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1. 03:00 AM - Re: Europa Club Outrigger Mod (Jeremy Davey)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 02/06/03 (Graham Singleton)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: Update (LTS)
4. 07:02 AM - Project wanted (Simon Smith)
5. 08:25 AM - Long wing CG (DJA727@aol.com)
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Long wing CG (Peter Zutrauen)
7. 09:28 AM - Re: Long wing CG (DJA727@aol.com)
8. 10:44 AM - Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the UK (Nigel Charles)
9. 10:44 AM - Re: Minimum trim speed (Nigel Charles)
10. 10:44 AM - Re: New purchase of monowheel kit (Nigel Charles)
11. 12:21 PM - Re: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the UK (tom)
12. 12:25 PM - Re: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in (Richard Holder)
13. 12:41 PM - Re: Long wing CG (R.C.Harrison)
14. 01:14 PM - Re: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the UK (Richard)
15. 01:41 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module (McFadyean)
16. 01:56 PM - Re: Europa Club Outrigger Mod (McFadyean)
17. 04:06 PM - Re: Long wing CG (DJA727@aol.com)
18. 04:54 PM - Aileron Trim Servo (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
19. 05:05 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Servo (Cliff Shaw)
20. 06:16 PM - Re: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider... (Ira Weissman)
21. 11:44 PM - Re: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the UK (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Europa Club Outrigger Mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Outline details for non-members of all Club mod are on the web site at
www.europaclub.org.uk. Club members who have gone through the procedure to
get a userid and password have access to further details, including full
instructions for the mods.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig ellison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club Outrigger Mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Nigel,
For those of us that aren't Europa Club Members yet could we know some more
about the outrigger mod or do you have to be a member to find out that info?
craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Outrigger Mod
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> I have had a lot of interest about the Europa Club Outrigger mod and have
obtained some lengths of the stainless tube for other monowheel owners as it
has proved difficult to obtain. This initial stock has now been exhausted.
Although this tube is available by mail order in the USA ordering just 4" of
tube for international mailing is not very practical. As I shall be
returning to the USA in March and will have a mail pickup opportunity in JFK
I am prepared to get some more tube for those who missed out on the last
order. Also as the mod requires some 4130 steel tube, washers, nuts and
grease nipples I am also prepared to obtain these to enable me to supply
monowheel owners with a kit of parts for the mod. Anyone interested in
taking advantage of this should send me an e-mail, stating whether they
require just the stainless tube or the whole kit. This should be done by the
end of February when I shall place the order. The cost will be about =A33
for the tube or =A36 for the !
> kit. I will be able to accept orders from elsewhere in Europe in either
=A3's or Euro's (cash or cheque) provided the mailing costs are paid. If USA
owners wish to order from me I can mail the parts on each visit to the USA
(about once or twice per month). In this case if the above currencies are
not practical cash payment in $'s would be acceptable. For =A33 assume $5 or
Euro's and for =A36 assume $10 or Euro's. Exact cost will be confirmed on
placement of order. I will get a few extra sets of parts to allow for late
orders but ordering by the end of February will avoid disappointment.
>
> This is a club mod and is only available to club members. However the
membership subscription is hardly expensive and there are other mods
available as well as other membership benefits including a quarterly
magazine. The club also represents Europa builders/owners with frequent
discussions with the factory and the PFA. Supporting this with your
membership is in everyone's interest.
>
> As many will just be in the process of changing to this forum I will be
posting this message again later this month to ensure all those interested
get an opportunity to place an order.
>
> Regards
>
> Nigel Charles
> Europa Club Mods Representative
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 02/06/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 06/02/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Mini U2 test pilots
Dave
It sounds as though either your trim is not correct or the CG is too far
forward. I would stick with holding the tail down and let it go forward
smoothly exactly as Joim Nelson and Dave Watts say. Judge it by feel. If
stick force is high trim might be too far forward, but CG might affect
that. I would persuade Andy Draper to coach you on that , maybe John Hurst
too, I would guess John has more U2 experience than any of us.
One thing I found, all aircraft are different in some respects, even
airplanes of the same type. Our Classic short wing had too different trim
positions, one for landing and one for take off, I approached at 60 kts,
(55 if dead calm. Gives a steeper approach) if full power was selected we
had to trim forward a lot or the airplane got below the glide stall speed,
if the engine quits in that flight condition you have real trouble. Other
Classics had no trim change with power change.
One other thing, as Jim? remarked as you flare the nose tends to drop due
to the ground effect of the wing altering airflow direction over the tail
(less with tri gear, not as close to the ground) effectively a nose down
pitch trim change. You must keep the stick firmly in your belly once the
tailwheel is on the ground.
Take it very carefully, change one thing at a time and wish I was in your
situation right now! {{:-)
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "LTS" <lts@avnet.co.uk>
Several UK airports don't charge you if you land as a diversion or in an
emergency. Shoreham for example, who otherwise charge 14.
Jerry
Jerry@ban-bi.com or LTS@avnet.co.uk
www.Ban-bi.com or www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Update
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> All,
> >
> > Just an update following on from my Emergency diversion and engine off
> > landing. As I suspected the kind hearted Humberside International
Airport
> > have sent me a invoice for 32 for landing fee and one nights parking.
> >
> > I had a long debate with them and suggested they should not charge me
for
> > this but hey ho they don't have a heart.
> >
> > If I'm honest the 32 doesn't bother me its just the principle. I know
one
> > or two pilots that are pretty tight and it makes me think under the same
> > circumstances they might not take the safest option in favour of the
> > cheapest one.
> >
> > I just had a thought of going back to them and offering them the cheque
> but
> > made out to a charity of their choice to show good will on both sides?
> >
> > If your not familiar with the problem there is more info on my web site
> > www.ukmicrolights.com
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > PS Anyone know where I can but the plastic curly stuff to protect plug
> > leads.
> >
> > Also speaking to an inspector the other day he informed me all VP props
> must
> > have a separate log. I didn't know that so will be getting one.
> > ---
> >
> ---
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi all,
I'm looking for an unfinished Europa in the UK. Classic or XS. Mono or
Tri.
Cheers
Simon
jodel@tiscali.co.uk
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/7/2003 5:45:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
graham@gflight.f9.co.uk writes:
> At 23:56 06/02/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> Mini U2 test pilots
> Dave
> It sounds as though either your trim is not correct or the CG is too far
> forward. I would stick with holding the tail down and let it go forward
> smoothly exactly as Joim Nelson and Dave Watts say. Judge it by feel. If
> stick force is high trim might be too far forward, but CG might affect
> that. I would persuade Andy Draper to coach you on that , maybe John Hurst
> too, I would guess John has more U2 experience than any of us.
>
> One thing I found, all aircraft are different in some respects, even
> airplanes of the same type. Our Classic short wing had too different trim
> positions, one for landing and one for take off, I approached at 60 kts,
> (55 if dead calm. Gives a steeper approach) if full power was selected we
> had to trim forward a lot or the airplane got below the glide stall speed,
> if the engine quits in that flight condition you have real trouble. Other
> Classics had no trim change with power change.
>
> One other thing, as Jim? remarked as you flare the nose tends to drop due
> to the ground effect of the wing altering airflow direction over the tail
> (less with tri gear, not as close to the ground) effectively a nose down
> pitch trim change. You must keep the stick firmly in your belly once the
> tailwheel is on the ground.
>
> Take it very carefully, change one thing at a time and wish I was in your
> situation right now! {{:-)
> Graham
Thanks Graham,
The word is definitely that the CG is too far forward for the long wing. That
is what is flies like and that is what Europa found with their demonstrator
aircraft. One tidbit of information I gained from talking to Andy was that if
elevator authority is questionable, you can gain some authority by not
trimming to the slow approach speed and holding some back pressure during the
approach instead. The trimming out of the speed causes you to lose some
control authority. I reviewed my video tape from the cockpit and found that
the stick position was quite aft for the speed I was flying when touching
down - main first slightly - too fast. I checked the trim system again and
found all measurements to be in order. It looks as though if you are going to
fly both wings, you need to have a compromise CG to work with the 2 wings.
Right now, I can say that 59.5 appears to be the forward limit for the long
wings, and may actually be 60.0 depending on what is considered an acceptable
flight characteristic.
The CG has been adjusted to 60.5 for the next flight. I suspect it will be
easier to plant the tailwheel on the ground with better pitch authority at
the slower speeds.
Baby steps!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Dave,
Congrats again your successful flight testing! Oh for me to dream.... :-)
I remember in my glider ride, that John had her trimmed up at around 45-50mph indicated
(I did not look if he had any more up-trim left - but he didn't just
push the trim to it's limit).... I wonder what that plane's cg is at? did you
chat with John? What trim speeds did you get in the demo?
Cheers & best of continued success!
Pete
A239 Ottawa
-----Original Message-----
From: DJA727@aol.com [mailto:DJA727@aol.com]
Sent: Fri 2/7/2003 11:23 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Cc:
Subject: Europa-List: Long wing CG
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/7/2003 5:45:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
graham@gflight.f9.co.uk writes:
> At 23:56 06/02/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> Mini U2 test pilots
> Dave
> It sounds as though either your trim is not correct or the CG is too
far
> forward. I would stick with holding the tail down and let it go forward
> smoothly exactly as Joim Nelson and Dave Watts say. Judge it by feel.
If
> stick force is high trim might be too far forward, but CG might affect
> that. I would persuade Andy Draper to coach you on that , maybe John
Hurst
> too, I would guess John has more U2 experience than any of us.
>
> One thing I found, all aircraft are different in some respects, even
> airplanes of the same type. Our Classic short wing had too different
trim
> positions, one for landing and one for take off, I approached at 60 kts,
> (55 if dead calm. Gives a steeper approach) if full power was selected
we
> had to trim forward a lot or the airplane got below the glide stall speed,
> if the engine quits in that flight condition you have real trouble. Other
> Classics had no trim change with power change.
>
> One other thing, as Jim? remarked as you flare the nose tends to drop
due
> to the ground effect of the wing altering airflow direction over the
tail
> (less with tri gear, not as close to the ground) effectively a nose down
> pitch trim change. You must keep the stick firmly in your belly once
the
> tailwheel is on the ground.
>
> Take it very carefully, change one thing at a time and wish I was in
your
> situation right now! {{:-)
> Graham
Thanks Graham,
The word is definitely that the CG is too far forward for the long wing.
That
is what is flies like and that is what Europa found with their demonstrator
aircraft. One tidbit of information I gained from talking to Andy was that
if
elevator authority is questionable, you can gain some authority by not
trimming to the slow approach speed and holding some back pressure during
the
approach instead. The trimming out of the speed causes you to lose some
control authority. I reviewed my video tape from the cockpit and found
that
the stick position was quite aft for the speed I was flying when touching
down - main first slightly - too fast. I checked the trim system again
and
found all measurements to be in order. It looks as though if you are going
to
fly both wings, you need to have a compromise CG to work with the 2 wings.
Right now, I can say that 59.5 appears to be the forward limit for the
long
wings, and may actually be 60.0 depending on what is considered an acceptable
flight characteristic.
The CG has been adjusted to 60.5 for the next flight. I suspect it will
be
easier to plant the tailwheel on the ground with better pitch authority
at
the slower speeds.
Baby steps!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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| Subject: | Re: Long wing CG |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/7/2003 9:21:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
peterz@zutrasoft.com writes:
> I remember in my glider ride, that John had her trimmed up at around
> 45-50mph indicated (I did not look if he had any more up-trim left - but he
> didn't just push the trim to it's limit).... I wonder what that plane's cg
> is at? did you chat with John? What trim speeds did you get in the demo?
>
They added ballast o the tail to get the CG aft. I don't know where it is
right now, but I added the same amount of weight to get it back to 60.6. When
I was trimmed for approach, I had about 25% trim forward of the aft limit
when I flew it. I typically was flying 65 mph on approach initially and that
was what I trimmed for. The trim was neutral for the takeoff setting. The
stall was a non event -- the airplane barely would buffet and it just saw an
increased sink rate -- very mild stall. I will know more about mine in a few
days/weeks.
Dave
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| Subject: | Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Does anyone know a retail outlet in the UK for grease and sealant as required for
the Airmaster prop?
The 5 suitable grease types are listed in the Owner's Manual but I have yet to
find a retailer who stocks any of them in small quantities. Light Aero want over
=A390 for 3kg of Shell Aerogrease 22!!
With regards to the sealant (required for the blade root mod to prevent water ingress)
Andy Draper tells me that RS supply a suitable product (part no. 494-102)
but that Bostik (part no. 341-0977) is also suitable but much cheaper. Yet
again I have yet to find a retail outlet.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum trim speed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: <DJA727@aol.com>
>
> Also, in the videos of takeoffs, I see the tailwheel come up well before
the
> airplane main leaves the ground. I am paranoid about keeping the stick aft
> and was wondering what those experienced with this configuration find
during
> takeoff for the tail coming off the ground. My airplane has been leaping
off
> the ground abruptly as I am keeping that stick probably too far back too
> long.
>
I hold the stick full aft until about 35-40kts when I relax the backpressure
to allow the tail to lift. Higher powered Europas (100hp or more) accelerate
fast enough so that the relatively vulnerable stage balanced on one wheel is
kept short. VP props also help in this respect. Originally, like you, I kept
the stick fully aft virtually until lift-off. As I found this can have its
problems when operating on grass as a slight hump can launch you before the
aircraft is ready to fly. If the aircraft is allowed to leave ground effect,
wing drop or stall could result. I was both lucky and unlucky. Lucky in that
I managed to ease back into ground effect whilst picking up the dropped wing
with rudder rather than aileron. Unlucky in that in the first place I hit a
hump at a critical stage with full aft stick (in this case about 42kts). Any
slower and the aircraft would not have left the ground prematurely, any
later the aircraft would have climbed away successfully albeit a bit slow.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase of monowheel kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Options we are probably going to make:
>
> Install a Aileron trim servo
>
I would suggest that an aileron trim is only really worthwhile if there is
an appreciable amount of time operating 1 POB and 2 POB. Otherwise just use
a fixed tab to set it up for your normal trim condition. I found that on the
few occasions that I flew on my own there was only a slight trim load which
was easily coped with by using my knee as a trim stop. The best way (imho)
to set up
a fixed trim tab is to fix a length of wedge shaped balsawood under the
aileron of the high wing (ie half a Flettner strip). This has three
advantages over conventional trim tabs:
1. It is hidden from view.
2. It weighs very little minimising the effect on mass balancing.
3. It is easily adjusted by cutting to length until it is just right.
Initially fix with tape until perfectly trimmed and then glue it in
position.
If you still wish to use full aileron trim be sure to mass balance the
aileron after fitting the servo to avoid any problems with flutter.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the |
UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" <beecho@fix.net>
Nigel
Aircraft Spruce has it and it is inexpensive. They will air mail it.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the
UK
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Does anyone know a retail outlet in the UK for grease and sealant as
required for the Airmaster prop?
>
> The 5 suitable grease types are listed in the Owner's Manual but I have
yet to find a retailer who stocks any of them in small quantities. Light
Aero want over =A390 for 3kg of Shell Aerogrease 22!!
>
> With regards to the sealant (required for the blade root mod to prevent
water ingress) Andy Draper tells me that RS supply a suitable product (part
no. 494-102) but that Bostik (part no. 341-0977) is also suitable but much
cheaper. Yet again I have yet to find a retail outlet.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in |
the UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Nigel
Light Aero sold me 500 gm of Mobil 28 for 13.50. It is one of the items on
the list of approved greases.
Or I'm sure Nigel Harrison & I could spare some of the 495 grams we have
left !
If you contact Nigel he will tell you what sealant he used. 0780 1415588 -
be patient - best during theday.
Request for Permit to Test sent off today.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, being built.
> From: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:40:27 -0000
> To: "europa-list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the UK
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
> <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Does anyone know a retail outlet in the UK for grease and sealant as required
> for the Airmaster prop?
>
> The 5 suitable grease types are listed in the Owner's Manual but I have yet to
> find a retailer who stocks any of them in small quantities. Light Aero want
> over =A390 for 3kg of Shell Aerogrease 22!!
>
> With regards to the sealant (required for the blade root mod to prevent water
> ingress) Andy Draper tells me that RS supply a suitable product (part no.
> 494-102) but that Bostik (part no. 341-0977) is also suitable but much
> cheaper. Yet again I have yet to find a retail outlet.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Dave.
I don't profess to be a specialist but I'm on the understanding that the
Europa has a very benign stall anyway. It won't give you warning unless you
fit stall strips. The PFA make it mandatory here unless there is another
warning device. When you have them set right there is a most pronounced
buffet, you would be fast asleep to not notice it. You seem to say "it was a
non-event" and that is what a benign stall is. IMHO you need to investigate
the stall strips and locating them, the position is very critical and a
there is a template in the Owners Manual for the initial location from that
1mm up or down begins to show the buffet in very pronounced effect. Mine are
just taped in place in the absence of invading the wing with a permanent
fixing, and have they have been life savers, like buffet three times leaving
ground effect too early .
Hope this helps?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa 337 MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DJA727@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Long wing CG
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/7/2003 9:21:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
peterz@zutrasoft.com writes:
> I remember in my glider ride, that John had her trimmed up at around
> 45-50mph indicated (I did not look if he had any more up-trim left - but
he
> didn't just push the trim to it's limit).... I wonder what that plane's cg
> is at? did you chat with John? What trim speeds did you get in the demo?
>
They added ballast o the tail to get the CG aft. I don't know where it is
right now, but I added the same amount of weight to get it back to 60.6.
When
I was trimmed for approach, I had about 25% trim forward of the aft limit
when I flew it. I typically was flying 65 mph on approach initially and that
was what I trimmed for. The trim was neutral for the takeoff setting. The
stall was a non event -- the airplane barely would buffet and it just saw an
increased sink rate -- very mild stall. I will know more about mine in a few
days/weeks.
Dave
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| Subject: | Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the |
UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Nigel,
Light Aero do sell Shell 22 in 500g. tins. Not cheap however, I think it was
around 20 pounds.
I used Silicon RTV from a car accessory shop for the blade root sealant.
Cheers.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Nigel
Charles
Subject: Europa-List: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in
the UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Does anyone know a retail outlet in the UK for grease and sealant as
required for the Airmaster prop?
The 5 suitable grease types are listed in the Owner's Manual but I have yet
to find a retailer who stocks any of them in small quantities. Light Aero
want over =A390 for 3kg of Shell Aerogrease 22!!
With regards to the sealant (required for the blade root mod to prevent
water ingress) Andy Draper tells me that RS supply a suitable product (part
no. 494-102) but that Bostik (part no. 341-0977) is also suitable but much
cheaper. Yet again I have yet to find a retail outlet.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Trouble fitting wing spars to cockpit module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Hmmm, thinking aloud I wonder whether this stuff could be used for easy the
clearances between CS02/03/04 (aileron torque tube bearing that goes
tightish in cold weather).
Duncan McF
On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:15 PM, Ron Parigoris
[SMTP:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us] wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ron Parigoris
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Hey craig ellison
>
> "Ron do you have a name of the lapping compound you mentioned."
>
> Fron Cat. 108:
>
> #4781A4 is for a 1 pound can for soft metals. it is $20.83
>
> It is on page #2474
>
> They also have some for Hard metals PN #4781A6
>
> The page reads:
>
> These compounds work like magic, they change from an abrasive to a
> polish during use and then finally become inert. They're guarenteed not
> to embed in any metal surface. Perfect for fitting and smoothing the
> bearing or contact surface or rotating, ossolating and sliding parts.
>
> Furnish as a powder to mix with oil. A thin machine oil (SAE 10 or 20)
> or heavier gear oil can be used. compound does not contain harsh
> abrasives.
>
> Soft-Metal grade is for fitting bearings, brass valves, bronze fittings
> and gears, and soft metal guides. Use on Babbit, Brass, Bronz and
> Aluminium.
>
> =======================================================================
>
> Anyway i will be glad to send you some to give a try. I also have some
> Lard cutting oil that is perfect for mixing.
>
> Send me a self adressed postage paid box, with a 4 oz container that
> won't leak for the oil, I will put the compound in a zip lock bag.
> figure add additional 8 oz for contents.
>
> send to:
>
> Ron Parigoris
> 44 Carriage Drive
> Kings Park NY 11754
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Club Outrigger Mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
On Friday, February 07, 2003 10:59 AM, Jeremy Davey >
> Outline details for non-members of all Club mod are on the web site at
> www.europaclub.org.uk.
....Club members who have gone through the procedure to
> get a userid and password have access to further details, >
May I have access please.
From: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: members-only area access request
mcfadyeand:tCWFqlK8r1JdU
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| Subject: | Re: Long wing CG |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/7/2003 12:42:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk writes:
> I don't profess to be a specialist but I'm on the understanding that the
> Europa has a very benign stall anyway. It won't give you warning unless you
> fit stall strips. The PFA make it mandatory here unless there is another
> warning device. When you have them set right there is a most pronounced
> buffet, you would be fast asleep to not notice it. You seem to say "it was
> a
> non-event" and that is what a benign stall is. IMHO you need to investigate
> the stall strips and locating them, the position is very critical and a
> there is a template in the Owners Manual for the initial location from that
> 1mm up or down begins to show the buffet in very pronounced effect. Mine
> are
> just taped in place in the absence of invading the wing with a permanent
> fixing, and have they have been life savers, like buffet three times
> leaving
> ground effect too early .
> Hope this helps?
One thing - I am flying the long wing. There are no provisions for stall
strips on that wing. My comment about the non event stall is the long wing
only. The short wing without stall strips can have a very abrupt stall - I
have not done one, but have heard from other builders.
I will be approaching the slow speeds with great caution - at 12,000 feet!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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| Subject: | Aileron Trim Servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Has anyone installed an aileron trim servo? John Hurst tells me it's a nice
addition if you fly alone frequently. I'm at the point where I'd need to
install it. Comments?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
John
Lok at Bob's web page. http://www.galaxyhobby.com/europa.htm
Also see http://www.europa-usa.com/
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Trim Servo
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Has anyone installed an aileron trim servo? John Hurst tells me it's a
nice
> addition if you fly alone frequently. I'm at the point where I'd need to
> install it. Comments?
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and Motorglider... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ira Weissman" <iweissman@mail.snip.net>
Mike
I heard back from Shaun. Apparently he sold his wings last November. Oh
well.
Again, thanks for your help.
Ira
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Member Looking To Purchase Stage One Kit and
Motorglider...
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> You might want to try Shaun Simpkins on the glider wings. I bought his kit
> when he lost his medical and I think that he mentioned that he had ordered
a
> set of long wings from the Lakeland office but hadn't picked them up yet.
>
> shauns@hevanet.com
>
> Good luck.
>
> Mike Duane
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the |
UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Nigel,
I had a similar problem trying to find grease for my Arplast PV50. The
recommended grease is Duckhams "Keenol" and eventually I had to buy a pack
of 12 x 500 gms. It is basically designed for marine use with a temp range
of -35 to + 150*c. I have 10 tubs left if anyone is in need of any.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Source for grease/sealant for Airmaster props in the
UK
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