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1. 01:44 AM - Re: europa club members-only area (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:40 AM - Re: Night and Day (McFadyean)
3. 02:51 AM - Re: New builder (Alan Gilbert)
4. 03:32 AM - Re: Night and Day (McFadyean)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: Night and Day (Shaun Simpkins)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: Night and Day (Simon Smith)
7. 12:17 PM - Re: Night and Day (Jeremy Davey)
8. 12:50 PM - Gearbox inspection and overhaul (martinstevens)
9. 12:53 PM - 3d model Europa? (Richard)
10. 12:53 PM - Fuel sight guages (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
11. 01:18 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (Dean Wiegand)
12. 02:07 PM - Re: Fuel sight guages (Peter Zutrauen)
13. 02:09 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (Peter Zutrauen)
14. 02:18 PM - Re: Fuel sight guages (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
15. 02:21 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: Fuel sight guages (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
17. 03:22 PM - Re: Fuel sight guages (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
18. 03:51 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (Dean Wiegand)
19. 03:57 PM - Re: Fuel sight guages (R.C.Harrison)
20. 04:46 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (Peter Zutrauen)
21. 07:31 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (ScramIt@aol.com)
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| Subject: | europa club members-only area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Tony .
You misunderstood.... It's actually 500 hours per year over 5 years !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony S.
Krzyzewski
Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa club members-only area
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (480 hours building)
Gosh! Rowland, I see that you are only 20 hours away from finishing your
plane!
[For the newbies who are puzzled... the Europa was originally advertised
as a 500 hour build kit].
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I notice that the German CT has a softer mounted Rotax. What parts are they using?
As it appears they stole Europa's wing profile, perhaps we could borrow their mounting
detail.
Ditto Katana??
Duncan McF.
On Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:43 AM, Robert Berube [SMTP:bberube@tampabay.rr.com]
wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Some time ago when dealers ordered Rotax parts from the Rotax Distributor
> they would be supplied with 0-200 type mounts. I will check with the
> Distributor again to see if the have changed. The 0-200 rubber is slightly
> softer and does provide a smoother engine. Have installed several with no
> problems to date, but.....
>
> Bob Berube A166
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Night and Day
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Ron Parigoris
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> >
> > Hey DJA727
> >
> > On my speedwing monowheel, i plan on installing a 914, with CS.
> >
> > I spoke to Bill Lockwood, from Lockwood Aviation in FL for some time
> > bout the rotax motors.
> >
> > Any viabbarion kills the redrive. Unbalanced carbs, idle too slow and
> > "MOTORMOUNTS THAT ARE TOO SOFT!"
> >
> > I am not an expert. I never saw a 914 mount in my hand.
> >
> > But Bill is suppsedlly an expert and says that 0200 mounts are a bad
> > thing.
> >
> > He said use the provided mounts, idle 1800RPM min, sync carbs exact both
> > low speed and high and have prop dynamic balanced.
> >
> > Here is his exact quote:
> >
> > "Motors like to be mounted fairly rigid, he is not real thrilled with
> > continental 0-200 Lord mounts if they are softer"
> >
> > This is per a conversation 12-30-2002.
> >
> > I am only repeating what he said.
> >
> > Any other comments to the contrary?
> >
> > Ron Parigoris
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
do not archive
Hi Alan,
when you install the drive pins - the advice I have received is
not to follow the instructions - install one as per the instructions and
position the other with the tabs and stabilators fully installed on the
plane. Any minor misalignment error in the drive pins, which you will
surely get, will result in a misalignment in the tabs and you'll find it
very difficult to get them both level with the stabilators.Might save you a
little work at a later date.
Am I right in thinking that on this forum we are asked to include the words
do not archive for general chit chat and trivia so that the archive doesn't
get clogged up? To date, no one seems to be bothering and I just wonder if
it will make us just a little unpopular.
Just to introduce myself cos I've been lurking for two years - kit 497
monowheel - very slow progress - just starting on the wings
Alan Gilbert 497
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: New builder
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills"
<astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> John,
> Have recieved a glorified drawing from Steve Hager that answered my
> question. I have already taken the torque tube out and am in the process
of
> finishing the tailplanes out now. I am installing the tab control pins.
> Thanks for your reply
> Al Stills
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: New builder
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Amy Eckel <eckel1@comcast.net>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
> > To: <Europa-List@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: New builder
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills"
> > <astills785@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > My name is Al Stills from Phoenix, Ariz. I purchased Olaf Asmis's,
A095
> in
> > December 02, and am currently building. I'm just finishing up the
> tailplanes
> > and have a question I hope can be answered. Olaf sorta jumped ahead and
> > installed the torque tube into the fuselage and I now have to take it
out
> to
> > finish off the tailplanes. I can find no schematic on the torque
assembly
> > and am trying to take it out to finish off the tailplanes. My question
is,
> > is the torque tube assembly a 2 piece assembly the comes apart when the
> pins
> > and cotter pins are removed or is it permament once installed. Any help
> will
> > be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > Al Stills
> >
> > Hi Al,
> > I have a question. What step are you on? There may be a solution to
your
> > problem
> > that will allow you to leave the torque tube in place.
> > Regards,
> > John Eckel, A230
> > >
> > astills785@earthlink.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
WarpDrive ought to be able to give us a steer on the vibration
characteristics of their propellers. Unfortunately, when I last asked they
could not (I suspect they've never measured it).
Has anyone (e.g. Airmaster) got any data on the blade-flap frequencies of
the blades alone? These would be independent of any contribution from the
engine/gearbox. In any case there is an element of decoupling provided by
backlash in the gears and the 'dog clutch' so that the propeller is likely
to be the villain of the piece as far as harmonic vibrations go; the engine
is just the protagonist
.
I've noticed that a gust of wind into the back of the running Warp Drive
(on the ground, obviously) can set-off a vibration at about 2700 engine-rpm
Duncan McF.
(who is not happy with the Rotax gearbox, but the Agent thinks I'm just a
trouble maker!)
On Friday, February 14, 2003 4:23 PM, Peter Zutrauen
[SMTP:peterz@zutrasoft.com] wrote:
> I wonder what rpm ranges are the trouble points ("torsional peaks") for
the redrive with the airmaster prop, on the 914 with the softer mounts?
with the harder mounts?
>
> I wonder if anyone has done a tortional resonance/vibration analysis on
the combination... likely not I suspect. Is there a shop in the states
capable of doing such testing (like the Bob Harrison had done accross the
pond on the Jabiru 3300/MT combo)?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Night and Day |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
What's "the German CT"?
Shaun
----- Original Message -----
From: "McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Night and Day
> --> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I notice that the German CT has a softer mounted Rotax. What parts are
they using?
> As it appears they stole Europa's wing profile, perhaps we could borrow
their mounting detail.
> Ditto Katana??
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:43 AM, Robert Berube
[SMTP:bberube@tampabay.rr.com] wrote:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> > Some time ago when dealers ordered Rotax parts from the Rotax
Distributor
> > they would be supplied with 0-200 type mounts. I will check with the
> > Distributor again to see if the have changed. The 0-200 rubber is
slightly
> > softer and does provide a smoother engine. Have installed several with
no
> > problems to date, but.....
> >
> > Bob Berube A166
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Night and Day
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Ron Parigoris
> > <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > >
> > > Hey DJA727
> > >
> > > On my speedwing monowheel, i plan on installing a 914, with CS.
> > >
> > > I spoke to Bill Lockwood, from Lockwood Aviation in FL for some time
> > > bout the rotax motors.
> > >
> > > Any viabbarion kills the redrive. Unbalanced carbs, idle too slow and
> > > "MOTORMOUNTS THAT ARE TOO SOFT!"
> > >
> > > I am not an expert. I never saw a 914 mount in my hand.
> > >
> > > But Bill is suppsedlly an expert and says that 0200 mounts are a bad
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > He said use the provided mounts, idle 1800RPM min, sync carbs exact
both
> > > low speed and high and have prop dynamic balanced.
> > >
> > > Here is his exact quote:
> > >
> > > "Motors like to be mounted fairly rigid, he is not real thrilled with
> > > continental 0-200 Lord mounts if they are softer"
> > >
> > > This is per a conversation 12-30-2002.
> > >
> > > I am only repeating what he said.
> > >
> > > Any other comments to the contrary?
> > >
> > > Ron Parigoris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@tiscali.co.uk>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shaun
Simpkins
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Night and Day
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
What's "the German CT"?
Shaun
Could be this?
http://www.mamut.com/homepages/Sweden/1/4/ultralight/subdet7.htm
Simon
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
I suspect so - made by Flight Dynamics in the Ukraine. Sold in the UK by
Pegasus Aviation as a microlight.
It's a wonderful little aeroplane - incredibly easy and fun to fly, with the
most benign stall I've ever experienced in my short flying career, but a
cruise of about 120kts. It's so easy to fly at very low speeds that the
easiest way to taxi it over a rough strip turned out to be a slow flight at
about 2 feet above the ground :-)
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Night and Day
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@tiscali.co.uk>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shaun
Simpkins
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Night and Day
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
What's "the German CT"?
Shaun
Could be this?
http://www.mamut.com/homepages/Sweden/1/4/ultralight/subdet7.htm
Simon
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| Subject: | Gearbox inspection and overhaul |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "martinstevens" <martinstevens@tinyworld.co.uk>
GBXCH is a monowheel classic with 912 warp drive prop - 500hrs.
Over the last few months I have been experiencing vibration, which I suspect is
gearbox orientated.
Can anyone give me some idea as to what the cost is for a overhaul from sky drive.
Has anyone else experienced these symptoms
regards
Martin.
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| Subject: | 3d model Europa? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
My son, who has done quite a bit of 3d modelling, is working on the graphics
for my tri gear and wondered if anyone has created a computer 3d model of a
Europa which he could download? ( for a flight sim programme perhaps?).
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Fuel sight guages |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all.
I've been pondering whether or not to use a fuel sight guage, using a
mechanical guage mounted in the top of the tank instead. And whether to just
forego the guage altogether and use a fuel flow computer/sight guage combo.
The time has come to make a decision and I'd like to solicit comments if you
have any.
Here's the problem. The mechanical guage I have (Tempo Products marine type)
would mount in the top of the tank on the left side. I can't seem to come up
with a way to make this mechanical guage work with a "clean" transition
between the tank top and the cockpit module top because of the way the tank
mounts to the cockpit module and the way these type guages mount into the top
of the tank. I've seen a couple capacitance types that have been mounted
inside the headrest area and into the tank, and a couple mounted in the area
between the head rests, closer to the left side headrest. A mechanical or
capacitance guage also means more holes (6 in this case) in the tank
resulting in more places to develop a leak and hard to get to if they ever do
start leaking. Add to that the hole in the top of the cockpit module needed
to access the guage (compromising the structural integrity of the cockpit
module? Not a problem though if mounted under the headrest since the hole
would be in the plywood floor of the headrest, but hard to get to) and it
just doesn't seem worth doing.
I don't like where Europa suggests putting the sight guage (left hand side
of the center tunnel). It seems like you'd kick it every time you get in and
out of the airplane. My thoughts at this point are to forget the mechanical
guage, install the sight guage in the right rear corner of the baggage hold,
where it would be visible before loading baggage, and use an electronic,
programmable fuel flow computer (such as Vision Microsystems VM1000). It
seems to me this significantly shortens the amount of fuel/vent line run
around the cockpit, significantly shortens the sight guage vent line length
and satisfies the FAA requirement for a sight guage on board. The only real
problem here is cost, but when you add up what all this little gizmo does
it's not all that out of bounds.
Comments? Suggestions?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
John,
at this point in time (not building - waiting on parts-
just thinking) I am planning on a sight gauge between
the seat backs so I could easily check it against my
panel (I am going with the EFIS/One and a capacitance
probe) and also if my panel goes out completely.
I am leaning toward the "bead in a bubble" from
Atkinson ( http://home.attbi.com/~nostromo56/ ) but
would have to make sure I could mount it for proper
levels.
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all.
I've been pondering whether or not to use a fuel sight
guage, using a
mechanical guage mounted in the top of the tank
instead. And whether to just
forego the guage altogether and use a fuel flow
computer/sight guage combo.
The time has come to make a decision and I'd like to
solicit comments if you
have any.
Here's the problem. The mechanical guage I have (Tempo
Products marine type)
would mount in the top of the tank on the left side. I
can't seem to come up
with a way to make this mechanical guage work with a
"clean" transition
between the tank top and the cockpit module top because
of the way the tank
mounts to the cockpit module and the way these type
guages mount into the top
of the tank. I've seen a couple capacitance types that
have been mounted
inside the headrest area and into the tank, and a
couple mounted in the area
between the head rests, closer to the left side
headrest. A mechanical or
capacitance guage also means more holes (6 in this
case) in the tank
resulting in more places to develop a leak and hard to
get to if they ever do
start leaking. Add to that the hole in the top of the
cockpit module needed
to access the guage (compromising the structural
integrity of the cockpit
module? Not a problem though if mounted under the
headrest since the hole
would be in the plywood floor of the headrest, but hard
to get to) and it
just doesn't seem worth doing.
I don't like where Europa suggests putting the sight
guage (left hand side
of the center tunnel). It seems like you'd kick it
every time you get in and
out of the airplane. My thoughts at this point are to
forget the mechanical
guage, install the sight guage in the right rear corner
of the baggage hold,
where it would be visible before loading baggage, and
use an electronic,
programmable fuel flow computer (such as Vision
Microsystems VM1000). It
seems to me this significantly shortens the amount of
fuel/vent line run
around the cockpit, significantly shortens the sight
guage vent line length
and satisfies the FAA requirement for a sight guage on
board. The only real
problem here is cost, but when you add up what all this
little gizmo does
it's not all that out of bounds.
Comments? Suggestions?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Fuel sight guages |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
I was toying with the idea of making a fuel gauge consisting of an
aluminum tube, with a magnetic float in it which would trip some
magnetic micro-switches at various heights along the outside of the tube
wired with some circuitry to provide a stepped resistance or voltage
output. (like the one from http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown but
inside-out).
I would plumb the bottom of the tube to the tank outlet, place the tube
behind the headrests in the baggage bay, and vent the top of the tube to
the filler vent.
No additional holes in the tank, short tubing runs, relatively
lightweight and easily serviceable.
Any thoughts?
Alternatively there is also the very neat concept of measuring the
weight of the fuel using a pressure transducer as designed by Tony -
see: http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/ or search the old email postings with
Andrew's great web-page
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan/europa_forum.html
Cheers,
Pete
A239
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Sounds like what Steve D. has done - see:
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/EuropaSite/Bubble%20Fuel%20Gauge/Bubbl
e%20Fuel%20Gauge.html
Cheers,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Wiegand [mailto:dwiegand@surewest.net]
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand"
<dwiegand@surewest.net>
John,
at this point in time (not building - waiting on parts-
just thinking) I am planning on a sight gauge between
the seat backs so I could easily check it against my
panel (I am going with the EFIS/One and a capacitance
probe) and also if my panel goes out completely.
I am leaning toward the "bead in a bubble" from
Atkinson ( http://home.attbi.com/~nostromo56/ ) but
would have to make sure I could mount it for proper
levels.
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all.
I've been pondering whether or not to use a fuel sight
guage, using a
mechanical guage mounted in the top of the tank
instead. And whether to just
forego the guage altogether and use a fuel flow
computer/sight guage combo.
The time has come to make a decision and I'd like to
solicit comments if you
have any.
Here's the problem. The mechanical guage I have (Tempo
Products marine type)
would mount in the top of the tank on the left side. I
can't seem to come up
with a way to make this mechanical guage work with a
"clean" transition
between the tank top and the cockpit module top because
of the way the tank
mounts to the cockpit module and the way these type
guages mount into the top
of the tank. I've seen a couple capacitance types that
have been mounted
inside the headrest area and into the tank, and a
couple mounted in the area
between the head rests, closer to the left side
headrest. A mechanical or
capacitance guage also means more holes (6 in this
case) in the tank
resulting in more places to develop a leak and hard to
get to if they ever do
start leaking. Add to that the hole in the top of the
cockpit module needed
to access the guage (compromising the structural
integrity of the cockpit
module? Not a problem though if mounted under the
headrest since the hole
would be in the plywood floor of the headrest, but hard
to get to) and it
just doesn't seem worth doing.
I don't like where Europa suggests putting the sight
guage (left hand side
of the center tunnel). It seems like you'd kick it
every time you get in and
out of the airplane. My thoughts at this point are to
forget the mechanical
guage, install the sight guage in the right rear corner
of the baggage hold,
where it would be visible before loading baggage, and
use an electronic,
programmable fuel flow computer (such as Vision
Microsystems VM1000). It
seems to me this significantly shortens the amount of
fuel/vent line run
around the cockpit, significantly shortens the sight
guage vent line length
and satisfies the FAA requirement for a sight guage on
board. The only real
problem here is cost, but when you add up what all this
little gizmo does
it's not all that out of bounds.
Comments? Suggestions?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> I was toying with the idea of making a fuel gauge consisting of an
aluminum tube, with a magnetic float in it which would trip some
magnetic micro-switches at various heights along the outside of the tube
wired with some circuitry to provide a stepped resistance or voltage
output. (like the one from http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown but
inside-out).
Or you can buy the touchdown one from Europa pre made and ready to
fit... It's called Mod 60 and costs GBP178.50. It's already calibrated
to the tank shape and has all the necessary bits to properly seal the
tank after fitting.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/16/2003 5:09:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
peterz@zutrasoft.com writes:
> Sounds like what Steve D. has done - see:
> http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/EuropaSite/Bubble%20Fuel%20Gauge/Bubbl
> e%20Fuel%20Gauge.html
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
>
Any idea how he gets the guage to read the contents of the tank below the
level of the bottom of the guage? I think these bead type guages have to be
even with the tank and the same length as the tank is high, just like a sight
tube, correct?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/16/2003 5:19:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tonyk@kaon.co.nz writes:
> Or you can buy the touchdown one from Europa pre made and ready to
> fit... It's called Mod 60 and costs GBP178.50. It's already calibrated
> to the tank shape and has all the necessary bits to properly seal the
> tank after fitting.
>
> Tony
>
Tony,
Is there a picture of the Europa Mod 60 guage available?
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight guages |
--> Europa-List message posted by: kbcarpenter@comcast.net
I ran mine up the front of the tank between the seats then across the top of
the tank to the fillerneck and on up to a vent on top of the fuselage beside
the tank vent. It is recommended to have a non mechanical and non
electrical way to verify that the tank is full or half full. Mine is useful
down to half full. I have a capacitance gauge also for finer reading.
Ken Carpenter
A123 N9XS
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Greetings all.
>
> I've been pondering whether or not to use a fuel sight guage, using a
> mechanical guage mounted in the top of the tank instead. And whether to
just
> forego the guage altogether and use a fuel flow computer/sight guage
combo.
> The time has come to make a decision and I'd like to solicit comments if
you
> have any.
>
> Here's the problem. The mechanical guage I have (Tempo Products marine
type)
> would mount in the top of the tank on the left side. I can't seem to come
up
> with a way to make this mechanical guage work with a "clean" transition
> between the tank top and the cockpit module top because of the way the
tank
> mounts to the cockpit module and the way these type guages mount into the
top
> of the tank. I've seen a couple capacitance types that have been mounted
> inside the headrest area and into the tank, and a couple mounted in the
area
> between the head rests, closer to the left side headrest. A mechanical or
> capacitance guage also means more holes (6 in this case) in the tank
> resulting in more places to develop a leak and hard to get to if they ever
do
> start leaking. Add to that the hole in the top of the cockpit module
needed
> to access the guage (compromising the structural integrity of the cockpit
> module? Not a problem though if mounted under the headrest since the hole
> would be in the plywood floor of the headrest, but hard to get to) and it
> just doesn't seem worth doing.
>
> I don't like where Europa suggests putting the sight guage (left hand
side
> of the center tunnel). It seems like you'd kick it every time you get in
and
> out of the airplane. My thoughts at this point are to forget the
mechanical
> guage, install the sight guage in the right rear corner of the baggage
hold,
> where it would be visible before loading baggage, and use an electronic,
> programmable fuel flow computer (such as Vision Microsystems VM1000). It
> seems to me this significantly shortens the amount of fuel/vent line run
> around the cockpit, significantly shortens the sight guage vent line
length
> and satisfies the FAA requirement for a sight guage on board. The only
real
> problem here is cost, but when you add up what all this little gizmo does
> it's not all that out of bounds.
>
> Comments? Suggestions?
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
That is what I was thinking too, so I took the ruler
and placed it around the seat back area, and the only
place I can come up with that would be low enough and
flat is on the passenger seatback at the corner where
it meets the tunnel - it could be on the pilot side,
but I think the passenger side would be easier to see.
P.S. Thanks for the link Pete, I wanted to see a
"live" example, but I want to keep as much elbow room
as possible.
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/16/2003 5:09:22 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
peterz@zutrasoft.com writes:
> Sounds like what Steve D. has done - see:
>
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/EuropaSite/Bubble%20F
uel%20Gauge/Bubbl
> e%20Fuel%20Gauge.html
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
>
Any idea how he gets the guage to read the contents of
the tank below the
level of the bottom of the guage? I think these bead
type guages have to be
even with the tank and the same length as the tank is
high, just like a sight
tube, correct?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! John.
I'm using a transducer type made and supplied by Tony K in New Zealand.
Works quite well once you have calibrated it with a computer commection. It
measures the pressure of the "head" of fuel and has a red LED display. Has
pipe connections by "tee" into original sight gauge pipe at the lowest
position and the dead side of the pressure sensor is vented to static air.
No tank invasion whatsoever.
My sight gauge is between the seats above the tunnel. OK stood alongside to
read but hopeless looking down at it from the P1 or Passenger positions.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all.
I've been pondering whether or not to use a fuel sight guage, using a
mechanical guage mounted in the top of the tank instead. And whether to just
forego the guage altogether and use a fuel flow computer/sight guage combo.
The time has come to make a decision and I'd like to solicit comments if you
have any.
Here's the problem. The mechanical guage I have (Tempo Products marine type)
would mount in the top of the tank on the left side. I can't seem to come up
with a way to make this mechanical guage work with a "clean" transition
between the tank top and the cockpit module top because of the way the tank
mounts to the cockpit module and the way these type guages mount into the
top
of the tank. I've seen a couple capacitance types that have been mounted
inside the headrest area and into the tank, and a couple mounted in the area
between the head rests, closer to the left side headrest. A mechanical or
capacitance guage also means more holes (6 in this case) in the tank
resulting in more places to develop a leak and hard to get to if they ever
do
start leaking. Add to that the hole in the top of the cockpit module needed
to access the guage (compromising the structural integrity of the cockpit
module? Not a problem though if mounted under the headrest since the hole
would be in the plywood floor of the headrest, but hard to get to) and it
just doesn't seem worth doing.
I don't like where Europa suggests putting the sight guage (left hand side
of the center tunnel). It seems like you'd kick it every time you get in and
out of the airplane. My thoughts at this point are to forget the mechanical
guage, install the sight guage in the right rear corner of the baggage hold,
where it would be visible before loading baggage, and use an electronic,
programmable fuel flow computer (such as Vision Microsystems VM1000). It
seems to me this significantly shortens the amount of fuel/vent line run
around the cockpit, significantly shortens the sight guage vent line length
and satisfies the FAA requirement for a sight guage on board. The only real
problem here is cost, but when you add up what all this little gizmo does
it's not all that out of bounds.
Comments? Suggestions?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
I'm not sure, but maybe the second site gauge Steve was putting in the
corner of the footwell takes care of the lower readings?
Cheers,
Pete
A239
Any idea how he gets the guage to read the contents of the tank below
the
level of the bottom of the guage? I think these bead type guages have to
be
even with the tank and the same length as the tank is high, just like a
sight
tube, correct?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Yes, I have the gauge mounted between the seats. It reads the level of the
fuel above the saddle. I also have two of the longer bubbles that I was
thinking of putting in the foot wells. They would be like the Europa tube
gauge, only good in level flight. I have them plumbed with 1/8 napa fuel
lines and vented with tygon. I had to drill them and add fittings, and you
will still need the flow restrictor at the tank outlet as per plans. I have
the LED lights for them also. I thought about putting them in the baggage
bay, but only seeing them at preflight, It was a toss up. The gauges are from
Vance ( http://home.attbi.com/%7Enostromo56/ )
I'm still not sure if I'm going to put one or both lower gauges in.........
I also have the capacitance probe from Europa in FL. I have it mounted to a
"bagel" in the left saddle.
P.S. You can glue your cockpit module in by yourself, I did it today in four
hours... Pictures to follow...
SteveD.
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Europa.html
> Any idea how he gets the guage to read the contents of the tank below the
> level of the bottom of the guage? I think these bead type guages have to be
> even with the tank and the same length as the tank is high, just like a
> sight
> tube, correct?
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
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