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1. 07:48 AM - Re: Engine Running Rough (Noel Loveys)
2. 04:58 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
3. 06:43 PM - Re: Costly mistake (Southern Reflections)
4. 07:10 PM - Re: Engine Running Rough (Archie)
5. 07:24 PM - Re: Engine Running Rough (Wayne Sweet)
6. 08:50 PM - Re: Engine Running Rough (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Engine Running Rough |
The reasons are laid out, basically for passenger carrying aircraft.
They
require redundancy and separate powered ignition systems that won't go
black
in the event of a catastrophic electrical problem. On the other hand
yes
there are some great CDI ignitions that help the engines run better than
they were designed to. For amateur built aircraft I doubt there is
anything
better.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sweet
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Engine Running Rough
I cannot agree more; this has been exactly my experience with my
MustangII.
Particularily aircraft standard spark plugs; seems a lead fouled plug
makes
a Lycoming so sick, it runs as if two cylinders went on vacation.
With CDI's and auto plugs (why would anyone run mags and "those plug"),
smooth is the operative word. :-)))
Wayne
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From: Gene <mailto:esmith6@satx.rr.com> Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Engines-List: Engine Running Rough
Please don't all of you shoot me at once................I have a
suggestion
for all of you who think your "rough" engine may be caused by internal
problems...Before you spend a lot of time, labor, and money, I would
install
new spark plugs, new spark plug wires, and check the mags if you have
mags...(I know almost all of you did this first, but maybe someone out
there
didn't?)...Above all, have a Pro. prop shop BALANCE your PROP while it
is on
the aircraft.
I thought I had a problem with many of the symptoms some of you
mentioned,
then had that rascal prop balanced, and I really have trouble believing
it
is the same aircraft, it is sooo smooth, why didn't I have that done
many
hours ago...It cut the "worry factor" by at least 60%...........Hope I
didn't insult anyone........................................CHEERS!!!!
Gene Smith
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Joe...I may be able to help
Do you know of a Mr Larry Mcfarland?....He hangs out on the Zenith list.
He has (like a lot of builders) moved his radiator back about 3 feet
from its original location. He also made some very nice radiator air
intakes and exhaust louvers that help improve airflow thru the radiator,
which is a problem with the standard 601 set up.
Larry will make and sell these to other builders.
Cheers
Frank
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[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern
Reflections
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
My eng was broke in on a dyno. at ram. I've only have 2hr. of test
flight on it at this point no oil use at this time,plus the fact i"ve
changed it twice already.I've got abit of a cooling problem that we are
trying to over come.nothing serious ,just a little warmer that we want
it. Joe N101HD
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From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Sooo.
Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any
other soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/
E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her
tweeked... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
What engine is this?
On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant
distortion of the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot
of blowby on my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81.
Frank
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you
would have alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that
is where the crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the
intake valve guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the
guide, burn the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any
trace of oil that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and
you need to explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the
engine install ?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open
pics better there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm.
All instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any
excessive heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase
breather set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the
plane from the builder.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Costly mistake |
Thanks Frank, I've been contact with Larry,Along those lines. Joe
N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Joe...I may be able to help
Do you know of a Mr Larry Mcfarland?....He hangs out on the Zenith
list. He has (like a lot of builders) moved his radiator back about 3
feet from its original location. He also made some very nice radiator
air intakes and exhaust louvers that help improve airflow thru the
radiator, which is a problem with the standard 601 set up.
Larry will make and sell these to other builders.
Cheers
Frank
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[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern
Reflections
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:03 PM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
My eng was broke in on a dyno. at ram. I've only have 2hr. of test
flight on it at this point no oil use at this time,plus the fact i"ve
changed it twice already.I've got abit of a cooling problem that we are
trying to over come.nothing serious ,just a little warmer that we want
it. Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Sooo.
Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other
soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little 'ol 601/ E81
goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her
tweeked... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Costly mistake
What engine is this?
On the Soob EA81 motor at least there is significant distortion of
the bores when the head is torqued down. This led to a lot of blowby on
my ea81 install..There is a fix hpwever if it is an ea81.
Frank
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n801bh@netzero.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:19 AM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Costly mistake
Hi LeRoy, If the rings were not seating properly you would have
alot of blow by and your belly would be real dirty, if that is where the
crankcase breather dumps. My guess it might be in the intake valve
guide/seal area. That would actually draw oil through the guide, burn
the oil and then out the tailpipe. You would not see any trace of oil
that way. One quart of oil in three hours is excessive and you need to
explore this issue further. can you send me a pic of the engine install
?? Send it to my Haaspowerair.com website. I can open pics better
there..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net> wrote:
Ben,
The engine is non turbo. Cruise between 4000-4200 rpm. All
instruments are in the green, the only time it registers any excessive
heat is full throttle and climbing. Not sure how the crankcase breather
set up is but the belly isnt excessively dirty. Bought the plane from
the builder.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Running Rough |
MessageWithout bursting bubbles. or offending the beaurocratic FAA,
there is nothing better currently for any internal combustion engine
than electronic ignition.
Just try firing a .080 gap plug with a current magneto.(just one reason)
Archie Frangoudis
Archie's Racing Service
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Engine Running Rough
The reasons are laid out, basically for passenger carrying aircraft.
They require redundancy and separate powered ignition systems that won't
go black in the event of a catastrophic electrical problem. On the
other hand yes there are some great CDI ignitions that help the engines
run better than they were designed to. For amateur built aircraft I
doubt there is anything better.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Running Rough |
MessageForgot to mention, dual CDI systems, as in my case, usually have
a small battery charging from the alternator, dedicated solely to one
CDI. In my plane there is a switch that in the event of primary buss
failure (alternator failure is one example), this battery will run the
one CDI. I have lost an alternator 45 minutes outbound from my home
base. After turning off all but the transponder, the main batter still
had 12.4 volts after return to home base and the backup was not needed.
If one cannot find an airport in an hour flight time, then the backup
will extend the range beyond a reasonable time. Of course if a buss were
to fail, then the backup would power the CDI, again in my case for at
least two hours. Oh, one other item, mag checks demonstrate that only
one CDI is really needed, since no RPM drop is experienced when one CDI
is turned off. Another checklist item; warn any right-seat pilot that no
"mag drop" does not mean trouble; it means things are working fine.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Archie
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Engines-List: Engine Running Rough
Without bursting bubbles. or offending the beaurocratic FAA,
there is nothing better currently for any internal combustion engine
than electronic ignition.
Just try firing a .080 gap plug with a current magneto.(just one
reason)
Archie Frangoudis
Archie's Racing Service
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Engines-List: Engine Running Rough
The reasons are laid out, basically for passenger carrying aircraft.
They require redundancy and separate powered ignition systems that
won't go black in the event of a catastrophic electrical problem. On
the other hand yes there are some great CDI ignitions that help the
engines run better than they were designed to. For amateur built
aircraft I doubt there is anything better.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Running Rough |
Depends on your definition of better. There isn't an electronic
ignition made that will fire without a power source. Lose your
electrics and the engine WILL quit. OK in a car, not okay in a plane.
A magneto provides plenty of voltage to fire the proper gaps for
aircraft plugs at all engine speeds above idle. Bureaucracy has
nothing to do with it. Reliability is the prime issue with aircraft,
and there simply isn't an ignition made that is more reliable than a
pair of magnetos when you consider electrical failure a reasonable
possibility.
On 2/18/07, Archie <archie97@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Without bursting bubbles. or offending the beaurocratic FAA,
> there is nothing better currently for any internal combustion engine
> than electronic ignition.
> Just try firing a .080 gap plug with a current magneto.(just one reason)
> Archie Frangoudis
> Archie's Racing Service
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Noel Loveys
> To: engines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:47 AM
> Subject: RE: Engines-List: Engine Running Rough
>
>
> The reasons are laid out, basically for passenger carrying aircraft. They
> require redundancy and separate powered ignition systems that won't go black
> in the event of a catastrophic electrical problem. On the other hand yes
> there are some great CDI ignitions that help the engines run better than
> they were designed to. For amateur built aircraft I doubt there is anything
> better.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
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