---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/18/03: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:47 AM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Nigel Charles) 2. 06:50 AM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Fergus Kyle) 3. 07:27 AM - Re: Cranked Control Column Orientation (John & Paddy Wigney) 4. 07:40 AM - Re: Cranked Control Column Orientation (Davidghillam@aol.com) 5. 10:48 AM - Re: Fuel sight guages (Paul Stewart) 6. 11:04 AM - Trailers (tom) 7. 11:23 AM - Re: Fuel sight guages (KarkelB@aol.com) 8. 11:35 AM - The Dreaded Petrol(Gas) smell. (Michael Parkin) 9. 12:44 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (James H Nelson) 10. 12:44 PM - Re: Cranked Control Column Orientation (James H Nelson) 11. 02:14 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS 10 (Paul Mansfield) 12. 03:29 PM - Aileron Pushrods in a Classic Wing (Tony Renshaw) 13. 04:51 PM - Re: Trailers (Kevin Klinefelter) 14. 08:09 PM - Trailer in US (RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)) 15. 08:20 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Fergus Kyle) 16. 08:31 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS 10 (Fergus Kyle) 17. 09:46 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Kingsley Hurst) 18. 10:18 PM - Re: Trailers (Dean Wiegand) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:44 AM PST US From: "Nigel Charles" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" The outrigger mod is a Europa Club mod. Having fitted it to my Europa as an individual mod (UK PFA approved) the PFA suggested that it was made more readily available. I have twice mentioned it to the factory because it needs the minimum of extra parts and they could stock it as a factory mod. They don't seem to be interested which is why it has become a club mod. Anyone wishing to make use of this mod has only to join the club and the details are then free. The club is there to support Europa owners so it is hardly a big expense to sign up when we spend thousands of 's/$'s on the aircraft in the first place. In the near future, as the stainless tube required for part of the mod is a little difficult to obtain, I am purchasing stock to make up kits of parts for those east of the Atlantic and I believe Fergus Kyle is helping out those of you on the west side. I will be placing an order for parts at the end of the month so anyone in Europe wishing to make use of this service should contact me by then to confirm their order. Nigel Charles Europa Club Mods Rep ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom" > About moods: What about the outrigger mod? > > Tom ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:28 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Nigel, I ordered the SS before acquiring the Club mod because there was difficulty here in getting on the memebers only section. When I found a minimum order pertained, I decided to make a bulk order and so have 4 feet of same and sent out the message. I presume you provide only the SS tubing (as I) but if you produce more, please let me know and will duplicate your method for ease of understanding. What I don't know is whether the colonists will want to pay for a 'foreign' membership! They are pretty paranoid right now, what with border people inspecting lipsticks etc. What was a whimsical faux pas is now a fullblown xenaphobia.... Best regards to you both, Ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Charles" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" > > The outrigger mod is a Europa Club mod. Having fitted it to my Europa as > an individual mod (UK PFA approved) the PFA suggested that it was made more > readily available. I have twice mentioned it to the factory because it needs > the minimum of extra parts and they could stock it as a factory mod. They > don't seem to be interested which is why it has become a club mod. Anyone > wishing to make use of this mod has only to join the club and the details > are then free. The club is there to support Europa owners so it is hardly a > big expense to sign up when we spend thousands of 's/$'s on the aircraft in > the first place. In the near future, as the stainless tube required for part > of the mod is a little difficult to obtain, I am purchasing stock to make up > kits of parts for those east of the Atlantic and I believe Fergus Kyle is > helping out those of you on the west side. I will be placing an order for > parts at the end of the month so anyone in Europe wishing to make use of > this service should contact me by then to confirm their order. > > Nigel Charles > Europa Club Mods Rep > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tom" > To: > > About moods: What about the outrigger mod? > > > > Tom > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:49 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked Control Column Orientation --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney Hi Tony, My sticks are one piece bent tubes rather than the earlier welded version. I do not think that makes any difference. Anyway, my sticks are installed with the longer of the sections down. It works fine for me. However, do not make the mistake I made which was to install the sticks symmetrically with the axis of the crank parallel to the centerline. Later when I sat in the cockpit, I found that I had less travel to the left than to the right due to the stick hitting my left leg. I then had to rebolt the stick with an anti-clockwise twist of about 25 - 30 degrees to get equal travel. The passenger stick needs twist in the other direction of course. Cheers, John Mono XS, N262WF Tony Renshaw wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw > >Gidday, >'Well I would have thought this to be an easy thing to figure out. I should >first let on that only after I have masked and painted, abraded and fitted >the spacers (with a gentle tap or two from a hefty mallet for an >interference fit ), I now read on the Europa Web Site that you put the >stick with the shorter of the 2 straight sections down. Bugger. I would >never have thought this, and I enquired of others who have built and are >flying, well one person anyway, and he attempted to check, but restricted >by control boots, lack of measure onhand etc. concluded to put the long >length down as it provides the maximum clearance for stick back from seats >etc. This seemed pretty logical to me too. Logic defied it seems. So, >before I undo my work, does it really matter, and if so, why??? Standing by >please. >Reg >Tony Renshaw >Sydney, Australia. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:31 AM PST US From: Davidghillam@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked Control Column Orientation --> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com Hi, I fitted my column with the longer part down and also fitted one of those contoured wooden things on top with PTT button. Everything seemed OK ... until ... after fitting the control panel, I couldn't get 'full and free' at maximum forward/port extension (passenger side). I had to trim off some of the wood. Bear in mind though, that you get less movement on the stick when plane is fully rigged. David Hillam Classic Mono G-SHSH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:15 AM PST US From: "Paul Stewart" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Stewart" From what I remember of a previous discussion around fuel guages, there was talk of a PFA requirement to have 2 seperate methods of verifying tank contents. As part of modifying the fuel system to be aluminium tube and AN standard fittings throughout, I have tried to keep 'plastic' tubes of fuel and jubilee clips out of the cockpit. Indeed many of the sight guages I've seen at Cranfield appear to be so clouded as to be difficult to read. I have gone with the Avlec capacitance fuel guage which does require the installation of an aluminium plate in the tank top. This has conveniently given me a place to put a 1/2" BSP threaded hole and plug so that I can visually verify the tank contents and 'dip' it as per Cessna etc. as part of pre flight. Pics available if anyone wants. Regards Paul Stewart #432 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:12 AM PST US From: "tom" Subject: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" Does anyone have plans for either a monowheel trailer or a triwheel trailer that they are willing to share? It seems silly to ship a trailer part way around the world to the Western Colonies when one can be custom made here. Thank you Tom Friedland beecho@fix.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:25 AM PST US From: KarkelB@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight guages --> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com Hi Paul, can i have a pic please? Did you say you can 'dip' your fuel? Doesn't that leave a fuel smell in the cockpit? regards Karim. # 420 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:51 AM PST US From: "Michael Parkin" Subject: Europa-List: The Dreaded Petrol(Gas) smell. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" Has anyone had any problems with the intermittent smell of petrol in the cockpit. I think that this may be a MONOWHEEL and ROTAX 914 specific problem. My monowheel occassionally has a strong odour of fuel in the cockpit which occurs as far as I can figure on throttling back - at top of climb etc. I have moved the fuel and airbox drains further outboard which seemed to have some effect in reducing the problem. I have double checked all hoses for security and all seem fine. My wife, who can smell an illegal cigarette at 500 yds, can detect no specific area in the cockpit that smells of fuel. Is it possible that the carburettors are ejecting some fuel through the overflows which then gets swept into the wheel well and hence the cockpit. If so does any one have a cure!!! On another subject. The boost pressure details for the Rotax 914 are fairly specific for sea-level take-off performance, but information on boost limits at altitude are virtually non-existant. In a recent climb to FL100 my boost gauge reached 1.3 bar (sea level limit 1.37 bar) at which point I throttled back. What sort of boost pressure do you 'hi-fliers' see in normal operations? regards, Mike Parkin No 312 (G-JULZ) mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod From: James H Nelson --> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson Ferg, I am trying to get into the club website but I'm not there yet. Do you have a description of what this mod is? Do you have any pix of the change. I've got 28 hours on my mono-wheel and I would like to make the outrigger as trouble free as I can. Jim Nelson N15JN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked Control Column Orientation From: James H Nelson --> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson Tony, Sit in you seat and you may find that the shorted length needs to be on top. The offset needs to clear the seat and your lap. Then into your stomach!! Remember that the stick pivots way down and you are in the arc when moving the stick rearward. If the pivot was closer / under you , you could get by with a shorter stick. Jim Nelson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:14 PM PST US From: "Paul Mansfield" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dynon EFIS 10 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield" >>> don't have a millibar setting. Supposedly true story: London Heathrow Approach: "American Airlines 123, descend to 3,000 ft on QNH 1010 AA123: "AA123, can we have that in inches please?" LHR: "AA123, descend to 36,000 inches on 1010" Hmmmmm ;-) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:29 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Pushrods in a Classic Wing --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Hi, I am currently perplexed with the setting up of the wing bellcrank neutral position to match the spar one to ascertain the length of the spanwise pushrod and then ascertain the length of the aileron chordwise link rod. The wing embedded bellcrank has a long arm for the long tube, and a short one for the short tube. I can't easily find the neutral position of this bellcrank. I can easily find the stop though, as the short arm which is above and inboard of the pivot point or attachment of the bearing pushes the outboard edge of the long arm against the bolt stop. Is there an easy way to find neutral, bearing in mind I don't have a lot of room to get access, only that available through the normal access hole? Reg Tony Renshaw ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:56 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" Or several could be made here, probably for a lot less than $3500 each. I am in need also, Tom Kevin Klinefelter -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of tom Subject: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" Does anyone have plans for either a monowheel trailer or a triwheel trailer that they are willing to share? It seems silly to ship a trailer part way around the world to the Western Colonies when one can be custom made here. Thank you Tom Friedland beecho@fix.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:05 PM PST US From: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils) Subject: Europa-List: Trailer in US --> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils) I just had a ccustom trailer built for me in Spokane, Washington (NW US) for $2800. It is 24 feet long by 102 inches total width (widest legal in the US and Canada). My trigear MG fits onto the ramp without having to take off the whell pants. The trailer tilts to allow the Europa to be handwinched up a gentle incline then the tilt is release to give a flatbed floor. It is uncovered, dual axel and has an emergency brake system which activates if the trailer becomes detached and the safety chord is yanked. It pulls nicely behind my Jeep at 65 mph. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:21 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" James, Yes, it replaces the simple 1/4" pivot bolt with two concentric tubes with end washers which prevent the harder bolt from rotating and ballooning the alu holes. It is not a factory mod, but a development of a suggested fix from the Club Flyer magazine #16. Nigel Charles prewsented a variation on same to the Brit PFA who sanctioned it as an accepted mod (they sanctify just about everything over there. As a Canuck, I try to accede to my National standards AND FAA AND PFA. I cannot die! Ferg A064 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H Nelson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod > --> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson > > Ferg, > I am trying to get into the club website but I'm not there yet. > Do you have a description of what this mod is? Do you have any pix of > the change. I've got 28 hours on my mono-wheel and I would like to make > the outrigger as trouble free as I can. > > Jim Nelson > N15JN > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:52 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon EFIS 10 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Dynon EFIS 10 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield" > > >>> don't have a millibar setting.> > Supposedly true story:> > London Heathrow Approach: "American Airlines 123, descend to 3,000 ft on QNH> 1010 > > AA123: "AA123, can we have that in inches please?" > > LHR: "AA123, descend to 36,000 inches on 1010" Not really, Paul, Britannia Airways actually flew Bristol Britannias and had some fairly irregular schedules. One such brought a female First Officer on the air at 0530 asking to "cross Green One (the airway from Shannon to London) at 'level 45' (4500' on 29.92=1013.2mb)". London Airways replied, "Britannia XXX cross Green One between Reading and Woodley at level 45 on QNH 1013mb." She then transmitted as per the AA123 above. You can imagine the PanAm offering which instantly occurred. I know - I was nearby there in a TCA Connie............. Ferg A064 PS: I'll give up the real reply on personal request....... ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:34 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" >As a Canuck, I try to accede to my National standards AND FAA AND PFA. I cannot die! > Ferg A064 Sorry Ferg but you only think you have yourself covered. Don't you know that anything which has been proven to work for years in all other countries is subject to different laws of physics over here in Oz. Mate, I'd be very cautious about flying your machine if you haven't first satisfied our CASA's rules. Cheers Kingsley ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:10 PM PST US From: "Dean Wiegand" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" Are the trailer being discussed for mono- or tri-gear? If for mono, I would certainly participate in the "bulk order" (and associated price discounts that it brings). If we do have several interested parties, we could discuss features of the trailers and find a builder. If not, I may design my own and engineer in multi-purpose elements. Ralph Petersen, one of the West Coast sales reps is building his own, I will check with him about details but I think he is going with an enclosed set-up. Dean Wiegand Sacramento CA USA dwiegand@surewest.net kit A259 www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Klinefelter Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" Or several could be made here, probably for a lot less than $3500 each. I am in need also, Tom Kevin Klinefelter -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of tom Subject: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" Does anyone have plans for either a monowheel trailer or a triwheel trailer that they are willing to share? It seems silly to ship a trailer part way around the world to the Western Colonies when one can be custom made here. 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