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1. 03:07 AM - Diversion Update (Kevin Taylor)
2. 03:11 AM - Re: Diversion Update (Kevin Taylor)
3. 04:02 AM - Re: Diversion Update (Simon Smith)
4. 04:54 AM - Air adjustable seats (Curtis Jaussi)
5. 04:58 AM - Re: Diversion Update ()
6. 05:34 AM - Update (Kevin Taylor)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: Update (Cy Galley)
8. 07:20 AM - Re: Update (Fergus Kyle)
9. 07:33 AM - new weather station (Kevin Taylor)
10. 08:14 AM - Re: new weather station (Cy Galley)
11. 10:35 AM - Re: Minimum trim speed (Leo J. Corbalis)
12. 12:00 PM - Re: Minimum trim speed (Terry Seaver)
13. 02:36 PM - Re: new weather station (Kevin Taylor)
14. 02:37 PM - Re: Diversion Update (David Watts)
15. 02:51 PM - Re: Minimum trim speed (David Watts)
16. 03:18 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (McFadyean)
17. 04:12 PM - Re: Minimum trim speed (James Nelson)
18. 05:40 PM - Re: Europa Club Outrigger Mod (craig ellison)
19. 07:10 PM - New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider Wings (Ira Weissman)
20. 07:17 PM - Re: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider... (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
21. 08:17 PM - Re: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider... (Ira Weissman)
22. 08:45 PM - Araldite 420 US supplier (RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils))
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| Subject: | Diversion Update |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
All,
Just an update following on from my Emergency diversion and engine off
landing. As I suspected the kind hearted Humberside International Airport
have sent me a invoice for 32 for landing fee and one nights parking.
I had a long debate with them and suggested they should not charge me for
this but hey ho they don't have a heart.
If I'm honest the 32 doesn't bother me its just the principle. I know one
or two pilots that are pretty tight and it makes me think under the same
circumstances they might not take the safest option in favour of the
cheapest one.
I just had a thought of going back to them and offering them the cheque but
made out to a charity of their choice to show good will on both sides?
If your not familiar with the problem there is more info on my web site
www.ukmicrolights.com
Regards
Kevin
PS Anyone know where I can but the plastic curly stuff to protect plug
leads.
Also speaking to an inspector the other day he informed me all VP props must
have a separate log. I didn't know that so will be getting one.
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| Subject: | Diversion Update |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
test just adding a pound sign on the end of this text as mine didn't appear
to come thorough? $$$$$$ %%%%%%
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Taylor
Subject: Europa-List: Diversion Update
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
All,
Just an update following on from my Emergency diversion and engine off
landing. As I suspected the kind hearted Humberside International Airport
have sent me a invoice for 32 for landing fee and one nights parking.
I had a long debate with them and suggested they should not charge me for
this but hey ho they don't have a heart.
If I'm honest the 32 doesn't bother me its just the principle. I know one
or two pilots that are pretty tight and it makes me think under the same
circumstances they might not take the safest option in favour of the
cheapest one.
I just had a thought of going back to them and offering them the cheque but
made out to a charity of their choice to show good will on both sides?
If your not familiar with the problem there is more info on my web site
www.ukmicrolights.com
Regards
Kevin
PS Anyone know where I can but the plastic curly stuff to protect plug
leads.
Also speaking to an inspector the other day he informed me all VP props must
have a separate log. I didn't know that so will be getting one.
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| Subject: | Diversion Update |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@tiscali.co.uk>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
--> <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>Just an update following on from my Emergency diversion and engine off
landing. As I suspected the kind hearted Humberside >International
Airport have sent me a invoice for 32 for landing fee and one nights
parking.
<snip>
Sorry to here about your bill. For everyone's info there is a list on
the AOPA website at http://www.aopa.co.uk/newsfromaopa/Aopa1351.pdf of
all the UK airfields who DO NOT charge for diversions.
>PS Anyone know where I can but the plastic curly stuff to protect plug
leads.
See www.rswww.com item # 227-974
Simon
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| Subject: | Air adjustable seats |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi@direcway.com>
I have noticed some reference in past posts to air adjusable seats. This sounds
like a very interesting idea. Can anyone shed some light on where to get info
on parts and construction/installation methods for further study?
Curtis A216
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| Subject: | Re: Diversion Update |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <europa@nimbus.geog.ox.ac.uk>
Kevin Taylor wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
> <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> test just adding a pound sign on the end of this text as mine didn't
> appear to come thorough? $$$$$$ %%%%%%
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
> Taylor To: Europa Forum
> Subject: Europa-List: Diversion Update
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
> <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> All,
>
> Just an update following on from my Emergency diversion and engine off
> landing. As I suspected the kind hearted Humberside International
> Airport have sent me a invoice for 32 for landing fee and one nights
> parking.
Hi Kevin,
Good job it wasn't Heathrow!
Cheers,
Mark.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
All,
>
> Just an update following on from my Emergency diversion and engine off
> landing. As I suspected the kind hearted Humberside International Airport
> have sent me a invoice for 32 for landing fee and one nights parking.
>
> I had a long debate with them and suggested they should not charge me for
> this but hey ho they don't have a heart.
>
> If I'm honest the 32 doesn't bother me its just the principle. I know one
> or two pilots that are pretty tight and it makes me think under the same
> circumstances they might not take the safest option in favour of the
> cheapest one.
>
> I just had a thought of going back to them and offering them the cheque
but
> made out to a charity of their choice to show good will on both sides?
>
> If your not familiar with the problem there is more info on my web site
> www.ukmicrolights.com
>
> Regards
>
> Kevin
>
> PS Anyone know where I can but the plastic curly stuff to protect plug
> leads.
>
> Also speaking to an inspector the other day he informed me all VP props
must
> have a separate log. I didn't know that so will be getting one.
> ---
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Remember 32 pounds is about $50 Injury added to insult for an emergency.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Update
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> All,
> >
> > Just an update following on from my Emergency diversion and engine off
> > landing. As I suspected the kind hearted Humberside International
Airport
> > have sent me a invoice for 32 for landing fee and one nights parking.
> >
> > I had a long debate with them and suggested they should not charge me
for
> > this but hey ho they don't have a heart.
> >
> > If I'm honest the 32 doesn't bother me its just the principle. I know
one
> > or two pilots that are pretty tight and it makes me think under the same
> > circumstances they might not take the safest option in favour of the
> > cheapest one.
> >
> > I just had a thought of going back to them and offering them the cheque
> but
> > made out to a charity of their choice to show good will on both sides?
> >
> > If your not familiar with the problem there is more info on my web site
> > www.ukmicrolights.com
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > PS Anyone know where I can but the plastic curly stuff to protect plug
> > leads.
> >
> > Also speaking to an inspector the other day he informed me all VP props
> must
> > have a separate log. I didn't know that so will be getting one.
> > ---
> >
> ---
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Remember 32 pounds is about $50 Injury added to insult for an emergency.
I think you mean UKP and USD. It's over CDN$230 - we're still here.
Cheers, Ferg
diesel Eruopa A064
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| Subject: | new weather station |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Don't know if you guys are into this but we put in new weather station and
linked it up to the web. Its just gone on line this afternoon and we
currently have it set to update every hour.
Its handy for knowing wind speed and direction before setting out.
We bought one of the more expensive ones at 500 but they are available much
cheaper and not to complex to link up on line.
For anyone interested in a look here's the link.
So if anyone want to set out for Eddsfield and you want to know what the
weathers like check this out. (UK)
http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm
Kev T
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| Subject: | Re: new weather station |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Don't look like your barometer is hooked up. Either that or you are at a
record low!
I sent it to my daughter who lives in Pately Bridge.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: new weather station
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> Don't know if you guys are into this but we put in new weather station and
> linked it up to the web. Its just gone on line this afternoon and we
> currently have it set to update every hour.
>
> Its handy for knowing wind speed and direction before setting out.
>
> We bought one of the more expensive ones at 500 but they are available
much
> cheaper and not to complex to link up on line.
>
> For anyone interested in a look here's the link.
>
> So if anyone want to set out for Eddsfield and you want to know what the
> weathers like check this out. (UK)
>
>
> http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm
>
> Kev T
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum trim speed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <l.corbalis@worldnet.att.net>
I flew B-47s, 988 hrs. While the nose wheel of a B-47 is much farther
forward of the cg, we always kept it gently but firmly on the ground and let
the aft main fly. We were taking off at only 6 knots ahead of the bottom of
the power curve, 156 knots, and extremely close to the aft cg limit. You
could get a severe pitch up and wind up with no airspeed, not enough power
and not enough altitude. You don't have to grind off the prop tips, just
gently but firmly. Try it you'll like it, especially with an aft cg.
Have a good flight.
Leo Corbalis
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From: <DJA727@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Minimum trim speed
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> Hello there all you flying Europa owners!
>
> I am now a test pilot and I would like some input, if you could. I have
now
> flown the Mini U2 (motorgllider) 2 flights and 1.8 hours. It has gone very
> well, except for today's near disaster landing. I have not explored the
> slower speeds enough and was too conservative on the approach speed. (too
> fast). The rest of the story, I will not tell, as it must be obvious. It
> ended up OK with a go around.
>
> The troubling thing I have encountered is that I can only trim to about 65
> knots minimum and that is at full aft trim. I have not refined this
exactly,
> but it is close. The airplane acts as if it is at a too far forward CG. My
CG
> sits at 59.4, which is wwell within the envelope for the short wings. I
> susect the long wings may have some adjustments here. I have checked again
> all the controls and trim system movements and they all check out fine. My
> question to the group is:
>
> With the short wings, what is the minimum airspeed you can trim the
airplane
> - especially at a forward CG?
>
> Also, in the videos of takeoffs, I see the tailwheel come up well before
the
> airplane main leaves the ground. I am paranoid about keeping the stick aft
> and was wondering what those experienced with this configuration find
during
> takeoff for the tail coming off the ground. My airplane has been leaping
off
> the ground abruptly as I am keeping that stick probably too far back too
> long.
>
> Flight #3 coming up in a few days, with a more aft CG!
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2 (undamaged!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum trim speed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Dave,
As I recall, we get a power off (idle) speed of about 60 knots when our trim is
about centered, as per the LED trim position indicator that came with the kit.
To
the best of my knowledge, we have never flown with the trim on the 'up' (slower
speed) side of the centered trim position. Takeoff position is 2 notches down
on
the trim indicator. With half of our trim range on the (un-explored) slower side
of 60 knots, I have to think there is plenty of range to trim all the way to
stall, if desired.
I'll try to do a little more testing on this hypothesis this weekend.
regards,
Terry Seaver
N135TD
(short wing U2)
DJA727@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> Hello there all you flying Europa owners!
>
> I am now a test pilot and I would like some input, if you could. I have now
> flown the Mini U2 (motorgllider) 2 flights and 1.8 hours. It has gone very
> well, except for today's near disaster landing. I have not explored the
> slower speeds enough and was too conservative on the approach speed. (too
> fast). The rest of the story, I will not tell, as it must be obvious. It
> ended up OK with a go around.
>
> The troubling thing I have encountered is that I can only trim to about 65
> knots minimum and that is at full aft trim. I have not refined this exactly,
> but it is close. The airplane acts as if it is at a too far forward CG. My CG
> sits at 59.4, which is wwell within the envelope for the short wings. I
> susect the long wings may have some adjustments here. I have checked again
> all the controls and trim system movements and they all check out fine. My
> question to the group is:
>
> With the short wings, what is the minimum airspeed you can trim the airplane
> - especially at a forward CG?
>
> Also, in the videos of takeoffs, I see the tailwheel come up well before the
> airplane main leaves the ground. I am paranoid about keeping the stick aft
> and was wondering what those experienced with this configuration find during
> takeoff for the tail coming off the ground. My airplane has been leaping off
> the ground abruptly as I am keeping that stick probably too far back too
> long.
>
> Flight #3 coming up in a few days, with a more aft CG!
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2 (undamaged!)
>
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| Subject: | new weather station |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
The hardware we got was a Origon WMR 968.
The station itself is solar powered and uses wireless technology to send the
info to the LCD receiver which can be up to 100m away. The unit is great on
its own but has a serial port to plug in to the PC.
You can see the unit at
http://www.ambientweather.com
You can use loads of different software from various suppliers but we went
for
http://www.weather-display.com
Hope that helps just I have had a few off list requests for more info.
Regards
Kev T
PS I know some of the info isn't right and trying to correct it tonight
meant we lost the link but it does work just needs tweaking.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Europa-List: new weather station
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Don't look like your barometer is hooked up. Either that or you are at a
record low!
I sent it to my daughter who lives in Pately Bridge.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: new weather station
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> Don't know if you guys are into this but we put in new weather station and
> linked it up to the web. Its just gone on line this afternoon and we
> currently have it set to update every hour.
>
> Its handy for knowing wind speed and direction before setting out.
>
> We bought one of the more expensive ones at 500 but they are available
much
> cheaper and not to complex to link up on line.
>
> For anyone interested in a look here's the link.
>
> So if anyone want to set out for Eddsfield and you want to know what the
> weathers like check this out. (UK)
>
>
> http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm
>
> Kev T
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Diversion Update |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Kevin,
you can get it at Maplins.
Dave Watts G-BXDY
> PS Anyone know where I can but the plastic curly stuff to protect plug
> leads.
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum trim speed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
I have not trimmed for minimum speed, but I can tell you that I always fly
the final approach at 65 knots at which I have around 1.5 to 2 marks left on
the standard supplied trim gauge.
On take-off I ALWAYS lift the tail during the roll. I am guessing, but
probably at around 35 knots (I never look at the ASI as I do it all by
feel). In fact my preferred method is to slowly unload the back pressure on
the stick from just a few yards into the take-off roll. This seems to stop
any tendancy to swing (through precession) as the tail comes up, because it
is all a much more gentle affair. I have on many occassions forcefully
pushed the stick to get the tail up and you do have to be ready to stop the
extra swing that incures.
Dave Watts G-BXDY (now with 830 hrs on the clock)
> I am now a test pilot and I would like some input, if you could. I have
now
> flown the Mini U2 (motorgllider) 2 flights and 1.8 hours. It has gone very
> well, except for today's near disaster landing. I have not explored the
> slower speeds enough and was too conservative on the approach speed. (too
> fast). The rest of the story, I will not tell, as it must be obvious. It
> ended up OK with a go around.
> The troubling thing I have encountered is that I can only trim to about 65
> knots minimum and that is at full aft trim. I have not refined this
exactly,
> but it is close. The airplane acts as if it is at a too far forward CG. My
CG
> sits at 59.4, which is wwell within the envelope for the short wings. I
> susect the long wings may have some adjustments here. I have checked again
> all the controls and trim system movements and they all check out fine. My
> question to the group is:
> With the short wings, what is the minimum airspeed you can trim the
airplane
> - especially at a forward CG?
> Also, in the videos of takeoffs, I see the tailwheel come up well before
the
> airplane main leaves the ground. I am paranoid about keeping the stick aft
> and was wondering what those experienced with this configuration find
during
> takeoff for the tail coming off the ground. My airplane has been leaping
off
> the ground abruptly as I am keeping that stick probably too far back too
> long.
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| Subject: | Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Don't go there!
Duncan McF.
On Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:10 PM, Peter Zutrauen
[SMTP:peterz@zutrasoft.com] wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> >> I asked the factory whether I should replace the bush and was told
that a little
> >> play was quite acceptable, in fact they were considering ovalising the
holes
> >> a little to allow the spars to flex a bit so I have left them as they
were.
>
> hmmm .... I wonder what direction of flex the factory is referring to?
If it's in the veritcal axis, and with only two pins holding the spars,
how is flex effected by the pins? If it's in the longitudinal axis, then
why should the spars be flexing with the pip-pins holding the sweep
constant?
>
> Confused,
> Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum trim speed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Dave,
On take off's, keep the stick full back until about 40K, then let
the stick start to come forward. About that time, the aircraft will leap
into the air. The reason for the full back stick is to have full
steering untill you are ready to fly. It seems as tho I get to the point
of raising the tail and with in a couple of seconds the a/c leaps off the
runway. You will get use to it. Other people seeing it will marvel at
the quickness it leaves the ground. If the a/c leaves the ground before
you get the tail up just level the a/c and accelerate to 65K then climb
out smartly and around 50' I get the gear up. The a/c pitches upward
when you raise the gear but around 70 to75K the stall speed is far
behind. I then trim for the climb I want.
On landing I keep 65K on final and decelerate after passing the
threshold. It is a bit fast but as you get better control and confidence
at that point, you can get you threshold speed down to 60K. I'll work on
55K at the threshold after I spend a bit more time up at altitude feeling
out stalls. Hold your power untill over the threshold. After you clear
it cut your power, -- hold the a/c up-- as it wants to settle right away.
You have to much speed to let it settle at that point. This willl allow
you to decelerate to stall speed when you are just a few feet over the
runway. I have to work on this more myself. Be gentle at this point as
the a/c is sensitive as well you know. On touch down keep FULL back
stick to keep the tail on the ground for steering. Try to get the tail
on the ground first (just before the main) If it bounces, keep the stick
back. The wing has stopped flying and you just have to put up with the
bounce. If you chase it you will be 180 deg. out of phase and you must
so a go-around. I've done several times, when I wasn't happy with the
touch down. Just remember the "p" factor when you put the power on
again. I have a tendancy to begin swerving a bit. Its unnerving and you
must get on the rudder to get it straight. Lots of fun -------raises a
bit of swet. I've made quite a few approaches right to the point of
choping the power. This gives you good training on that last 50'. Just
keep up the training, it gets better. I'm at 29 hours and I am begining
to get comfortable. I have my check lists to remind me of what I need to
do, both before t.o. and landing.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:26:33 EST DJA727@aol.com writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> Hello there all you flying Europa owners!
>
> I am now a test pilot and I would like some input, if you could. I
> have now
> flown the Mini U2 (motorgllider) 2 flights and 1.8 hours. It has
> gone very
> well, except for today's near disaster landing. I have not explored
> the
> slower speeds enough and was too conservative on the approach speed.
> (too
> fast). The rest of the story, I will not tell, as it must be
> obvious. It
> ended up OK with a go around.
>
> The troubling thing I have encountered is that I can only trim to
> about 65
> knots minimum and that is at full aft trim. I have not refined this
> exactly,
> but it is close. The airplane acts as if it is at a too far forward
> CG. My CG
> sits at 59.4, which is wwell within the envelope for the short
> wings. I
> susect the long wings may have some adjustments here. I have checked
> again
> all the controls and trim system movements and they all check out
> fine. My
> question to the group is:
>
> With the short wings, what is the minimum airspeed you can trim the
> airplane
> - especially at a forward CG?
>
> Also, in the videos of takeoffs, I see the tailwheel come up well
> before the
> airplane main leaves the ground. I am paranoid about keeping the
> stick aft
> and was wondering what those experienced with this configuration
> find during
> takeoff for the tail coming off the ground. My airplane has been
> leaping off
> the ground abruptly as I am keeping that stick probably too far back
> too
> long.
>
> Flight #3 coming up in a few days, with a more aft CG!
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2 (undamaged!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Outrigger Mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Nigel,
For those of us that aren't Europa Club Members yet could we know some more
about the outrigger mod or do you have to be a member to find out that info?
craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Outrigger Mod
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> I have had a lot of interest about the Europa Club Outrigger mod and have
obtained some lengths of the stainless tube for other monowheel owners as it
has proved difficult to obtain. This initial stock has now been exhausted.
Although this tube is available by mail order in the USA ordering just 4" of
tube for international mailing is not very practical. As I shall be
returning to the USA in March and will have a mail pickup opportunity in JFK
I am prepared to get some more tube for those who missed out on the last
order. Also as the mod requires some 4130 steel tube, washers, nuts and
grease nipples I am also prepared to obtain these to enable me to supply
monowheel owners with a kit of parts for the mod. Anyone interested in
taking advantage of this should send me an e-mail, stating whether they
require just the stainless tube or the whole kit. This should be done by the
end of February when I shall place the order. The cost will be about =A33
for the tube or =A36 for the !
> kit. I will be able to accept orders from elsewhere in Europe in either
=A3's or Euro's (cash or cheque) provided the mailing costs are paid. If USA
owners wish to order from me I can mail the parts on each visit to the USA
(about once or twice per month). In this case if the above currencies are
not practical cash payment in $'s would be acceptable. For =A33 assume $5 or
Euro's and for =A36 assume $10 or Euro's. Exact cost will be confirmed on
placement of order. I will get a few extra sets of parts to allow for late
orders but ordering by the end of February will avoid disappointment.
>
> This is a club mod and is only available to club members. However the
membership subscription is hardly expensive and there are other mods
available as well as other membership benefits including a quarterly
magazine. The club also represents Europa builders/owners with frequent
discussions with the factory and the PFA. Supporting this with your
membership is in everyone's interest.
>
> As many will just be in the process of changing to this forum I will be
posting this message again later this month to ensure all those interested
get an opportunity to place an order.
>
> Regards
>
> Nigel Charles
> Europa Club Mods Representative
>
>
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| Subject: | New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider |
Wings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ira Weissman" <iweissman@mail.snip.net>
Hello my name is Ira Weissman and I have just joined the Europa Forum.
I am hoping to build a Europa motorglider.
I am currently looking to purchase at a reasonable price an unstarted or barely
started first stage kit. Also, if anyone who has purchased the motorglider wings
and has changed their mind I would be interested in purchasing them also.
I live in Cherry Hill NJ just outside of Philadelphia, PA in the USA. I can be
reached either by email at iweissman@snip.net or by telephone at my home number
which is 856-354-0173.
Thank You
Ira Weissman
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
You might want to try Shaun Simpkins on the glider wings. I bought his kit
when he lost his medical and I think that he mentioned that he had ordered a
set of long wings from the Lakeland office but hadn't picked them up yet.
shauns@hevanet.com
Good luck.
Mike Duane
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ira Weissman" <iweissman@mail.snip.net>
Mike
Thanks
I will try contacting him.
Ira
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and
Motorglider...
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> You might want to try Shaun Simpkins on the glider wings. I bought his kit
> when he lost his medical and I think that he mentioned that he had ordered
a
> set of long wings from the Lakeland office but hadn't picked them up yet.
>
> shauns@hevanet.com
>
> Good luck.
>
> Mike Duane
>
>
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| Subject: | Araldite 420 US supplier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)
Redux 410 became Araldite 420 which now is Epibond 420. Graco Supply Company in
Ft. Worth, Texas 76105-050 (phone 817-535-3200, fax 534-1127) sells Epibond
in quart kits of part a and b for $149 plus $20 packaging and UPS ground shipping
due to it being hazardous material. Place orders with Brian Bernethy via
credit card for same-day shipping.
Rob Neils
A 162 - MG3, aka U2 tri-gear
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