell fluid2F then run it again and put it away. The big worry as far as I am concerned is the cam and lifters, they will not tolerate rust. You can remove a cylinder and look inside to verify that no rust is present, no need for a tear down. My 2 pennies. Bill Becker href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro nics. com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:48 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked... Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake What engine is this? On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81. Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM To: engines-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dacha" wrote: Ben, The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder. LeRoy t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List tronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:26 PM PST US From: "Dacha" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Talked to Ram this morning and when I have it overhauled they will be the ones to do it. Sounded very professional and knowledgeable. Not cheap but what is? LeRoy Ps. thanks to everyone who responded to my request, great list like to meet the guys sometime. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:54 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Sooo. Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other soo b flyer. What is your oil consumption??????????????????????? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Southern Reflections" wrote: Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked ... Joe N101HD----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank Geor ge (Corvallis) To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AMSubject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake What engine is this? On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significan t distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a l ot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81 . Frank From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list -server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankca se breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and t hen out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One q uart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this iss ue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dacha" wrote: Ben,The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instrumen ts are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is fu ll throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder. LeRoyt">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-Listtronics.comhref= "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Engines-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://for ums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-Listhref="http://forums.m ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== =============

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 Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any o ther soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????

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Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BE ST.. my little  'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked...     & nbsp; Joe N101HD
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What engine is this?
 
On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81.
 
Frank

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Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the cran kcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the  intake valve gui de/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the o il and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil th at way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to exp lore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ??& nbsp;  Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics bett er there..

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Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it regis ters any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bough t the plane from the builder.
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:54 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: Engines-List: Engine storage In a message dated 2/16/2007 1:13:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, kmodairy@centurytel.net writes: Thanks for the good news that not every engine goes bad. If I were to pull a jug which one would give the best view of the cam and would that screw up the ring seat for that cylinder, Thanks again No, you don't have to unseat the rings. Put the piston at top center. Pull the cylinder off far enough to just clear the wrist pin. Push the pin out and leave the piston in the cylinder. This is a two man job. You will need help getting the pin out, and also to help you to not drop the rod and mar the case. Dan Hopper RV-7A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:30 PM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I don't remember my soob consuming oil after break in. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Sooo. Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other soob flyer. What is your oil consumption??????????????????????? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Southern Reflections" wrote: Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked... Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake What engine is this? On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM To: engines-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dacha" wrote: Ben, The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder. LeRoy t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List tronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro n ics.com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro n ics.com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List tronics.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:42 PM PST US Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" When your engine literally eats a chunk of valve guide and your convinced it is trying to kill you, cheap is not a consideration....When it does THREE times and the supplier still gives you a bunch of baloney about how it is your fault (namely you get the bill) then you will see that a Ram engine is very good value for money indeed. Yes Ron is bar far the most knowlegable Ea 81 guy out there. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dacha Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Talked to Ram this morning and when I have it overhauled they will be the ones to do it. Sounded very professional and knowledgeable. Not cheap but what is? LeRoy Ps. thanks to everyone who responded to my request, great list like to meet the guys sometime. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:34 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake My eng was broke in on a dyno. at ram. I've only have 2hr. of test flight on it at this point no oil use at this time,plus the fact i"ve changed it twice already.I've got abit of a cooling problem that we are trying to over come.nothing serious ,just a little warmer that we want it. Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Sooo. Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other soob flyer. What is your oil consumption??????????????????????? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Southern Reflections" wrote: Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked... Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) To: engines-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake What engine is this? On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81. Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM To: engines-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better there.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Dacha" wrote: Ben, The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from the builder. LeRoy t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List tronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Engines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Engines-List tronics.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:35 PM PST US From: Ken Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake Pretty close to nil on my ej22 with psru and an average 4200rpm cruise. I added a half liter of 5W50 synthetic in the last 40 hours but much of that was/is a small leak. Ken n801bh@netzero.com wrote: > Sooo. > > Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other > soob flyer. What is your oil consumption??????????????????????? > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:15 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake What kind of synth. are you using? and for how long ? Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake > > Pretty close to nil on my ej22 with psru and an average 4200rpm cruise. > I added a half liter of 5W50 synthetic in the last 40 hours but much of > that was/is a small leak. > Ken > > n801bh@netzero.com wrote: > >> Sooo. >> >> Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other >> soob flyer. What is your oil consumption??????????????????????? >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message engines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Engines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/engines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/engines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.