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1. 02:19 AM - Re: Test message - please ignore (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:58 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/02/03 (Graham Singleton)
3. 03:29 AM - Re: Test message - please ignore (Kevin Taylor)
4. 09:38 AM - Tacho wiring? (Richard)
5. 05:07 PM - Footwell length difference? (Peter Zutrauen)
6. 05:14 PM - Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
7. 06:08 PM - Re: Footwell length difference? (Steve Hagar)
8. 06:56 PM - Re: Footwell length difference? (Peter Zutrauen)
9. 07:22 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (craig ellison)
10. 08:01 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
11. 08:05 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (Cliff Shaw)
12. 08:12 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (clevelee@cswebmail.com)
13. 09:58 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (craig ellison)
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| Subject: | Test message - please ignore |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! All. Just to prove I'm on the list ? I guess you'd better ignore this
too. Sad times we live in for many reasons.
I had difficulty remembering the "regulations" with the Avnet Europa Forum
so I'm expecting some confrontations here, BTW what's this about
"contributions" ? It's not a word I'm familiar with!
Charity begins at home!
Bob H G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Test message - please ignore
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/02/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 02/02/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >>>They'll fix it, ......
>
>Or maybe not as the case may be! Looks like the US list is about to get
>a lot of new members.
>
>One wonders about the abilities at Avnet if they can't fix and restore a
>list server in a few hours. At least we won't have to worry about that
>issue again.
>
>Tony
I sense it's more a matter of attitude than ability.
PLease note my new email address guys. Tried to persuade my address book to
email everyone and failed. Old lady Eudora is having an off day!
Graham
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| Subject: | Test message - please ignore |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
I'm here too and have been all the time!
Bob "contributions" are a little like "hangerage" then again you don't
partake in that either ;-)
Kev T
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Test message - please ignore
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! All. Just to prove I'm on the list ? I guess you'd better ignore this
too. Sad times we live in for many reasons.
I had difficulty remembering the "regulations" with the Avnet Europa Forum
so I'm expecting some confrontations here, BTW what's this about
"contributions" ? It's not a word I'm familiar with!
Charity begins at home!
Bob H G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Test message - please ignore
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Hello the new forum!
Can anyone advise me which wire goes where when connecting up the tacho on a
912S? There are three terminals on the back:-
1+, 2-, and 3. There are two wires coming from the engine, white/yellow &
blue/yellow.
Neither the Rotax manual nor the factory wiring diagramme are very clear as
to what goes where.
Cheers,
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS (XS tri builder no 533)
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| Subject: | Footwell length difference? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Listers,
OK, here's a simple question: why is the starboard footwell shorter than
the port-side footwell?
Cheers & thanks,
Pete
A239 dual-wing
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| Subject: | Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings to the new forum host.
I was working on fitting my wings to the cockpit module today in prep for
bonding spar cups in place and I can't seem to get the wings to pin to the
cockpit module. The wings will pin to each other, although it is a very tight
fit. Each wing individually will pin to the cockpit module, but the combo is
extremely tight. Either pin will go all the way in through both spars and the
cockpit mondule, but the other, regardless of direction of insertion, won't
go "home".
I set the cockpit module bushes using the dummy spar and the supplied 1/2
bolts. The holes for the bushes were already drilled and the tollerence with
the bush was tight, certainly not enough slop to cause the misalignment I'm
experiencing. The dummy spar also appears to fit the wings and the cockpit
module perfectly in dry runs. The only thing I can figure is the cockpit
module bush holes were slightly incorrectly set at the factory.
My sailplane experience says not to ream the bushes lest ye wind up with
loose fitting wings. Anybody else had this problem and if so what'd you do
about it?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Footwell length difference? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Peter:
The starboard footwell is not shorter than the port side footwell. The port
side footwell is longer than the starboard. This was an XS model update
along with the narrowing of the console area to give the pilot more room.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
> To: Europa Email List <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/3/03 6:06:26 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Footwell length difference?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> OK, here's a simple question: why is the starboard footwell shorter than
> the port-side footwell?
>
> Cheers & thanks,
> Pete
> A239 dual-wing
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Footwell length difference? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Aha! That's what I thought I had heard .... seems silly though that
they did not do the same footwell stretch on both - unless there is a
reason such as needing the room for the rotax bits etc.. Oh well, good
thing my wife is shorter than me - but if my son and daughter keep
growing at their current rate, I'll have to give them the left seat! ;-)
Cheers & thanks
Pete
A239
Ottawa, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hagar [mailto:hagargs@earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Footwell length difference?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Peter:
The starboard footwell is not shorter than the port side footwell. The
port
side footwell is longer than the starboard. This was an XS model update
along with the narrowing of the console area to give the pilot more
room.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
> To: Europa Email List <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/3/03 6:06:26 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Footwell length difference?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> OK, here's a simple question: why is the starboard footwell shorter
than
> the port-side footwell?
>
> Cheers & thanks,
> Pete
> A239 dual-wing
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
John,
I too found the wing spar to cockpit module set-up quite tight( little
tolerance). I ended up tapping the 1/2 inch bolts in with a hammer. By
lifting or depressing the wing tips slightly I was able to unbind the pins.
Still not a slip in, slip out operation. When setting up the wings to the
fuselage I had the same to problem . I suspect later there will be more
adjustments made to allow ease of placement. I would be curious to know how
many US builders that are flying leave their planes rigged all the time
making this subject irrelevant.
craig ellison
a205
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Greetings to the new forum host.
>
> I was working on fitting my wings to the cockpit module today in prep for
> bonding spar cups in place and I can't seem to get the wings to pin to the
> cockpit module. The wings will pin to each other, although it is a very
tight
> fit. Each wing individually will pin to the cockpit module, but the combo
is
> extremely tight. Either pin will go all the way in through both spars and
the
> cockpit mondule, but the other, regardless of direction of insertion,
won't
> go "home".
>
> I set the cockpit module bushes using the dummy spar and the supplied 1/2
> bolts. The holes for the bushes were already drilled and the tollerence
with
> the bush was tight, certainly not enough slop to cause the misalignment
I'm
> experiencing. The dummy spar also appears to fit the wings and the cockpit
> module perfectly in dry runs. The only thing I can figure is the cockpit
> module bush holes were slightly incorrectly set at the factory.
>
> My sailplane experience says not to ream the bushes lest ye wind up with
> loose fitting wings. Anybody else had this problem and if so what'd you do
> about it?
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: kbcarpenter@comcast.net
I leave my wings rigged all the time. The pins are hard to remove but I am
waiting a while before probably smoothing the pins with Brillo. I think
with use they will loosen some. I am at 88 hours now.
Ken Carpenter
N9XS A123
----- Original Message -----
From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
> John,
>
> I too found the wing spar to cockpit module set-up quite tight( little
> tolerance). I ended up tapping the 1/2 inch bolts in with a hammer. By
> lifting or depressing the wing tips slightly I was able to unbind the
pins.
> Still not a slip in, slip out operation. When setting up the wings to the
> fuselage I had the same to problem . I suspect later there will be more
> adjustments made to allow ease of placement. I would be curious to know
how
> many US builders that are flying leave their planes rigged all the time
> making this subject irrelevant.
>
> craig ellison
> a205
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
> >
> > Greetings to the new forum host.
> >
> > I was working on fitting my wings to the cockpit module today in prep
for
> > bonding spar cups in place and I can't seem to get the wings to pin to
the
> > cockpit module. The wings will pin to each other, although it is a very
> tight
> > fit. Each wing individually will pin to the cockpit module, but the
combo
> is
> > extremely tight. Either pin will go all the way in through both spars
and
> the
> > cockpit mondule, but the other, regardless of direction of insertion,
> won't
> > go "home".
> >
> > I set the cockpit module bushes using the dummy spar and the supplied
1/2
> > bolts. The holes for the bushes were already drilled and the tollerence
> with
> > the bush was tight, certainly not enough slop to cause the misalignment
> I'm
> > experiencing. The dummy spar also appears to fit the wings and the
cockpit
> > module perfectly in dry runs. The only thing I can figure is the cockpit
> > module bush holes were slightly incorrectly set at the factory.
> >
> > My sailplane experience says not to ream the bushes lest ye wind up with
> > loose fitting wings. Anybody else had this problem and if so what'd you
do
> > about it?
> >
> > John Lawton
> > Dunlap, TN
> > A-245
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
Craig and John
I have had the same tight fit on two kits. ( Bob Jacobsen's and mine) I
found part of the trouble was a very thin layer of epoxy inside the busses
in the wings. The busses are aluminum painted black ( I think it is just
paint). I used a hobby knife (sharp #11 blade) to pick and scrape it out.
It is not easy to see. After that I still having a "devil" of a time
getting the wings on and off. I used a 1/2" reamer to true up the three
busses at one time. Don't do this till after the wings are set to the
Fuselage and the lift pins are installed. You will have to use a vicegrip
on your 1/2" bolts for a while. (save the regular pins till after it all
fits good)
Hope this helps.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
PS: Glad to see Europa talk again !
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: clevelee@cswebmail.com
I applied some grease to the pins, and found that having a helper wiggle the
wing helps. My pins are tight, but comfortably so, considering that they will
come in and out over many years.
Cleve Lee
A198 Mono XS Jabiru 3300
Detroit, MI
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Greetings to the new forum host.
>
> I was working on fitting my wings to the cockpit module today in prep for
> bonding spar cups in place and I can't seem to get the wings to pin to the
> cockpit module. The wings will pin to each other, although it is a very tight
> fit. Each wing individually will pin to the cockpit module, but the combo is
> extremely tight. Either pin will go all the way in through both spars and the
> cockpit mondule, but the other, regardless of direction of insertion, won't
> go "home".
>
> I set the cockpit module bushes using the dummy spar and the supplied 1/2
> bolts. The holes for the bushes were already drilled and the tollerence with
> the bush was tight, certainly not enough slop to cause the misalignment I'm
> experiencing. The dummy spar also appears to fit the wings and the cockpit
> module perfectly in dry runs. The only thing I can figure is the cockpit
> module bush holes were slightly incorrectly set at the factory.
>
> My sailplane experience says not to ream the bushes lest ye wind up with
> loose fitting wings. Anybody else had this problem and if so what'd you do
> about it?
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Cliff,
I'm glad to hear others have had to use vicegrips to remove the pins. I'll
check into the spar busses/epoxy on mine and maybe try the 1/2" reamer next
time I have the wings on the fuselage.
thanks,
craig ellison
a205
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
>
> Craig and John
>
> I have had the same tight fit on two kits. ( Bob Jacobsen's and mine) I
> found part of the trouble was a very thin layer of epoxy inside the busses
> in the wings. The busses are aluminum painted black ( I think it is just
> paint). I used a hobby knife (sharp #11 blade) to pick and scrape it out.
> It is not easy to see. After that I still having a "devil" of a time
> getting the wings on and off. I used a 1/2" reamer to true up the three
> busses at one time. Don't do this till after the wings are set to the
> Fuselage and the lift pins are installed. You will have to use a vicegrip
> on your 1/2" bolts for a while. (save the regular pins till after it all
> fits good)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> PS: Glad to see Europa talk again !
>
>
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