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1. 01:00 AM - Re: Gearbox inspection and overhaul (LTS)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Europa club members-only area (STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2)
3. 05:48 AM - Cruise speed. was:Europa club members-only area (Peter Zutrauen)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: Night and Day Rotax notes (Nigel Charles)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Cruise speed. (Ray M. Knapp)
6. 08:11 AM - Re: Cruise speed. (STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: Europa club members-only area (DJA727@aol.com)
8. 09:50 AM - Dynon EFIS 10 (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
9. 10:41 AM - Re:Cruise speed (KarkelB@aol.com)
10. 11:05 AM - Re: Cruise speed. (Rob Housman)
11. 11:24 AM - Re: Cruise speed. (DJA727@aol.com)
12. 11:58 AM - Re: Europa club members-only area (R.C.Harrison)
13. 12:07 PM - Re: TCP? (James H Nelson)
14. 12:13 PM - Re: Cruise speed. (Richard Holder)
15. 12:29 PM - Re: Cruise speed. (Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg)
16. 12:43 PM - Re: Cruise speed. (Shaun Simpkins)
17. 12:43 PM - Re: Cruise speed. (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
18. 12:56 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS 10 (Shaun Simpkins)
19. 01:08 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS 10 (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
20. 01:21 PM - Re: 3d model Europa? (McFadyean)
21. 05:05 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Europa Aircraft)
22. 06:34 PM - Cranked Control Column Orientation (Tony Renshaw)
23. 06:38 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (tom)
24. 06:39 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS 10 (Fergus Kyle)
25. 07:09 PM - Re: Cruise speed. (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Gearbox inspection and overhaul |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "LTS" <lts@avnet.co.uk>
have you checked your carb balance?
have you checked the slipper clutch friction?
I don't think either of these are expensive if done by Conrad (son of
SkyDrive) especially if you fly to their strip to have it done.
Jerry
Jerry@ban-bi.com
www.Ban-bi.com or www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
----- Original Message -----
From: "martinstevens" <martinstevens@tinyworld.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Gearbox inspection and overhaul
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "martinstevens"
<martinstevens@tinyworld.co.uk>
>
> GBXCH is a monowheel classic with 912 warp drive prop - 500hrs.
>
> Over the last few months I have been experiencing vibration, which I
suspect is gearbox orientated.
>
> Can anyone give me some idea as to what the cost is for a overhaul from
sky drive.
>
> Has anyone else experienced these symptoms
>
> regards
>
> Martin.
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa club members-only area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the Europa
is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a turbo
engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light build or
heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000 to anyone
who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at 75% power
and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000 feet.
Any takers?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
District Manager, Finance, AT&T Business Services
Phone: 813-878-3929 Fax: 813-878-5651
E-Mail: garrys@att.com
.....taking a "business as usual" approach to the way things are managed
at AT&T is not appropriate. D. Dorman 1/16/03
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Brown [mailto:acrojim@cfl.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa club members-only area
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Tony,
In line with the 500 hour build kit, they are now advertising on their
home
page CRUISE SPEEDS OVER 200 MPH......
I must have a sick engine!!!!!!
Jim Brown
"Tony S. Krzyzewski" wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
<tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> Gosh! Rowland, I see that you are only 20 hours away from finishing
your
> plane!
>
> [For the newbies who are puzzled... the Europa was originally
advertised
> as a 500 hour build kit].
>
> Tony
>
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| Subject: | Cruise speed. was:Europa club members-only area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
I wonder what Dennis V. is seeing out in California? Does anyone have the real
numbers?
Cheers,
Pete
A239
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the Europa
is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a turbo
engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light build or
heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000 to anyone
who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at 75% power
and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000 feet.
Any takers?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
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| Subject: | Re: Night and Day Rotax notes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
With info below in mind I would suggest that an external power connection is
a worthwhile mod.
Nigel Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Night and Day Rotax notes
> Nope again. The ignition coils need at least 300rpm+ before they'll
> induce enough current to trigger the electronic ignition. The engine
> uses a standard Ducati electronic ignition system with the trigger coils
> on the aft rotor plate.
>
> >> I am now curious if you can hand prop a 914?
>
> If you can then you'll have the strongest arm I've ever seen. I don't
> know of anyone who has or anyone who has even bothered.
>
> Tony
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ray M. Knapp" <rmkhomes@charter.net>
I recall reading results from the most recent Copperstate Flyin race,
showing Dennis Vories coming in 3rd with his 914 Turbo. (Kim Prout was
also in the race). I thought I recalled an average speed of 174 knots.
I can't seem to find the site where I read the posted results. Anyone
recall?
Ray Knapp (Kit 196, 914 - just getting started)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Zutrauen
Subject: Europa-List: Cruise speed. was:Europa club members-only area
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
--> <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
I wonder what Dennis V. is seeing out in California? Does anyone have
the real numbers?
Cheers,
Pete
A239
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2"
<garrys@att.com>
In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the
Europa
is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a
turbo
engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light
build or
heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000
to anyone
who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at
75% power
and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000
feet.
Any takers?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
It's unlikely that Dennis was "cruising" at 174 knots, if indeed that is
an accurate speed.
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ray M. Knapp" <rmkhomes@charter.net>
I recall reading results from the most recent Copperstate Flyin race,
showing Dennis Vories coming in 3rd with his 914 Turbo. (Kim Prout was
also in the race). I thought I recalled an average speed of 174 knots.
I can't seem to find the site where I read the posted results. Anyone
recall?
Ray Knapp (Kit 196, 914 - just getting started)
-----Original Message-----
I wonder what Dennis V. is seeing out in California? Does anyone have
the real numbers?
Cheers,
Pete
A239
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2"
<garrys@att.com>
In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the
Europa
is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a
turbo
engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light
build or
heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000
to anyone
who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at
75% power
and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000
feet.
Any takers?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa club members-only area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/17/2003 5:21:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, garrys@att.com
writes:
> In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the Europa
> is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a turbo
> engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light build or
> heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000 to anyone
> who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at 75% power
> and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000 feet.
>
The following is opinion - read at your own risk!!!
If you can indicate 130 knots in a 914 powered airplane, you will be able to
indicate 130 knots at ...say.. 17,000 feet. That is because the power will
still be available at 17,000 due to the turbo charger. True airspeed
increases by approximately 2% per thousand, which makes the true airspeed at
17,000 34% higher than indicated. 130 X 1.32 = 174 knots. 174 knots is (174 X
1.15) 200 MPH. Airliner cruising in the 30's are flying at true airspeeds
around 450 knots, while indicating around 250 knots. There is a huge
difference in speed when comparing a turbo charged aircraft to a non turbo
aircraft - but only at high altitude. As the non turbo aircraft climbs, the
power available drops. The turbo charger makes up for some of this power
drop. On my aircraft with the long wings, I should be able to see about 23
inches at 26,000 feet (estimate). At that altitude, the true airspeed would
be nothing short of spectacular. (of course I won't be going that high very
often!) That is the difference. I think that people with tri gear aircraft
and with no drag reduction and at various finish weights want to believe
there is no difference, but there is. The old adage applies - you don't get
something for nothing. The laws of physics are at work here!
That is just my opinion of course.
Dave A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
For those outside of the USA who have been considering an EFIS-10 from
Dynon. I read through the manual last night and noticed one glaring
ommission - the ability to set barometric pressure in millibars. I
immediately sent an email off to them and got this reply this morning
....
"We will not have the barometric setting in millibars upon the release
of the
EFIS-D10. I have added this to the list of features that needed to be
added
to the EFIS-D10 in the future.
Sorry for any inconvenience that this may cause you, and thank you for
your
continued interest."
Ooooops. Forgot that the rest of the world exists!
Regards
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
.. Dennis Vories average speed 167.20 knots, finished third behind a variez
Karim.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Dennis reports that his 900 lb (that's not a typo) XS Monowheel climbs
(solo) at 1700 fpm and cruses at 100% power, 18,000 MSL at 220 MPH. At 75%
power cruise speed is 185 MPH. See
http://www.europa-usa.com/enhancements.htm for more details.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of STOUT, GARRY V,
CSFF2
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cruise speed.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
It's unlikely that Dennis was "cruising" at 174 knots, if indeed that is
an accurate speed.
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ray M. Knapp" <rmkhomes@charter.net>
I recall reading results from the most recent Copperstate Flyin race,
showing Dennis Vories coming in 3rd with his 914 Turbo. (Kim Prout was
also in the race). I thought I recalled an average speed of 174 knots.
I can't seem to find the site where I read the posted results. Anyone
recall?
Ray Knapp (Kit 196, 914 - just getting started)
-----Original Message-----
I wonder what Dennis V. is seeing out in California? Does anyone have
the real numbers?
Cheers,
Pete
A239
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2"
<garrys@att.com>
In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the
Europa
is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a
turbo
engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light
build or
heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000
to anyone
who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at
75% power
and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000
feet.
Any takers?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise speed. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/17/2003 11:06:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
RobH@hyperion-ef.com writes:
> Dennis reports that his 900 lb (that's not a typo) XS Monowheel climbs
> (solo) at 1700 fpm and cruses at 100% power, 18,000 MSL at 220 MPH. At 75%
> power cruise speed is 185 MPH. See
>
From what I see on the long wing, this is possible, He has an intercooler
also (as well as O200 mounts!!). I am seeing over 1500 fpm climb at 5,000
msl and I am not using full power - I am using33 inches MP vs take off
maximum of 39 inches. Since excess thrust horse power is proportional to
climb performance, a conservative way o estimate the increased climb using
full power would be 39/33 X 1500 = 1,775 fpm. Of course, the improvement
would be better since some of that 33 inches are used for maintaining level
flight and are not a part o the excess thrust available for climb.
eventually, I will get the power up there and see what I get!
Dave A227
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| Subject: | Europa club members-only area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Dave.
Bingo! see the attached picture at 12,000ft over the Alps with about 18"
Manifold Pressure just holding 50ft per minute climb with no more than 70kts
on the ASI and NO TURBO!(No place to be in a down draught!)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DJA727@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa club members-only area
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/17/2003 5:21:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
garrys@att.com
writes:
> In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the Europa
> is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a turbo
> engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light build or
> heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000 to anyone
> who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at 75% power
> and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000 feet.
>
The following is opinion - read at your own risk!!!
If you can indicate 130 knots in a 914 powered airplane, you will be able to
indicate 130 knots at ...say.. 17,000 feet. That is because the power will
still be available at 17,000 due to the turbo charger. True airspeed
increases by approximately 2% per thousand, which makes the true airspeed at
17,000 34% higher than indicated. 130 X 1.32 = 174 knots. 174 knots is (174
X
1.15) 200 MPH. Airliner cruising in the 30's are flying at true airspeeds
around 450 knots, while indicating around 250 knots. There is a huge
difference in speed when comparing a turbo charged aircraft to a non turbo
aircraft - but only at high altitude. As the non turbo aircraft climbs, the
power available drops. The turbo charger makes up for some of this power
drop. On my aircraft with the long wings, I should be able to see about 23
inches at 26,000 feet (estimate). At that altitude, the true airspeed would
be nothing short of spectacular. (of course I won't be going that high very
often!) That is the difference. I think that people with tri gear aircraft
and with no drag reduction and at various finish weights want to believe
there is no difference, but there is. The old adage applies - you don't get
something for nothing. The laws of physics are at work here!
That is just my opinion of course.
Dave A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Ken,
TCP is now getting back into manufacturing. They changed mfg.
locations and had EPA problems but now solved, and laboratory testing at
a new co. which is now finishing their first batch of about 220 gal.
They (Alcor) say they have a back order of approx 1000 gal and should
have that taken care of in approx. three months. So thoes who want TCP
should be able to get it soon. This is from the Alcor people which I
just called.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
(Looking forward to my batch)
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise speed. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
In England the Vne (never exceed speed) for the Europa is 165 knots. How
come anyone is suggesting trying to go faster. It would be outside the
approved envelope.
Maybe the same people who were willing to load one up to 1440 lbs when the
max weight is 1370 :-(
And at 17000 feet you will need oxygen !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, (Kit 51) awaiting permit to test.
>
> It's unlikely that Dennis was "cruising" at 174 knots, if indeed that is
> an accurate speed.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2"
> <garrys@att.com>
>
> In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the
> Europa
> is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a
> turbo
> engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light
> build or
> heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000
> to anyone
> who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at
> 75% power
> and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000
> feet.
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise speed. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Richard Holder wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>In England the Vne (never exceed speed) for the Europa is 165 knots. How
>come anyone is suggesting trying to go faster. It would be outside the
>approved envelope.
>
That'll be down to the difference in indicated and true airspeed, not
reckless cowboys busting the limits :-)
Alex, kit 529
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise speed. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
VNE is indicated; true airspeeds are what are being quoted.
Denis Vories isn't going any faster than 150kts indicated.
And, he has an oxygen system. For flying fast between San Diego
and Seattle every other week.
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cruise speed.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> In England the Vne (never exceed speed) for the Europa is 165 knots. How
> come anyone is suggesting trying to go faster. It would be outside the
> approved envelope.
>
> Maybe the same people who were willing to load one up to 1440 lbs when the
> max weight is 1370 :-(
>
> And at 17000 feet you will need oxygen !
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, (Kit 51) awaiting permit to test.
>
> >
> > It's unlikely that Dennis was "cruising" at 174 knots, if indeed that is
> > an accurate speed.
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2"
> > <garrys@att.com>
> >
> > In cruise configuration at 75% power, at sea level altitude the
> > Europa
> > is a 130-135 knot airplane. Doesn't matter whether you have a
> > turbo
> > engine, a CS prop, Trigear or mono, speed kit or not, light
> > build or
> > heavy...........that's it! I have a standing wager for $1,000
> > to anyone
> > who can show me 200 mph ground speed over a two way course at
> > 75% power
> > and at altitudes not requiring IFR clearance, I.E. below 18,000
> > feet.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> In England the Vne (never exceed speed) for the Europa is 165 knots.
How come anyone is suggesting trying to go faster. It would be outside
the approved envelope.
The 165 knots Vne is IAS.
The Europa brochure quotes max cruise as 174 knots _TAS_ at 10000 feet
for the 914 which is a big difference from 174 knots _IAS_ at 10000
feet!
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS 10 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
OOOPS...
I have to admit, though, I like Dynon's approach to product introduction.
They delayed product introduction for a year ( and refused deposits ) until
they could solve some problems with the gyro erection system that arose
in alpha testing. They designed their own strapdown magnetometer to meet
the cost targets for the instrument because off-the-shelf technology for it
cost
$800. And they defined a single, simple product and focused on getting it
out.
BMA was first out with a more sophisticated "product", but they've had a
very public lesson in why you don't do your R&D with paying customers,
nor without a functioning business management in place first. In fairness,
they've
responded to every complaint that's been brought up, and now EFIS-1 is
shaping up to be an impressive system.
It would be very interesting if the Lancair folks held a face-off between
the
Dynon and BMA PFDs.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this...
Shaun
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Europa-List: Dynon EFIS 10
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
> For those outside of the USA who have been considering an EFIS-10 from
> Dynon. I read through the manual last night and noticed one glaring
> ommission - the ability to set barometric pressure in millibars. I
> immediately sent an email off to them and got this reply this morning
> ....
>
> "We will not have the barometric setting in millibars upon the release
> of the
> EFIS-D10. I have added this to the list of features that needed to be
> added
> to the EFIS-D10 in the future.
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience that this may cause you, and thank you for
> your
> continued interest."
>
> Ooooops. Forgot that the rest of the world exists!
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> I have to admit, though, I like Dynon's approach to product
introduction.
So do I. I was ready to put up my money on March 3rd and rebuild my main
panel until I discovered that they don't have a millibar setting.
Dammit!
Tony
..... And we wouldn't flame you, slow roast maybe but not flame :-)
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| Subject: | 3d model Europa? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Glad to see that you're on your way to not making a mistake often seen on
Europas; i.e. two-dimensional computer graphics applied to a 3-D surface
and resulting in an effect not planned for!
An alternative is to "stretch" the 2-D model to allow for the extra lengths
accounted for by the third dimension.
Duncan Mcf.
On Sunday, February 16, 2003 8:54 PM, Richard [SMTP:riddon@btinternet.com]
wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> My son, who has done quite a bit of 3d modelling, is working on the
graphics
> for my tri gear and wondered if anyone has created a computer 3d model of
a
> Europa which he could download? ( for a flight sim programme perhaps?).
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
Mod 60, as well as all other recent Mod's and Service bulletins can be found
at the builder support page on Europa Aircraft's web site
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Builder%20Support/newsupport.htm
Hope that helps!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/16/2003 5:19:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tonyk@kaon.co.nz writes:
> Or you can buy the touchdown one from Europa pre made and ready to
> fit... It's called Mod 60 and costs GBP178.50. It's already calibrated
> to the tank shape and has all the necessary bits to properly seal the
> tank after fitting.
>
> Tony
>
Tony,
Is there a picture of the Europa Mod 60 guage available?
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Cranked Control Column Orientation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
'Well I would have thought this to be an easy thing to figure out. I should
first let on that only after I have masked and painted, abraded and fitted
the spacers (with a gentle tap or two from a hefty mallet for an
interference fit ), I now read on the Europa Web Site that you put the
stick with the shorter of the 2 straight sections down. Bugger. I would
never have thought this, and I enquired of others who have built and are
flying, well one person anyway, and he attempted to check, but restricted
by control boots, lack of measure onhand etc. concluded to put the long
length down as it provides the maximum clearance for stick back from seats
etc. This seemed pretty logical to me too. Logic defied it seems. So,
before I undo my work, does it really matter, and if so, why??? Standing by
please.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney, Australia.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" <beecho@fix.net>
John
Did you get the post that I was shorted some fuel hose for the long tank? I
need another 16 inches.
About moods: What about the outrigger mod?
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory
mod
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Mod 60, as well as all other recent Mod's and Service bulletins can be
found
> at the builder support page on Europa Aircraft's web site
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Builder%20Support/newsupport.htm
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> John Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/16/2003 5:19:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tonyk@kaon.co.nz writes:
>
> > Or you can buy the touchdown one from Europa pre made and ready to
> > fit... It's called Mod 60 and costs GBP178.50. It's already calibrated
> > to the tank shape and has all the necessary bits to properly seal the
> > tank after fitting.
> >
> > Tony
> >
>
> Tony,
>
> Is there a picture of the Europa Mod 60 guage available?
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS 10 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Europa-List: Dynon EFIS 10
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
> For those outside of the USA who have been considering an EFIS-10
from
> Dynon. I read through the manual last night and noticed one glaring
> ommission - the ability to set barometric pressure in millibars. I
> immediately sent an email off to them and got this reply this morning
> ....>
> "We will not have the barometric setting in millibars upon the release> of
the
> EFIS-D10. I have added this to the list of features that needed to be>
added
> to the EFIS-D10 in the future.>
> Sorry for any inconvenience that this may cause you, and thank you for>
your
> continued interest.">
> Ooooops. Forgot that the rest of the world exists!> Regards> Tony
Tony,
Quite. The rest of the world does matter - even if you aren't a
part of it...
However, it was ever thus. It was a matter of routine for every supply pilot
to carry
a table of equivalent pressure data, since half the WW II aircraft carried
milli-
things and half inches. We must be thankful they dropped mm Hg and freizes.
Just another small planet omission.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise speed. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rholder@avnet.co.uk writes:
> In England the Vne (never exceed speed) for the Europa is 165 knots. How
> come anyone is suggesting trying to go faster. It would be outside the
> approved envelope.
>
> Maybe the same people who were willing to load one up to 1440 lbs when the
> max weight is 1370 :-(
>
There is a very important concept that seems to be missed at this point.
Cruise speed is true airspeed Same smash (indicated airspeed), but faster
over the ground due to thinner air.
Vne is indicated airspeed - what you see on the airspeed indicator. It you
indicate 165 at 17, 000 feet, your true airspeed would be 254 mph!!! Vne does
not change with altitude until you start getting into mach effects.
Dave
A227
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