Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:44 AM - Re: Trailers (Dean Wiegand)
2. 01:57 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (John Cliff)
3. 03:11 AM - Re: GPS Aerial (J. R. Jones)
4. 03:33 AM - Re: The Dreaded Petrol(Gas) smell. (Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg)
5. 04:43 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (KARL HEINDL)
6. 05:28 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (Tony Renshaw)
7. 06:56 AM - Re: Trailers (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: Trailers (Fergus Kyle)
9. 09:00 AM - Main gear installation sequence (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
10. 09:15 AM - Re: Trailers (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
11. 09:17 AM - Wing dolly (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
12. 09:36 AM - Re: Trailers (Dean Wiegand)
13. 09:37 AM - Re: Main gear installation sequence (Rob Housman)
14. 10:13 AM - intercoolers (Paul Boulet)
15. 10:15 AM - trailers (Paul Boulet)
16. 10:21 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (John Cliff)
17. 10:27 AM - Re: intercoolers (Rob Housman)
18. 11:22 AM - Re: Trailers (R.C.Harrison)
19. 11:33 AM - uk help sought for radio problems (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
20. 12:40 PM - Re: uk help sought for radio problems (Fergus Kyle)
21. 12:59 PM - Re: Trailers (Kevin Klinefelter)
22. 01:30 PM - Re: Intercooler (KarkelB@aol.com)
23. 01:38 PM - Re: Main gear installation sequence (Richard)
24. 02:48 PM - Re: Trailers (Roger Anderson)
25. 03:02 PM - Re: trailers (Roger Anderson)
26. 03:40 PM - Reply configuration (Roger Anderson)
27. 03:54 PM - Re: Reply configuration (Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg)
28. 04:24 PM - Re: Reply configuration (Rob Housman)
29. 05:46 PM - Re: Main gear installation sequence (Robert Berube)
30. 06:30 PM - Open House (Robert Berube)
31. 06:30 PM - Open House (Robert Berube)
32. 08:06 PM - Re: Trailers (R.K. Hallett III)
33. 08:42 PM - air brake push rod (R.K. Hallett III)
34. 08:55 PM - Re: air brake push rod (DJA727@aol.com)
35. 10:59 PM - Re: intercoolers (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?=)
36. 11:11 PM - Re: trailers (J R \(Bob\) Gowing)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
OK, with input and pictures from Kingsley and Gerry I
have posted notes and pictures of 2 trailers (not the
Europa factory units) on a web page for viewing and
comments.
Both trailers are from builders who are sill working on
their projects so the final fitting out of the trailers
may not have been completed but should provide a
platform for discussion.
Anyone interested:
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/trailer/
As I get more details an pictures, including the
factory supplied trailers, I will add them to the page
(upon being granted permission, of course).
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
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| Subject: | Re: Avalec on the Net??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> Gidday,
> Anyone know where I can find Avalec on the net?
Avelec are at http://www.bucks.net/avelec/ .
Detail sparse, but there is a contact email address.
John Cliff
#0259
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" <jronjones@lineone.net>
Richard,
I have mounted the antenna for my lllC GPS above the head-lining, between
the doors and it performs perfectly. The lead on the standard antenna is
long enough to run up the "A" post twixt screen and door!
Regards,
Ron Jones (XS No. 359. G-RJWX)
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| Subject: | Re: The Dreaded Petrol(Gas) smell. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Dave wrote:
>If it turns black from soot or something, that would only effect
>heating if it were exposed to light.
>
What about IR radiation?
Just wondering too...
Alex, kit 529
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| Subject: | Re: Avalec on the Net??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hi Tony,
I installed the Avelec, but I came to the conclusion that I made a big
mistake. It is very expensive, very time consuming to make the aluminum
pieces (or more expense to have them made). I then found that it had
a manufacturing fault as it had a slow leak where the tube enters the
plastic block on top. When changing fuel you are supposed to recalibrate,
this involves emptying the whole tank (so take some buckets with you when
you go on a long trip). I believe everybody
else is very happy with it.
Regards, Karl
>From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net???
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:18:06 +1100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>Anyone know where I can find Avalec on the net? I have tried the normal
>avenues like search engines to no avail. I am making a final comparison
>between the Lyndhurst magnetic float system and the Avalec, if I can
>reinvigorate my interest. It is a very last minute request as I am
>basically in the process of ordering the Lyndhurst. Any last minute pieces
>of advice on this topic would be much appreciated.
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>
>
http://messenger.msn.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Avalec on the Net??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Karl,
Thanks for your advice. I am more tempted to keep with the Lyndhurst one, sold
through Europa. It gives me a volumetric level indication, irrespective of
whether it is water or fuel.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Bad joke really, regarding the water.;-)
At 12:42 PM 2/20/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
>Hi Tony,
>
>I installed the Avelec, but I came to the conclusion that I made a big
>mistake. It is very expensive, very time consuming to make the aluminum
>pieces (or more expense to have them made). I then found that it had
>a manufacturing fault as it had a slow leak where the tube enters the
>plastic block on top. When changing fuel you are supposed to recalibrate,
>this involves emptying the whole tank (so take some buckets with you when
>you go on a long trip). I believe everybody
>else is very happy with it.
>
>Regards, Karl
>
>
>>From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net???
>>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:18:06 +1100
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
>><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>>
>>Gidday,
>>Anyone know where I can find Avalec on the net? I have tried the normal
>>avenues like search engines to no avail. I am making a final comparison
>>between the Lyndhurst magnetic float system and the Avalec, if I can
>>reinvigorate my interest. It is a very last minute request as I am
>>basically in the process of ordering the Lyndhurst. Any last minute pieces
>>of advice on this topic would be much appreciated.
>>Reg
>>Tony Renshaw
>>
>>
>
>
>http://messenger.msn.co.uk
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/19/2003 4:30:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> The supplied rubber wing support slings mark the paintwork and crack with
> age. I have replaced these with polypropylene straps of a similar width,
> covered leatherette cuffs (soft side out). These are better than the rubber
> straps but I would welcome suggestions for a better solution.
While I'm a long way from needing a trailer, I have been giving it some
thought. My plan is to use a commercially available covered trailer. (For
those on this side of the pond think Wells Cargo, Haulmark, Pace, etc.)
Drawing from sailplane trailer technology, I'm planning to fabricate two
"dollies" that will run in tracks along the outer side walls from the front
to the rear of the trailer. These dollies will be made out of 1" square steel
and will use roller blade wheels set in aluminum "C" channel mounted to the
floor. The spar tangs of the wings will pin into the the dolly, LE down, and
support one end of the wing. When de-rigged, the wings will easily roll into
the trailer and the opposite end of the wing will fit into a padded saddle
secured to the side wall and floor. Once the wings are in, the fuselage will
roll in between the wings and will secure to the floor with straps. Rigging
would be the opposite, rolling out the fuselage first, then each wing in
turn.
This sort of arrangement has been used on sailplane trailers for decades and
works very well. Sailplane guys who have trailers rigged like this generally
don't take more than 10 minutes to rig/de-rig. A tri-pod wing stand is used
to support the airplane when one wing is removed. The beauty of this type
trailer is they're commercially available, equipped with ramp type doors
hinged at the bottom, offer security from vandals and the weather and plenty
of storage for other goodies you might need (gas, oil, tools, etc). Only
minor modifications will be needed to make it work.
Comments?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
John,
You invited comments, so made it a net reply.....
I have a standard Europa open trailer, but am contemplating an
enclosed one eventually (4005). It occurred to me that with various mods
being suggested, that the enclosed trailer might incorporate a "saddle"
which rotates/swivels and captures each wingtip in turn. This facility might
permit singlehanded 'winging' and 'de-winging', being integral rather than
an extra device. Details foggy in future mists, but it's an
idea..............
ferg
A064
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 4:30:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk writes:
>
> > The supplied rubber wing support slings mark the paintwork and crack
with
> > age. I have replaced these with polypropylene straps of a similar width,
> > covered leatherette cuffs (soft side out). These are better than the
rubber
> > straps but I would welcome suggestions for a better solution.
>
>
> While I'm a long way from needing a trailer, I have been giving it some
> thought. My plan is to use a commercially available covered trailer. (For
> those on this side of the pond think Wells Cargo, Haulmark, Pace, etc.)
> Drawing from sailplane trailer technology, I'm planning to fabricate two
> "dollies" that will run in tracks along the outer side walls from the
front
> to the rear of the trailer. These dollies will be made out of 1" square
steel
> and will use roller blade wheels set in aluminum "C" channel mounted to
the
> floor. The spar tangs of the wings will pin into the the dolly, LE down,
and
> support one end of the wing. When de-rigged, the wings will easily roll
into
> the trailer and the opposite end of the wing will fit into a padded saddle
> secured to the side wall and floor. Once the wings are in, the fuselage
will
> roll in between the wings and will secure to the floor with straps.
Rigging
> would be the opposite, rolling out the fuselage first, then each wing in
> turn.
>
> This sort of arrangement has been used on sailplane trailers for decades
and
> works very well. Sailplane guys who have trailers rigged like this
generally
> don't take more than 10 minutes to rig/de-rig. A tri-pod wing stand is
used
> to support the airplane when one wing is removed. The beauty of this type
> trailer is they're commercially available, equipped with ramp type doors
> hinged at the bottom, offer security from vandals and the weather and
plenty
> of storage for other goodies you might need (gas, oil, tools, etc). Only
> minor modifications will be needed to make it work.
>
> Comments?
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Main gear installation sequence |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly
in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I
noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation takes
place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a
reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be
much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for
where all the work takes place.
Comments?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2003 11:54:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, VE3LVO@rac.ca
writes:
> I have a standard Europa open trailer, but am contemplating an
> enclosed one eventually (4005). It occurred to me that with various mods
> being suggested, that the enclosed trailer might incorporate a "saddle"
> which rotates/swivels and captures each wingtip in turn. This facility
> might
> permit singlehanded 'winging' and 'de-winging', being integral rather than
> an extra device. Details foggy in future mists, but it's an
> idea..............
> ferg
> A064
>
We had a guy come through our field (sailplane guy) last spring with a very
neat wing stand that captured the wing by the LE and TE, pivoted the wing
from the horizontal to the vertical, and had wheels on it so the wing could
be rolled over to the trailer. Instead of the "normal" tri-pod arrangement of
most sailplane wing stands, this one had two wheels and a leg that folded, in
addition to the "wing capture" device. This enabled the wing to be moved
around easily by one person. Basically, the stand captures the wing by the LE
and the TE in a padded clamping mechanism. The clamp was a simple threaded
rod with padded cups conforming the contour of the LE and TE welded to
brackets that slide up and down on the threaded rod. An oversized wing nut is
used to tighten the clamp holding the wing to the stand The folding leg is
then retracted and the wing is rotated into the vertical, LE down. This is
done with a single bolt as a pivot. The wing could then be wheeled over to
the trailer and pinned into the wing dolly in the trailer. The wheeled stand
is then removed and the wing is stowed in the trailer in the manner I
described in my last post.
This was the slickest way of single handing a wing I've ever seen. The guy
that had this was able to single hand a wing for a 2 place glass ship with
ease, easily twice the weight of a Europa wing. I think the stand is
commercially available. The Europa is so sailplane like in the way it sets up
it lends itself well to the gizmo's those guys already have figured out. I'll
see if I can dig up some more info, pic's. etc.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Here's a link to the wing dolly:
<A HREF="http://www.wingdolly.reach.net">http://www.wingdolly.reach.net
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
Roger Anderson made some suggestions pertaining to
one-person operations. Roger can you supply some
pictures of the spar socket, wing-tip trolley and other
items?
I too plan on one-person operation and would like to
hear/see solutions.
The only suggestion I would have (and was already
thinking of using) for the wing cradle straps, is some
real sheepskin covers for the straps (like a Morgan +4
bonnet stay) to provide cushion and buffing action if
jostled slightly. Should be able to find small amounts
of it for a reasonable cost.
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
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| Subject: | Main gear installation sequence |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Main gear installation is the most tedious and frustrating part of the
entire project - working inside the aft end of the tail cone is easy by
comparison. Although you are correct that it would be easier were the top
not in place, what really makes the job awkward is the elevation of the
fuselage above the floor, something dictated by the alignment scheme that
makes sure that the aircraft runs true on the ground, and the fact that you
must do all lf the "wet work" from outside the fuselage (climb inside and
you will alter the alignment unless you have a fantastically rigid jig
supporting the fuselage). That is the case whether the top is in place of
not.
Wheel alignment may not remain true (unchanged) after the top is bonded in
place, and that is a risk that I would not take, especially for little gain
in the ease of assembly.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly
in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I
noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation
takes
place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a
reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be
much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for
where all the work takes place.
Comments?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Hi all;
I'm in need of an intercooler for my turbo 914. Any suggestions out there? Thanks
Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Hi all;
This weekend I'll be going to look at a mono wheel trailer with a welder friend
of mine. Once the parts list is completed he'll be able to come up with pricing.
I expect him to start building the trailer next week.
If anyone is interested and wants a price email me off line and I'll hook you up-
by the way... I'm not going to make a dime off this... just helping a low priced,
unemployed welder get some work and of course get an inexpensive trailer
for me and others that want one. Trailers will be built in the San Fernando
Valley... suburb of Los Angeles.
Paul Boulet, A212
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| Subject: | Re: Avalec on the Net??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> When changing fuel you are supposed to recalibrate,
> this involves emptying the whole tank (so take some buckets with you when
> you go on a long trip).
Avelec says the dielectric constants of unleaded motor fuels vary with brand
(which seems plausible, and I don't suppose the brew for any given brand is
constant for all time, either).
So, IF you are looking for accuracy you should recalibrate any capacitance gauge
when changing fuel, not just the Avelec one - always presuming the one you
have is accurate in the oddly-shaped Europa tank and that it offers sufficient
resolution to show any difference.
In practice, I don't suppose it makes any noticeable difference. Anyone already
flying care to comment ?
The Avelec gauge is expensive, for sure, but it offers different features.
John Cliff
#0259
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
See Item 4 in the "Europa Enhancements" document posted by Dennis Vories at
http://www.europa-usa.com/enhancements.htm (but note the double asterisk
which refers to the second paragraph in the "Introduction" at the top of the
page).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: Europa-List: intercoolers
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Hi all;
I'm in need of an intercooler for my turbo 914. Any suggestions out there?
Thanks
Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! John.
I have a similar but sounds more simple type of wing trolly that you
describe and can rig my A/C on my own and with the aid of an electric winch
stow the fuselage in the covered trailer between the wings on my own too.
I've looked at the web page you recommended and the principle is the same
but my wing is completely surrounded by a carpet covered clamp which has a
pivot on the underside of the wing and the wheels can be dropped off with a
socket arrangement. The pivoting leg stays with the clamp and is therefore
stowed permanently on the port wing since it is the first to rig and last to
derig.( Only the wheels to stow separately)
If I had my time over, the position of the pivot would be nearer to the c of
g of the wing but it is useable as it is. If you need some dimensions let me
know. The trailer is to be seen on the photoshare pages.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Trike)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers
................wing is rotated into the vertical, LE down. This is
done with a single bolt as a pivot. The wing could then be wheeled over to
the trailer and pinned into the wing dolly in the trailer. The wheeled stand
is then removed and the wing is stowed in the trailer in the manner I
described in my last post.
This was the slickest way of single handing a wing I've ever seen. The guy
that had this was able to single hand a wing for a 2 place glass ship with
ease, easily twice the weight of a Europa wing. I think the stand is
commercially available. The Europa is so sailplane like in the way it sets
up
it lends itself well to the gizmo's those guys already have figured out.
I'll
see if I can dig up some more info, pic's. etc.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | uk help sought for radio problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Just had a note from a new Club member that he's having problems with
his VOR & transponder. He's not had the aeroplane flying long and
suspects it's an installation fault. He wonders if anyone can
recommend someone in the North of England who would be competent &
willing to look at it. Contact <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> if you
can offer suggestions, please.
regards
Rowland
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (490 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: uk help sought for radio problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Rowland et al,
With regard to radio problems, it is probable that 90% of tye
difficulties lie with the installation, as most commercial rigs are
basically faultless out of the factory. Most of this is unfortunately
builder-induced (as a statistic) - presuming the system parallels amateur
radio experience over the years......
I hesitate to repeat this offer for someone else's services, but
the AR group are most similar to ours - helpful, experienced and curious. If
UK hams are at all like our bunch, you will more than likely stumble across
a useful and curious ham at your local radio club - the address/contact
available through the RSGB, Radio Society of Great Britain. The
'pres.'/contact person will usually know a seasoned 'oldtimer' who will
offer to measure the variables in your antenna system for faults - the
greatest probability. Since ham services cannot be charged ('amateur' means
'non-commerce' but not unprofessional) his interest in your project and
satisfaction is his/her reward. Try it, you may like it.
Then if nothing untoward is found, you can empty your pockets
with the field rep..........
E&OE.....
Ferg A064
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland & Wilma Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Europa-List: uk help sought for radio problems
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson
<rowil@clara.net>
>
> Just had a note from a new Club member that he's having problems with
> his VOR & transponder. He's not had the aeroplane flying long and
> suspects it's an installation fault. He wonders if anyone can
> recommend someone in the North of England who would be competent &
> willing to look at it. Contact <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> if you
> can offer suggestions, please.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hey Ralph, Are you gonna park your long wing thing at home? Do you figure an
enclosed trailer is what you need, or would an open design work for you? The
long wings are gonna start flying soon and I am curious what their builders
are planning. The first, Dave Andersons, has a big hanger that it looks very
happy in. I will not have that as an option. Long wings won't fit in most
garages, so a glider trailer design will probably be popular. That will not
be cheap.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.K. Hallett III
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" <reddog@gbis.com>
Kevin,
A long way off, but me too.
Ralph
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
>Dean, I am talking Mono-wheel and am thinking of copying the Europa design.
>Those who have used one for a while may have some suggestions for design
>improvements. I would be happy with the simple, open trailer. I would like
>to borrow one for a week or so and get a design on paper. I have a friend
>who is a welder/fabricator.
> I am surprised that Europa FL doesn't make them. Seems like it would be
>more cost effective than building them in GB and shipping. There should be
a
>few to be sold over here.
>Kevin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dean Wiegand
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
>
>Are the trailer being discussed for mono- or tri-gear?
>
>If for mono, I would certainly participate in the "bulk
>order" (and associated price discounts that it brings).
>
>If we do have several interested parties, we could
>discuss features of the trailers and find a builder.
>
>If not, I may design my own and engineer in
>multi-purpose elements. Ralph Petersen, one of the
>West Coast sales reps is building his own, I will check
>with him about details but I think he is going with an
>enclosed set-up.
>
>Dean Wiegand
>Sacramento CA USA
>dwiegand@surewest.net
>kit A259
>www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
>Behalf Of Kevin
>Klinefelter
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
><kevann@gte.net>
>
>Or several could be made here, probably for a lot less
>than $3500 each. I am
>in need also, Tom
>Kevin Klinefelter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
>Behalf Of tom
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Trailers
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom"
><beecho@fix.net>
>
>Does anyone have plans for either a monowheel trailer
>or a triwheel trailer
>that they are willing to share? It seems silly to ship
>a trailer part way
>around the world to the Western Colonies when one can
>be custom made here.
>
>Thank you
>Tom Friedland
>beecho@fix.net
>
>
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>any other
>=================
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>members.
>=================
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--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
....its in the making, watch the space!!
Karim.
# 420
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| Subject: | Main gear installation sequence |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I asked the factory about this and was advised that it was OK to install the
main gear before bonding the top on. I set everything up with the top
clecoed in place then removed it to do the layups. I agree that it is one
of the messiest jobs on the entire build.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly
in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I
noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation
takes
place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a
reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be
much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for
where all the work takes place.
Comments?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
Roger can you supply some pictures of the spar socket, wing-tip trolley and
other items?
Dean,
I'm afraid I can't oblige with any pictures as none of the ones I have
show the details which you are interested in, and I don't have a digital
camera (yet!).
The only suggestion I would have (and was already thinking of using) for
the wing cradle straps, is some real sheepskin covers for the straps (like a
Morgan +4 bonnet stay) to provide cushion and buffing action if jostled
slightly.
If they work on a Morgan bonnet they should be O.K. for the wings, but
anything which retains moisture or fine grit should be avoided. I shall be
interested to hear how satisfactory they are in use.
Kind regards,
Roger.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
One thing I forgot to mention was that it is well worth having the steel
bits galvanised. I took my trailer apart and had this done for about 70.00
GBP
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| Subject: | Reply configuration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
Can someone please tell me how to configure my computer such that when I press
'Reply' rather than 'Reply All' it goes to the sender rather than the forum, and
I get the sender's address added to my address book so that I can contact them
again?
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| Subject: | Re: Reply configuration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Roger Anderson wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>Can someone please tell me how to configure my computer such that when I press
'Reply' rather than 'Reply All' it goes to the sender rather than the forum,
and I get the sender's address added to my address book so that I can contact
them again?
>
You have to tell us what mail-program you are using....if it is Netscape
6.x you can click on the sender's name in the heading and get options to
add to address book, reply to sender and copy address...
Alex, kit 529
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| Subject: | Reply configuration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
...and in Outlook 2000, it's Tools, Options, Preferences, E-mail Options,
and then put a check mark at the bottom of the dialog box next to
"Automatically put people I reply to in" and select (using the Browse button
if necessary) "Contacts." Whew! It takes less time to do than to describe.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alexander P. de
C. Kaarsberg
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reply configuration
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg"
<kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Roger Anderson wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson"
<Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>Can someone please tell me how to configure my computer such that when I
press 'Reply' rather than 'Reply All' it goes to the sender rather than the
forum, and I get the sender's address added to my address book so that I can
contact them again?
>
You have to tell us what mail-program you are using....if it is Netscape
6.x you can click on the sender's name in the heading and get options to
add to address book, reply to sender and copy address...
Alex, kit 529
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear installation sequence |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Hi John,
Here at Flight Crafters we have installed quite a number of tri gear legs
with all of them before the tops are bonded on. We do not put the tops on
until everthing and I mean everything including a flange for the baggage
bulkhead plus all antennas and counter balance flanges. We do not crawl
into the back of this thing. For some of us would need a crane to pull us
out if we get in there. The front side of the baggage bulkhead can be
reached for taping.
Bob Berube A166 (Conventional Gear)
Flight Crafters
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Greetings all,
>
> I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday,
particularly
> in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I
> noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation
takes
> place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a
> reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would
be
> much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues
for
> where all the work takes place.
>
> Comments?
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Last year during the Sun n Fun Show many of you took the time to come by the Flight
Crafters Facility to attend our first Open House. We were delighted with
the turn out and are planning to do the same this year. We wanted to wait till
Europa Lakeland set the Builder Dinner date so we would not have a conflict.
Since their dinner is on Friday the 4th, we will have our barbecue on
Thursday April 3rd between 4 and 8pm.
Flight Crafters Open House
April 3, 2003 4 to 8pm
Open to Europa Builders and Enthusiasts
Burgers, brats, hot dogs and refreshments
Visit with fellow builders in an environment of over 15 Europas in various stages
of construction
If you could respond to bberube@tampabay.rr.com or call Flight Crafters at 813
655-6411 with the number in your party, it would help us to be sure we have enough
food and refreshments for everyone.
Directions to follow.
Regards,
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Last year during the Sun n Fun Show many of you took the time to come by the Flight
Crafters Facility to attend our first Open House. We were delighted with
the turn out and are planning to do the same this year. We wanted to wait till
Europa Lakeland set the Builder Dinner date so we would not have a conflict.
Since their dinner is on Friday the 4th, we will have our barbecue on
Thursday April 3rd between 4 and 8pm.
Flight Crafters Open House
April 3, 2003 4 to 8pm
Open to Europa Builders and Enthusiasts
Burgers, brats, hot dogs and refreshments
Visit with fellow builders in an environment of over 15 Europas in various stages
of construction
If you could respond to bberube@tampabay.rr.com or call Flight Crafters at 813
655-6411 with the number in your party, it would help us to be sure we have enough
food and refreshments for everyone.
Directions to follow.
Regards,
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" <reddog@gbis.com>
Kevin,
Yep, I agree, it looks like a glider trailer for us too.
Ralph
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
>Hey Ralph, Are you gonna park your long wing thing at home? Do you figure an
>enclosed trailer is what you need, or would an open design work for you? The
>long wings are gonna start flying soon and I am curious what their builders
>are planning. The first, Dave Andersons, has a big hanger that it looks very
>happy in. I will not have that as an option. Long wings won't fit in most
>garages, so a glider trailer design will probably be popular. That will not
>be cheap.
>Kevin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.K. Hallett III
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" <reddog@gbis.com>
>
>Kevin,
>
>A long way off, but me too.
>
>Ralph
>
>Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>>
>>Dean, I am talking Mono-wheel and am thinking of copying the Europa design.
>>Those who have used one for a while may have some suggestions for design
>>improvements. I would be happy with the simple, open trailer. I would like
>>to borrow one for a week or so and get a design on paper. I have a friend
>>who is a welder/fabricator.
>>I am surprised that Europa FL doesn't make them. Seems like it would be
>>more cost effective than building them in GB and shipping. There should be
>>
>>
>a
>
>
>>few to be sold over here.
>>Kevin
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dean Wiegand
>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
>>
>>Are the trailer being discussed for mono- or tri-gear?
>>
>>If for mono, I would certainly participate in the "bulk
>>order" (and associated price discounts that it brings).
>>
>>If we do have several interested parties, we could
>>discuss features of the trailers and find a builder.
>>
>>If not, I may design my own and engineer in
>>multi-purpose elements. Ralph Petersen, one of the
>>West Coast sales reps is building his own, I will check
>>with him about details but I think he is going with an
>>enclosed set-up.
>>
>>Dean Wiegand
>>Sacramento CA USA
>>dwiegand@surewest.net
>>kit A259
>>www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
>>Behalf Of Kevin
>>Klinefelter
>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers
>>
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
>><kevann@gte.net>
>>
>>Or several could be made here, probably for a lot less
>>than $3500 each. I am
>>in need also, Tom
>>Kevin Klinefelter
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
>>Behalf Of tom
>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Europa-List: Trailers
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom"
>><beecho@fix.net>
>>
>>Does anyone have plans for either a monowheel trailer
>>or a triwheel trailer
>>that they are willing to share? It seems silly to ship
>>a trailer part way
>>around the world to the Western Colonies when one can
>>be custom made here.
>>
>>Thank you
>>Tom Friedland
>>beecho@fix.net
>>
>>
>>=================
>>Contributions
>>any other
>>=================
>>messages.
>>members.
>>=================
>>http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm
>>http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list
>>Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list
>>http://www.matronics.com/europa-list
>>=================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | air brake push rod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" <reddog@gbis.com>
Kevin, et al,
Were in the manual are the directions for making up the small air brake
push rod? Trying to make sure I've got enough clearance at bell crank.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: air brake push rod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
reddog@gbis.com writes:
> Kevin, et al,
> Were in the manual are the directions for making up the small air brake
> push rod? Trying to make sure I've got enough clearance at bell crank.
>
>
I never got anything written on this subject. I have to use common sense
judgment which was 50% successful. I made one too long and had to shorten it.
Dave
A227 mini U2 - 5.2 hours
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| Subject: | Re: intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?= <standa.svec@volny.cz>
Rob,
please, do you have some contact to Dennis Vories? His ideas are very very interesting
and I would like to ask him for more details.
Thanks very much
Stanislav, #438
Svec Stanislav
E-mail: standa.svec@volny.cz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: intercoolers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> See Item 4 in the "Europa Enhancements" document posted by Dennis Vories at
> http://www.europa-usa.com/enhancements.htm (but note the double asterisk
> which refers to the second paragraph in the "Introduction" at the top of the
> page).
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> A070
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: intercoolers
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi all;
>
> I'm in need of an intercooler for my turbo 914. Any suggestions out there?
> Thanks
>
> Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "J R \(Bob\) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Paul
And there will be people all over the world in their respective countries
interested in evaluating the plans to their own ends..............
JR (Bob) Gowing, Kit 327 in Oz
JR (Bob) Gowing, 24 High St, BEGA NSW 2550
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possible2do@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: trailers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi all;
>
> This weekend I'll be going to look at a mono wheel trailer with a welder
friend of mine. Once the parts list is completed he'll be able to come up
with pricing. I expect him to start building the trailer next week.
>
> If anyone is interested and wants a price email me off line and I'll hook
you up- by the way... I'm not going to make a dime off this... just helping
a low priced, unemployed welder get some work and of course get an
inexpensive trailer for me and others that want one. Trailers will be built
in the San Fernando Valley... suburb of Los Angeles.
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