---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/13/03: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: Engine mounts (Nigel Charles) 2. 06:38 AM - Europa Club (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 3. 06:52 AM - Europa Club , how to join (Ron Parigoris) 4. 08:28 AM - Re: Engine mounts (DJA727@aol.com) 5. 09:04 AM - Re: Wing Painting (Roger Sheridan) 6. 09:06 AM - Re: Europa Club (Terry Seaver) 7. 11:05 PM - Night and Day (DJA727@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:29 AM PST US From: "Nigel Charles" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine mounts --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" Hi Dave Have you had your prop dynamically balanced as this may be the cause of your vibration? The Europa pitot and static sources were originally mounted on the fin tip and fuselage sides respectively. Both were moved to the wing due to errors and variation between individual aircraft. The helical airflow due to the prop makes the use of a fuselage static unpredictable. The factory had tried many setups before resorting to wing mounted static so probably best to stay with that. Nigel Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Engine mounts > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com > > Hello all, > > I now have 4.3 hours of flight time on the Mini U2 with very few problems. My > main complaint is vibration from the engine/prop combination. The stock motor > mounts are as if made of rock, so I went with the modification today to > replace them with continental O200 engine mounts. They are noticeably softer > and when installed (about a 3 hour job) the engine has significantly more > movement than before. This seems to be a quantum leap in flexibility. I have > yet to run it and I know they are installed correctly. > > My question: Have many people changed these engine mounts? It seems like a > good idea, but the amount of motion (mount flexibility) surprises me. Anyone > out there with similar experience? > > BTW - I found a speed difference of 6 knots between the wing static system > and cabin static -- cabin reading higher. Since the airplane is stalling at a > faster speed than I expect on cabin, I suspect that the pitot static on the > wing is better. I also wonder about how the holes on the side of the wing > static are clocked with respect to vertical. I did mine at 1:30, 4:30, 7:30 > and 10:30. Has anyone tried to make a static port on the side of the fuselage > aft portion like many airplane do (my twin comanche for example?) > > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:23 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Greetings all. In recent days I've been trying to join the Europa club, but the e-mails keep coming back as undeliverable. If the club secretary is reading this forum, please drop me an e-mail with info about how to join the club. Thanks! John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:50 AM PST US From: Ron Parigoris Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club , how to join --> Europa-List message posted by: Ron Parigoris Hey John Lawton I am in the process of joining. Perhaps this will help. Ron Parigoris Europa Club Membership Secretary wrote: > > At 23:28 -0500 on 27-01-03, Ron Parigoris wrote: > > >I wish to join The Europa Club > > >Can I pay by check? > > > >If not can I pay by mastercard or Visa? > > >I tried to subscribe to the Europa List but I have yet to get a > >response > > Ron - thanks for your enquiry. > > We can take cheques ONLY if you have a sterling account at a UK bank > and can thus utter a sterling cheque. We CANNOT accept any other > cheques including travellers cheques or eurocheques. But credit > cards, no problem! We set up the credit card acceptance facility > specifically to facilitate payments from overseas members, and it > works well. We get the money in pounds, you get billed by the card > company in dollars or whatever is usual for your account. > > You will see in what follows the correct current instructions for > joining the e-mail list. Can you tell me where you got the > instructions for joining using the avnet address? That has been out > of use for about a year now, and I think they switched off the > redirection on that address a while back, which would explain why you > got no answer. > > Following is a brief intro to the Club, a copy of the Constitution, > and a membership application form. Any problems with any of this, or > if more information needed, please get back to me. > > regards > > Rowland > > ------------------------------ cut here ------------------------------ > > The Europa Club was formed in February 1994 under the Popular Flying > Association (PFA) type club rules, to bring together UK Europa builders > and prospective builders in an independent forum for discussion and action > on issues concerned with the building and flying of Europa aircraft. Our > growth since then has reflected the popularity of the Europa design itself, > with hundreds of members worldwide. > > We hope to include as many builders and operators as possible, so that we may > share experiences to our mutual benefit. This is done through our newsletter, > The Europa Flyer, issued in Mar, Jun, Sep & Dec each year, by the publication > of a membership list, and through meetings, seminars and fly-ins. Subjects > addressed by Club publications and activities include safety in all its > aspects, builder's tips & ideas, problems encountered & solutions developed, > possible engine alternatives, type conversion training, maintenance, > insurance, touring abroad and formation flying. Members receive a collection > of building and flying hints and tips arranged in building order. We have > documented several popular modifications now "pre-approved" by the PFA. We > own some special tools for loan to members, and the Europa Club Rescue > Service aims to help members with aircraft problems away from home. > > Club members have helped to set up and maintain the Europa internet e-mail > forum. To join the forum, send any e-mail message to > > > > and follow the instructions you receive in reply. There is a Europa > Club page on the World Wide Web at . > > The Club's success depends upon the enthusiastic participation of the > membership - submitting material for the newsletter (drawings, articles, > queries, sales volunteering to help with the Rescue Service, > at meetings, fly-ins and other social activities; and assisting with > financial, communication or administrative matters on the Committee. New > talent is always welcome. Once you've joined, please contact the Newsletter > Editor or Event Co-ordinator to find out where your input can be used. > > The Europa Club Committee from the July 2002 AGM and subsequent co-options is: > > Post Kit # Name > > President 040 Bill Wynne > Chairman 067 Dave Bosomworth > Vice-chairman 039 Jim Naylor > Secretary 229 Sarah Attubato > Treasurer 265 David Corbett > Safety Officer 094 Mike Gregory > Internet Representative 259 John Cliff > (e-mail list) > Internet Representative 537 Jeremy Davey > (website) > PFA Inspector Rep 032 Pete Jeffers > PFA National Council Rep 010 Tim Houlihan > PFA Mods Officer 203 Nigel Charles > Deputy PFA Mods Officer 505 Ian Rickard > e-mail for both > Newsletter Editor 229 David Watts > 58 Salisbury Road > TONBRIDGE > Kent TN10 4PE > phone: 01732 350691 > Events Co-ordinator 017 Peter Kember > 2 Steelbridge Cottages > Eridge > TUNBRIDGE WELLS > Kent TN3 9JD > phone: 01892 864892 > Membership Secretary 435 Rowland Carson > (+ newsletter back numbers, 4 Saville Close > miscellaneous sales items CHELTENHAM > and tool loans) Gloucestershire > England GL50 4NE > phone: 01242 525674 > > Enclosed with this brief introduction is a copy of the Club > Constitution, a membership application form, and a form for the > Europa Club Rescue Service. If you need any more information, please > contact the Membership Secretary. > > Issued 2002 09 25 > > ------------------------------ cut here ------------------------------ > > The Europa Club Constitution [Adopted 1995: amended 1997] > > (1) Title - The name of the Club shall be "The Europa Club" > > (2) Objects - The objects of the Club shall be to promote the interest of its > membership in the Europa aircraft (designed and manufactured by > Ivan Shaw). > > (3) Membership - Membership of the Club shall be open to any person who is a > Europa builder, owner, or prospective builder/owner. Admission > shall be at > the discretion of the membership secretary under the direction of the > committee. The committee shall be empowered to refuse or revoke the > membership of any person whose membership it considers may be detrimental > to the interest of the Club. > > (i) Full Members - Full members shall be admitted to the Club subject to > the following criteria. That they shall have a substantial financial > interest in a Europa project or aircraft (ie - greater than 100). > > (ii) Honorary Members - The committee shall be empowered to elect up to > three honorary members (a President and up to two Vice Presidents) > whose membership shall be confirmed and reviewed annually at the > Club's AGM. Honorary members shall enjoy all membership privileges > other than that they shall have no voting rights. > > (iii) Associate Members - Associate members shall be admitted to the Club > and shall enjoy all membership privileges other than they shall have > no voting rights. > > (4) Officers - The affairs of the Club shall be managed by the Committee > which shall consist of a Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer, > Membership Secretary, Social Secretary and Club Magazine Editor. Officers > shall be elected annually at the Club's AGM. In the event of the > resignation of any officer during his/her term of office the committee > shall appoint (where possible) a replacement to serve until the next AGM. > > (5) Subscriptions - The amount of the club's annual subscription shall be > determined by the committee and shall be notified to the membership on or > before the 31st January of the year that it is due. Subscriptions shall > become due on 1st April every year. In the event of the voluntary > resignation of any member, subscriptions shall not be refundable. In the > event of expulsion or resignation at the request of the committee of any > member a proportional refund of subscriptions shall be made. > > (6) Termination of Membership - Any member wishing to resign from the Club > shall give notice to the Secretary in writing before 1st April. If the > subscription of any member shall not have been paid by the 1st June their > membership shall be deemed to have terminated and membership privileges > shall cease. A member may be reinstated at any time subject to agreement > by the membership secretary and payment of the full annual > membership fee. > > (7) Expulsion of Members - If in the opinion of the committee the conduct of > any member shall be prejudicial to the interests of the Club, then the > committee shall be empowered to request such a member to resign. If the > member so requested does not resign within one month he/she shall be > liable to expulsion by the committee. > > (8) Annual General Meeting - The Annual General Meeting shall be held at such > time and place as shall be decided by the Committee. Notice and agenda of > any General Meeting shall be posted at least 21 days in advance to all > members. The business of the Annual General Meeting shall be to: > > (i) Receive and approve reports on the activities of the past year from > the Chairman. > > (ii) Receive and approve the accounts of the Club. > > (iii) Elect the Officers and Committee of the Club. > > (iv) Transact any other business on the Agenda. > > (9) Nomination of Officers - Nominations for Officers shall be proposed and > seconded by two full members of the Club with the consent of the nominee > at the Club's AGM. Alternately nominations may be submitted in writing to > the Secretary at least 7 days prior to the AGM. Nominees and proposers > shall be fully paid up members of the Club. > > (10) Voting - Voting shall be by a show of voting cards. > > (11) Alteration of Rules - No amendment or alteration to the Constitution > shall be made except at the Annual General Meeting by a two-thirds > majority of the members present. In exceptional circumstances > an amendment > may be decided by a postal ballot. The Committee is empowered to make > emergency rules which must be published in the next club newsletter and > submitted to the next Annual General Meeting. > > (12) Extraordinary General Meeting - The Committee shall have the > power to call > an Extraordinary General Meeting, and shall be bound to do so by posting > notice to all members within 14 days on receiving notice in > writing signed > by not less than 25% of the full membership. The business to be > transacted > must appear on the Agenda, and no other business discussed. > > (13) Committee Meetings - The Committee shall meet at least 4 times > a year, and > on other occasions as shall be deemed necessary. 3 members shall form a > quorum. > > (14) Sub-Committees - The Committee shall have the power to appoint from time > to time sub-committees for any purpose connected with the Club whenever > their advice or assistance may be deemed desirable. > > (15) Financial Year and Auditor - The Club's financial year shall end on the > 31st March. An audit sub-committee shall be appointed at the Annual > General Meeting each year, and the Balance Sheet and Accounts for the > preceding financial year, as drawn up by the Treasurer and > approved by the > audit sub-committee, shall be submitted for approval by the members at > each Annual General Meeting. > > (16) Club Funds - All money belonging to the Club shall be paid by the > Treasurer into a separate account in the name of the Club at a bank or > building society to be named by the Committee. All cheques drawn on a > Building Society account shall be authorised by two Officers of the > Committee, and all cheques drawn on a clearing bank account shall be > signed by two Officers of the Committee. > > (17) Visitors - Visitors and guests shall be admitted to Club meetings at the > Secretary's discretion and where appropriate a nominal charge (fixed by > the Treasurer) shall be made. > > (18) Winding Up - If, at an Annual General Meeting or Extraordinary General > Meeting, a special resolution to wind up the affairs of the Club shall > have been duly proposed and passed, so much of the assets of the Club > shall be realized as may be required to discharge all liabilities and any > remaining assets shall be donated to the Popular Flying Association. No > such special resolution shall be passed unless carried by a minimum of > 80 per cent of the members present. > > ------------------------------ cut here ------------------------------ > > Europa Club Membership Application/Renewal > OnLine ASCII text version - issue 2002 09 25 > Looks best printed out in 9 or 10 point Courier or other monospaced font. > > Please complete and return by paper mail - obviously no point in replying by > e-mail if you're sending a cheque; and I advise against sending your credit > card number in a plain-text e-mail. If you do so, I am prepared to process > your application as if it were by phone (since there will be no signature); > but NOTE that neither the Club nor any of its individual Officers will be > liable for anything that may happen as a result of your number becoming known > to any third party, or for any compromise of your account security. > > Tick any multi-choice items that apply to you. > > New member [_] Renewal [_] (Member # __________) > Builder [_] (Or syndicate leader) Operator [_] (ie NOT original builder) > No Europa at present [_] Syndicate member [_] (building OR flying) > Journalist [_] Company [_] > > AIRCRAFT DETAILS: > > Kit # __________ PFA project # __________ > > Aircraft Registration Mark __________ > > U/C: Monowheel [_] Tri-gear [_] Conventional [_] Convertible [_] > > Wings: Standard [_] Motor-glider [_] > > Trailer: Open [_] Covered [_] No trailer [_] > > Engine __________ Prop __________ > > Hours to build __________ Empty weight lb __________ > > First flown date __________ Hours aircraft flown __________ > > Modifications ____________________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Specialist services used _________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > PERSONAL DETAILS: > > First name __________________________________________________________ > > Surname __________________________________________________________ > > Partner __________________________________________________________ > (life partner OR building partner) > > Organisation _____________________________________________________ > > Address __________________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________________ > > Town/City __________________________________________________________ > > County/State __________________________________________________________ > > Country __________________________________________________________ > > Postal Code __________________________________________________________ > > Telephone __________________________________________________________ > > Fax __________________________________________________________ > > e-mail __________________________________________________________ > > website __________________________________________________________ > > PFA member # __________________________________________________________ > > Local airfield __________________________________________________________ > > Latitude _________________________ Longitude _________________________ > > [_] My address/phone details may be released to other Europa Club members > > [_] My address/phone details may NOT be released without specific permission > > NOTE: If you do not make an explicit choice here by ticking a box, we will > assume that you do not object to release of your details. > > Specific interests (things I hope the Club will offer to me) > > __________________________________________________________ > > Skills and resources (things I can offer to the Club) > > __________________________________________________________ > > [_] I am willing to help with the Europa Club Rescue Service and have > filled in the separate form below for that. > > Membership Subscription includes newsletter sent First Class or AirMail. > Subscription rates are currently uniform worldwide. > All shown in Pounds Sterling - please circle appropriate amount(s) > > Annual subscription (joining 1 Apr - 30 Sep) 15.00 > > Part-year subscription (joining 1 Oct - 31 Mar) 8.00 > > Newsletters are published Mar, Jun, Sep, & Dec. The Mar & Jun issues are > included in all new subscriptions paid before 1st October. The part-year > subscription includes the Sep & Dec issues. > All previous issues from #1, May 1994 are still available > at 2.00 each including postage. > Please indicate which ones are required if ordering other than a full set. > > Newsletter back numbers _______________________ @ 2.00, total ______ > > The text only of all previous newsletters is available on floppy disc or > CD-ROM, with a full index file, at 10.00 including postage. > > Newsletter text on 3.5" floppy disc @ 10.00 ______________________ 10.00 > > Newsletter text on CD-ROM @ 10.00 ________________________________ 10.00 > > A membership list is issued to every new member. Please indicate whether you > prefer to have this on paper (over 40 sides) or on CD-ROM (as .PDF files, > can be read on-screen or printed out in whole or in part). > > [_] I prefer to have a Membership list on paper > > [_] I prefer to have a Membership list on CD-ROM > > NOTE: If you do not make an explicit choice here by ticking a box, we will > issue the CD-ROM version. > > Method of payment: > > [_] I enclose a cheque drawn on a UK bank, payable to "Europa Club", > > for the total amount of ____________ Pounds Sterling. > > [_] I wish to charge the total amount of ____________ Pounds Sterling > to my Visa/Mastercard account number: > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Expiry: _ _ / _ _ > > I confirm that the name and address shown above on this form are those > in which the card is issued. > > Signature _______________________________________________________________ > > The membership database complies with the Data Protection Act 1998. As a > not-for-profit organisation, The Europa Club is not required to Notify > under the Act. > > Please return this completed form (with your cheque if paying that way) > to the following address: > > Rowland Carson > Europa Club Membership Secretary > 4 Saville Close > CHELTENHAM > Gloucestershire > ENGLAND GL50 4NE > > ------------------------------ cut here ------------------------------ > > Europa Club Rescue Service form 2002 09 25 issue > > We need to collate the many different types of help being offered for the > Europa Club Rescue Service into data that we can store in the membership > database. If you would like to help in any way with the Rescue Service, > please fill in the following form (delete or circle options as appropriate) > and return to the Membership Secretary Rowland Carson (4 Saville Close, > Cheltenham, Glos. GL50 4NE). Make sure that any phone numbers we hold for > you are correct (you needn't repeat the numbers if you've already filled in > a membership form above). Don't be over-awed by the list of options - it's > based on offers from many people and we don't expect that anyone will say > "yes" to everything! Whatever help you can offer is valuable; even a bit > of local knowledge at the end of a phone can make all the difference. You > can always let me know if your circumstances change. Frequently updated > lists of Rescue Service volunteers are distributed to the Committee only, > not to the membership generally. If you need help, call any Committee member > (there is a list of numbers inside the front cover of every issue of The > Europa Flyer), and they will put you in touch with the most appropriate > volunteer(s). > > Name __________________________________________________________ > > Club ID __________________________________________________________ > > Home phone __________________________________________________________ > > Work phone __________________________________________________________ > > Mobile __________________________________________________________ > > FAX __________________________________________________________ > > Base airfield __________________________________________________________ > What radius of cover can you give from your base (miles/kilometres) > > By air __________________________________________________________ > > By road __________________________________________________________ > List additional airfields inside your area (up to 6) Give co-ordinates > if you can: > > Do you have a trailer available: yes / no > > If yes, what type is it: mono / tri / general-purpose flatbed > > Do you know a PFA inspector (or equivalent in your jurisdiction) who could > sign off any repairs made: yes / no > > Name __________________________________________________________ > > Can you offer bed(s) for an overnight stop: yes / no > > Do you have workshop facilities available: yes / no > > Do you have any spares or equipment that you can loan out: yes / no > If yes please list: > > Can you help with language translation: yes / no > If yes, what languages: > > Any other service you can offer: > > Please return this completed form to the following address: > > Rowland Carson > Europa Club Membership Secretary > 4 Saville Close > CHELTENHAM > Gloucestershire > ENGLAND GL50 4NE > > ------------------------------ cut here ------------------------------ > > The Europa Club website has members-only areas , which are available > only to currently paid-up Europa Club members. To access these you > will need a User ID and a Password. You can choose both of these > yourself - make the Password in particular easy for you to remember > but hard for others to guess! > > The User ID can be up to 10 characters and can contain underscores, > hyphens or periods, but NO spaces. > > The Password should be at least 6 characters long and should contain > both letters and numbers, nothing else. > > For example, Fred Bloggs might choose the User ID "europafred" and > the Password "a1b2c3d4". > > To set up your password for use, you will need to go to > > > There is a full explanation of how to set up a password-protected > area, but you don't need to read all that unless you are interested > in what's going on behind the scenes. Go to the bottom of the page > and enter your chosen User ID and Password in the text box there, > then press the "Generate Password" button. A new page will appear > with confirmation of your User ID and Password, and also an encrypted > version. Fred Bloggs would see something like: > > europafred with Pass [a1b2c3d4] > europafred:BkKIXiVX08/Y6 > > Select the whole second line with the ENCRYPTED version (by clicking > and dragging across it) then copy (using the item "copy" from the > menu "edit"), and paste it (using the item "paste" from the menu > "edit") into an e-mail to me at my Membership Secretary address: > > > > including your full real name for identification. Do NOT e-mail your > Password in plain text at any time to anybody! So, for example, > Fred's e-mail would contain: > > europafred:BkKIXiVX08/Y6 > request members-only website access for Fred Bloggs > > Once you have done that and received confirmation that access has > been set up for you, you can forget about the encrypted version of > the password. Incidentally, the encryption is "one-way", so quite > safe to send by e-mail as there is no practical way of working out > the password from the encrypted version. > > To access the members-only parts of the Europa Club website, enter > your User ID and Password (the plain text, not the encrypted version) > when prompted. Most web browsers can be set to remember the User ID > and Password so you can connect in future without having to enter > them again. A partner whose name appears on your Europa Club > membership confirmation form may use the same User ID and Password. > Please do not reveal to anyone else your User ID and Password, nor > allow anyone else to access the Europa Club website under your > identity. > > I normally add User IDs and Passwords to the list of authorised users > in weekly batches, so please be patient - you will not be able to > enter the secure area until that's been done. > > ------------------------------ cut here ------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:23 AM PST US From: DJA727@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine mounts --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com In a message dated 2/13/2003 12:16:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > Have you had your prop dynamically balanced as this may be the cause of > your > vibration? > I think it is, however it "feels" like there is too much coming through > into the airframe for what little vibration there is. The standard mounts > feel as hard as a rubber mallet and the new ones are much softer. I figure > on doing both - the prop and the mounts. One problem is I have to fly to > another airport to get the prop balanced and I'd like to have more time on > the airplane before I do that and I would not like it to be exposed to this > vibration level more than I have to. I'll run it this morning and see how > it goes...... > The Europa pitot and static sources were originally mounted on the fin tip > and fuselage sides respectively. Both were moved to the wing due to errors > and variation between individual aircraft. The helical airflow due to the > prop makes the use of a fuselage static unpredictable. The factory had > tried > many setups before resorting to wing mounted static so probably best to > stay > with that. > Sounds like a plan to me. I eventually would like to try a Piper heated pitot static probe - maybe that will work even better. Thanks, Dave A227 Mini U2 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing Painting From: Roger Sheridan --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Sheridan I am also intrigued, would you care to elaborate Mike, does the wing tip require support? Cheers, Rog Sheridan > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" > > > Richard, > > I have just the item you need in my garage. If you are somewhere near > Scunthorpe, by all means come and get it. > > regards, > > Mike G-JULZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard" > To: "Europa Matronics Forum" > Subject: Europa-List: Wing Painting > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" >> >> February in the UK. How the hell can it be, when I haven't seen a single >> flying insect since last September that TWO mosquitoes got stuck in the > top >> coat of paint on my fuse this evening!!!! >> >> I ended up taking my engine off and constructing a 'spit' to help with the >> painting of the fuse. Worked a treat. >> >> Has anyone come up with a way of supporting the wings by the spars in a >> similar way which enables them to be turned over whilst being painted so >> that both sides can be done in one operation? >> >> Richard Iddon G-RIXS. (Can't wait 'til morning to go back in the workshop >> to look at my gleaming fuselage!!) >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:47 AM PST US From: Terry Seaver Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver Hi John, your e-mail made it onto the list this time. regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD Pleasanton, CA TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com > > Greetings all. > > In recent days I've been trying to join the Europa club, but the e-mails keep > coming back as undeliverable. If the club secretary is reading this forum, > please drop me an e-mail with info about how to join the club. > > Thanks! > > John Lawton > Dunlap, TN > A-245 > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:59 PM PST US From: DJA727@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Night and Day --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com For those interested, I have run the 914 engine with the O200 engine mounts installed. I had to make some adjustments to various clearance items in the cowl to allow for additional engine motion during start. All I can say is that the difference is remarkable. One thing I had not thought of was the reduction in the noise level. Vibration is way down and the noise level appears to be as well. I have no quantitative measurements, but the engine sounds almost turbine like in its smoothness. I look forward to having the prop balanced on top of this mount change. Dave A227 Mini U2