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1. 12:40 AM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
2. 01:40 AM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (John Cliff)
3. 09:07 AM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Bruce Ludeman)
4. 09:38 AM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Peter Zutrauen)
5. 11:17 AM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (R.C.Harrison)
6. 02:59 PM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Kevin Taylor)
7. 03:17 PM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Peter Zutrauen)
8. 03:24 PM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Peter Zutrauen)
9. 03:42 PM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Bruce Ludeman)
10. 05:40 PM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (JW)
11. 08:11 PM - Re: Is The UK list off the air? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
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| Subject: | Is The UK list off the air? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
And I thought I was just being paranoid!
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Shaw
Cc:=09
Subject: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
All
Is the Europs list from the UK off the air? I was getting lots of
traffic up till Sunday. Tow days without a thing. What is happening?
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
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> All
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> Is the Europs list from the UK off the air? I was getting lots of traffic up
till Sunday. Tow days without a thing. What is happening?
The server is bust again (!).
John Cliff
(from another world ...)
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| Subject: | Is The UK list off the air? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Ludeman" <bruce@justbruce.com>
All,
First let me say that I appreciate the time and efforts of
the people who spend time managing the "old" Europa-Forum.
My hobby is building a Europa, whereas those who support
this list with their time and efforts choose to spend their
hobby-time supporting and managing list-servers.
Because it is a hobby for them, my opinion is that issues
other than reliability, security, speed, attachment
filtering, and ease of list management are the basis for
continuing with list-hosting by AvNet.
At one time, I felt strongly that the Europa-Forum managers
would certainly like to dump their list-hosting burden and,
like me, spend their time on their Europas. With that in
mind, I talked to Matt at Matronics regarding his ability
and willingness to host the old Europa-Forum. As a
participant in some of the other aviation lists that he
hosts on his servers, I was able to experience the extremely
reliable and spam-free hosting-service that he voluntarily
provides to the home-built community.
Needless to say, Matt was extremely anxious to work with us
and I informed the Europa-Forum manager of Matt's interest.
Matt, in his enthusiasm, actually put up the "new"
Europa-List on his servers prior to any agreement from the
Europa-Forum that they would switch.
Obviously the switch-over was never made, and the stated
reason as I recall was some issue with the software that
Matt uses (or may have used) on his servers. After
reflecting on the basis for their decision, I concluded that
a switch would kill their hobby. I can relate to that
decision since, like them, I have no interest in having an
expert build my Europa as doing so would kill the hobby
aspect of my endeavors.
The choice remains -- continuing with hobbyists whose
efforts we appreciate, or switching to a extremely
successful, professionally run organization (Matronics) that
specializes in hosting aviation-related lists.
Just my opinion.
Bruce
XS142
Tracy, California
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
John Cliff
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
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> All
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> Is the Europs list from the UK off the air? I was getting
lots of traffic up
till Sunday. Tow days without a thing. What is happening?
The server is bust again (!).
John Cliff
(from another world ...)
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| Subject: | Is The UK list off the air? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Peter.
The UK List is off the air due to server problems but the Matronics list is
putting your messages through in computer "goble d' gook!"
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Zutrauen
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Bruce,
What about other options???
I am on 5 other Egroups. All aviation based and all with Yahoo groups. They
are extremely reliable you don't get Spam, well I don't and you don't get
adds unless you read on line and you don't get begging letters asking for
cash to support it. I guess there must be a downside somewhere but I don't
remember seeing it.
It doesn't take any managing at all you can have a moderator and his job is
to chuck off anyone that steps out of line. You have a files section for
posting pictures and loads of stuff like on line calendars.
Maybe I'm bias towards Yahoo but that's because I have seen it run so well
for ages.
Take the BMAA microlight group moderated by the British Microlight Aircraft
Association with over 500 members and I don't remember it going down once in
18 months since I joined.
Regards
Kev T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Ludeman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Ludeman" <bruce@justbruce.com>
All,
First let me say that I appreciate the time and efforts of
the people who spend time managing the "old" Europa-Forum.
My hobby is building a Europa, whereas those who support
this list with their time and efforts choose to spend their
hobby-time supporting and managing list-servers.
Because it is a hobby for them, my opinion is that issues
other than reliability, security, speed, attachment
filtering, and ease of list management are the basis for
continuing with list-hosting by AvNet.
At one time, I felt strongly that the Europa-Forum managers
would certainly like to dump their list-hosting burden and,
like me, spend their time on their Europas. With that in
mind, I talked to Matt at Matronics regarding his ability
and willingness to host the old Europa-Forum. As a
participant in some of the other aviation lists that he
hosts on his servers, I was able to experience the extremely
reliable and spam-free hosting-service that he voluntarily
provides to the home-built community.
Needless to say, Matt was extremely anxious to work with us
and I informed the Europa-Forum manager of Matt's interest.
Matt, in his enthusiasm, actually put up the "new"
Europa-List on his servers prior to any agreement from the
Europa-Forum that they would switch.
Obviously the switch-over was never made, and the stated
reason as I recall was some issue with the software that
Matt uses (or may have used) on his servers. After
reflecting on the basis for their decision, I concluded that
a switch would kill their hobby. I can relate to that
decision since, like them, I have no interest in having an
expert build my Europa as doing so would kill the hobby
aspect of my endeavors.
The choice remains -- continuing with hobbyists whose
efforts we appreciate, or switching to a extremely
successful, professionally run organization (Matronics) that
specializes in hosting aviation-related lists.
Just my opinion.
Bruce
XS142
Tracy, California
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
John Cliff
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
<john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
<flyinggpa@attbi.com>
>
> All
>
> Is the Europs list from the UK off the air? I was getting
lots of traffic up
till Sunday. Tow days without a thing. What is happening?
The server is bust again (!).
John Cliff
(from another world ...)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Bruce & group,
With myself being relatively new to the community, I'd really like to
avoid ruffling any feathers - but I whole-heartedly agree with your
comments.
Beyond the fact that the matronics list is very reliable, with the
Matronics lists being the defacto-standard for North-American builders,
from a marketing perspective having an active matronics Europa-list
would be very helpful in educating the US/Canada builder community about
this great plane. Who knows, maybe the North American #'s would increase
as a result! With the massive numbers of pilots in NA, it's a real
shame that there are so few Europas. I realize that the rotax vs
lycoming issue is a big part of the Europa's lack of penetration in the
NA market, but an active builder's list sure wouldn't hurt. In fact,
with the high quality of the Europa Lister's postings and the very
helpful nature of the crowd, I have to think it would help greatly in
bringing in more NA homebuilders to this great plane.
Just my $0.02 (or $0.013 Canadian)
Cheers,
Pete
A239 dual-wing
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Ludeman [mailto:bruce@justbruce.com]
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Ludeman" <bruce@justbruce.com>
All,
First let me say that I appreciate the time and efforts of
the people who spend time managing the "old" Europa-Forum.
My hobby is building a Europa, whereas those who support
this list with their time and efforts choose to spend their
hobby-time supporting and managing list-servers.
Because it is a hobby for them, my opinion is that issues
other than reliability, security, speed, attachment
filtering, and ease of list management are the basis for
continuing with list-hosting by AvNet.
At one time, I felt strongly that the Europa-Forum managers
would certainly like to dump their list-hosting burden and,
like me, spend their time on their Europas. With that in
mind, I talked to Matt at Matronics regarding his ability
and willingness to host the old Europa-Forum. As a
participant in some of the other aviation lists that he
hosts on his servers, I was able to experience the extremely
reliable and spam-free hosting-service that he voluntarily
provides to the home-built community.
Needless to say, Matt was extremely anxious to work with us
and I informed the Europa-Forum manager of Matt's interest.
Matt, in his enthusiasm, actually put up the "new"
Europa-List on his servers prior to any agreement from the
Europa-Forum that they would switch.
Obviously the switch-over was never made, and the stated
reason as I recall was some issue with the software that
Matt uses (or may have used) on his servers. After
reflecting on the basis for their decision, I concluded that
a switch would kill their hobby. I can relate to that
decision since, like them, I have no interest in having an
expert build my Europa as doing so would kill the hobby
aspect of my endeavors.
The choice remains -- continuing with hobbyists whose
efforts we appreciate, or switching to a extremely
successful, professionally run organization (Matronics) that
specializes in hosting aviation-related lists.
Just my opinion.
Bruce
XS142
Tracy, California
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
John Cliff
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
<john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
<flyinggpa@attbi.com>
>
> All
>
> Is the Europs list from the UK off the air? I was getting
lots of traffic up
till Sunday. Tow days without a thing. What is happening?
The server is bust again (!).
John Cliff
(from another world ...)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Bob,
Actually, the issue was with my Outlook web-access settings (I was
accessing my Company Email account from a remote location using a web
browser). The issue was at my end.
Altho Matt may have been able to work around my settings anyway.
Cheers!
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk]
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Peter.
The UK List is off the air due to server problems but the Matronics list
is
putting your messages through in computer "goble d' gook!"
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Zutrauen
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
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| Subject: | Is The UK list off the air? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Ludeman" <bruce@justbruce.com>
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for your thoughts.
I also am a subscriber to a couple of lists hosted by Yahoo
and like you; I have had no problems with their service. It
is certainly an acceptable option for me, but it an option
that I believe was flogged by others on the Europa-Forum
last year when someone proposed switching to it.
Despite being a Yahoo stockholder, I still have a preference
for Matronics because of Matt's dedication and focus on the
aviation community. Matt does have his optional annual fund
raiser that you need to contend with, but that is the nature
of user-supported services.
Regards,
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Taylor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Bruce,
What about other options???
I am on 5 other Egroups. All aviation based and all with
Yahoo groups. They
are extremely reliable you don't get Spam, well I don't and
you don't get
adds unless you read on line and you don't get begging
letters asking for
cash to support it. I guess there must be a downside
somewhere but I don't
remember seeing it.
It doesn't take any managing at all you can have a moderator
and his job is
to chuck off anyone that steps out of line. You have a files
section for
posting pictures and loads of stuff like on line calendars.
Maybe I'm bias towards Yahoo but that's because I have seen
it run so well
for ages.
Take the BMAA microlight group moderated by the British
Microlight Aircraft
Association with over 500 members and I don't remember it
going down once in
18 months since I joined.
Regards
Kev T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce
Ludeman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Ludeman"
<bruce@justbruce.com>
All,
First let me say that I appreciate the time and efforts of
the people who spend time managing the "old" Europa-Forum.
My hobby is building a Europa, whereas those who support
this list with their time and efforts choose to spend their
hobby-time supporting and managing list-servers.
Because it is a hobby for them, my opinion is that issues
other than reliability, security, speed, attachment
filtering, and ease of list management are the basis for
continuing with list-hosting by AvNet.
At one time, I felt strongly that the Europa-Forum managers
would certainly like to dump their list-hosting burden and,
like me, spend their time on their Europas. With that in
mind, I talked to Matt at Matronics regarding his ability
and willingness to host the old Europa-Forum. As a
participant in some of the other aviation lists that he
hosts on his servers, I was able to experience the extremely
reliable and spam-free hosting-service that he voluntarily
provides to the home-built community.
Needless to say, Matt was extremely anxious to work with us
and I informed the Europa-Forum manager of Matt's interest.
Matt, in his enthusiasm, actually put up the "new"
Europa-List on his servers prior to any agreement from the
Europa-Forum that they would switch.
Obviously the switch-over was never made, and the stated
reason as I recall was some issue with the software that
Matt uses (or may have used) on his servers. After
reflecting on the basis for their decision, I concluded that
a switch would kill their hobby. I can relate to that
decision since, like them, I have no interest in having an
expert build my Europa as doing so would kill the hobby
aspect of my endeavors.
The choice remains -- continuing with hobbyists whose
efforts we appreciate, or switching to a extremely
successful, professionally run organization (Matronics) that
specializes in hosting aviation-related lists.
Just my opinion.
Bruce
XS142
Tracy, California
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
John Cliff
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is The UK list off the air?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
<john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
<flyinggpa@attbi.com>
>
> All
>
> Is the Europs list from the UK off the air? I was getting
lots of traffic up
till Sunday. Tow days without a thing. What is happening?
The server is bust again (!).
John Cliff
(from another world ...)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@attbi.com>
All.
As I recall, we already had the 'Yahoo option' discussion a while back.
I have belonged to a couple Yahoo groups, but only because that was where
they were. To me there was very to like about Yahoo. I'd vote no on that.
If (big if) the other Europa list were to give it up, I'd vote for the
Matronics option.
Jeff
Bruce Ludeman wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Ludeman" <bruce@justbruce.com>
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.
>
> I also am a subscriber to a couple of lists hosted by Yahoo
> and like you; I have had no problems with their service. It
> is certainly an acceptable option for me, but it an option
> that I believe was flogged by others on the Europa-Forum
> last year when someone proposed switching to it.
>
> Despite being a Yahoo stockholder, I still have a preference
> for Matronics because of Matt's dedication and focus on the
> aviation community. Matt does have his optional annual fund
> raiser that you need to contend with, but that is the nature
> of user-supported services.
>
> Regards,
> Bruce
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
What's the big panic!
So the UK mail server is off the air, computer systems fail sometimes.
They'll fix it, we'll all start sending messages again. Life will go on.
In the meantime, we have planes to build and fly (or both :)
Tony
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