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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (Richard)
2. 03:26 AM - SV: Andair Fuel Selector Extensions (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
3. 04:59 AM - SV: Andair Fuel Selector Extensions (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (Peter Zutrauen)
5. 07:35 AM - TEST-- Please Ignore (Chuck Popenoe)
6. 12:17 PM - Europa list FAQ (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
7. 12:17 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
8. 12:59 PM - Kit numbers (Fergus Kyle)
9. 10:28 PM - Minimum trim speed (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I had a similar problem. Everything lined up perfectly until I fitted the
wing lift/drag sockets. After cure & removing the wings, it became very
difficult to insert the spar pins on next fitting. I eventually used a
1/2in. reamer and everything went together nicely but it did leave me with a
little play in the starboard seat back pin bush. Apart from this, when the
wings are rigged, the whole shooting match is very solid and firm. I asked
the factory whether I should replace the bush and was told that a little
play was quite acceptable, in fact they were considering ovalising the holes
a little to allow the spars to flex a bit so I have left them as they were.
Cheers
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Selector Extensions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Tony,
> I was wondering if there is any opinion about the Andair Fuel Selector
> Extensions?
I have just installed this on my TRI-GEAR, where the aft part of the center
consol is free inside. If yours also is a tri-gear, my recommendation is
the following (obviously does not apply to mono-wheels):
- Fit the selector handle in a recessed cup made of 3 plys of bid (I used
the lower part of a white wine bottle as the mold), installed 100 mm (4")
aft of the knuckle for the mono's hand brakes (measured to the center of the
box) where the width is sufficient for this cup. In this position, it is
easy to operate the handle (a safety knob must be lifted at the same time as
you turn the handle to get it to "Off", easy to do by one hand), it is easy
to see the position of the handle and it is out of the way since it is
recessed.
- Cut the opening for the cup a little larger than the OD of the cup,
because according to the factory's recommendation you should reinforce this
cut-out with 2 plys of bid going from the underside through the opening (all
around its circumference) and onto the top, abt. 1 inch in under/over. Also
put some extra bid plys under the top along the sides and onto the top and
around the cup (after you have glued it in place with Araldite/Redux).
- I installed the valve on the underside of a cross-bar between the two
center tunnel sides, made of 10 mm foam with two plys of bid all around.
This makes the cross-bar very stiff yet light. I bolted the valve on the
underside for easy removal. In any event, make sure the cross-bar will not
interfere with the rudder cables running along the sides of the tunnel.
- When installing the valve, it must be absolutely square to the extension
tube, unless you opt for the more expensive universal joint extension.
Being careful and using Araldite with flox to bed the valve on the
cross-bar, you should be OK, though. I riveted the top of the extension
tube to the selector handle first, and then inserted (but not yet riveted)
the lower end into the valve for this alignment process and let the valve
just sink into the Araldite/flox bed under its own weight. Grease the
valve's mounting pads first! When cured, make certain 3 times that you have
the selector handle and the valve correctly orientated (I set the handle to
"Off" and checked that I could not blow through any of the valve holes).
Then use Rapid Aaraldite to glue the lower tube end to the valve spindle
insert. When cured, put in the rivets.
- When all is done and correct operation of the valve is verified, now is
the time to empty the bottle used as the mold for the cup!
- Note on the rivets: The instructions that came from Andair specified a
too large drill size for the rivets, you'll see that immediately when you
open the package. By the way, I riveted the top of the tube to the handle
without dismantling the handle - much easier that way (again a deviation
from the instructions).
- When ordering, specify hose fittings for 8 mm ID hose. These are not
stock items at Andair's (10 and 6 mm are), but they made 8 mm's for me at no
extra charge. These fittings are unique to the valve, you cannot use
ordinary screwed-in fittings.
The valve looks like a very good quality product.
If you - or anyone else - are interested in some photographs of this
installation, let me know off-list.
Regards,
Svein
A225 - now in Norway
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Selector Extensions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Correction to the message I just posted:
"--, installed 100 mm (4") aft of the knuckle for the mono's hand brakes
(measured to the center of the
box) where the width is sufficient for this cup." should read " ---
(measured to the center of the cup) --"
Svein
A225 - now in Norway
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| Subject: | Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>> I asked the factory whether I should replace the bush and was told that a little
>> play was quite acceptable, in fact they were considering ovalising the holes
>> a little to allow the spars to flex a bit so I have left them as they were.
hmmm .... I wonder what direction of flex the factory is referring to? If it's
in the veritcal axis, and with only two pins holding the spars, how is flex effected
by the pins? If it's in the longitudinal axis, then why should the spars
be flexing with the pip-pins holding the sweep constant?
Confused,
Pete
A239
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| Subject: | TEST-- Please Ignore |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Jeremy Davey has already mentioned that the Europa Forum FAQ
(Frequently Asked Questions), as available on the Europa Club
website, is now out of date in several important aspects.
I compiled that FAQ (prompted by just one too many "how do I get off
this list?" postings!), and have been maintaining it for over 5 years
now. With the move of the Europa community from the Aviators Network
server to the Matronics server, the parts of the FAQ specific to the
e-mail list are of course incorrect, but I'm pleased to say those
parts are mostly superseded by the excellent list guidelines posted
each month by Matt Dralle.
I'd like to lay down the task of FAQ maintenance, but first I intend
to make one last revision of the FAQ for the Club website,
eliminating all references to the late Aviators Network list server
(as it is likely that the archives there may not be available for
much longer). If (as stated in every posting of the FAQ since its
inception) anyone else wishes to take over as maintainer, they are
most welcome to do so. Please contact Jeremy Davey
<webmaster@europaclub.org.uk> without obligation to find out more
about what you could do.
Thanks to all those who have contributed towards the FAQ over the
past few years and helped me to keep it relevant; I hope it has been
a useful resource for the Europa community.
regards
Rowland
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (470 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 16:55 -0200 on 04-02-03, Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg wrote:
>How come some kits have an 'a' prefix to the s/n?
Alex - those identify kits sold by the US office of Europa. There are
some Europas in USA without the prefix, which were sold direct from
Yorkshire before the Florida office was set up. Although there are
also Europa representatives in other countries, as far as I know USA
& Argentina are the only ones with their own kit number sequences.
regards
Rowland
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (470 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
">How come some kits have an 'a' prefix to the s/n?
Alex - those identify kits sold by the US office of Europa. There are
some Europas in USA without the prefix, which were sold direct from
Yorkshire before the Florida office was set up. Although there are
also Europa representatives in other countries, as far as I know USA
& Argentina are the only ones with their own kit number sequences.
regards Rowland"
May I add to that? I tried to correspond my A number to the Uk
and etc numbers, but factory couldn't say.........wanted to know how I was
doing against the 'competition'. I doscovered the serial numbers of the
components - fuze top, canoe, cockpit etc. My A064 seems to correlate to
#319 when I compare serial nos. with Brit folk. I would be happy to compare
for someone around my timeline if so wanted.
Ferg
A064
PS: I'm now so far behind it doesn't matter
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| Subject: | Minimum trim speed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hello there all you flying Europa owners!
I am now a test pilot and I would like some input, if you could. I have now
flown the Mini U2 (motorgllider) 2 flights and 1.8 hours. It has gone very
well, except for today's near disaster landing. I have not explored the
slower speeds enough and was too conservative on the approach speed. (too
fast). The rest of the story, I will not tell, as it must be obvious. It
ended up OK with a go around.
The troubling thing I have encountered is that I can only trim to about 65
knots minimum and that is at full aft trim. I have not refined this exactly,
but it is close. The airplane acts as if it is at a too far forward CG. My CG
sits at 59.4, which is wwell within the envelope for the short wings. I
susect the long wings may have some adjustments here. I have checked again
all the controls and trim system movements and they all check out fine. My
question to the group is:
With the short wings, what is the minimum airspeed you can trim the airplane
- especially at a forward CG?
Also, in the videos of takeoffs, I see the tailwheel come up well before the
airplane main leaves the ground. I am paranoid about keeping the stick aft
and was wondering what those experienced with this configuration find during
takeoff for the tail coming off the ground. My airplane has been leaping off
the ground abruptly as I am keeping that stick probably too far back too
long.
Flight #3 coming up in a few days, with a more aft CG!
Dave
A227
Mini U2 (undamaged!)
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